Clueless guy asks: What shape/size table for this EIK space?
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Comments (11)In my opinion, a kitchen renovation, whether modest or extravagant, is a big deal -- a bigger deal for large scope projects, and a lesser big deal for facelifts. Big deals require big planning, planning requires research, and research requires commitment of time. Either you have to perform the research, or you have to pay someone else to do it, and accept the result as perhaps not optimal. So, I suggest spending a few months snacking on the posts in this and the kitchen forum, following up leads at manufacturer's web sites, and asking questions here that you don't find answered. These may be questions that you wouldn't have thought of without the research. We have here a vast cornucopia of information in the current posts and in the searchable past posts. (Searching is easier using Google than this site's search engine; just plug in the web address on the advanced page to tailor the search to here.) For example, searching on hood, vent, blower, duct, etc. will bring up many ventilation posts. Once the pieces are sufficiently defined, the whole can be evaluated and tweaked to make everything fit, achieve one's aesthetic ends, and promote efficient operation in the kitchen. I started my research here in August 2007, and now I'm about 95% done (maybe 99% excluding the make-up air system). In my case, the project extended to basement, attic, LR, and hall, so it was a bigger big deal for me. I believe my result would be significantly inferior if I hadn't used this site as a place from which to begin and continue research. (Formal thank yous will be provided with photos in the fullness of time.) kas...See MoreClueless non-cook would appreciate help with kitchen planning
Comments (7)Thank you everyone for replying! WaltAvatar, Glad you liked the captioned dual-photos! I created them by setting up a table in Microsoft Word, with two rows and two columns, without a border. I used the upper row for the captions and inserted the photos in the lower row. Then I took a screenshot using Snagit. Let me know if you would like more detailed directions. Thank you very much for the image of the dog feeding station! Right now she pushes her bowl around the floor. (I have to feed the cats in the powder/mud room because the dog will eat their food before they can.) Keeping fresh water available is a problem and your photo gave me an idea - maybe I could use the leftover refrigerator/icemaker tap for a pet water station? Hmmmm... Regarding the cooktop ventilation - yes, I have learned about downdraft ventilation issues from reading here, and I understand that I will need a hood at least 3" bigger on each side than the cooktop. It's just not drawn in the plans. Regarding the lazy susan - Good idea. I would prefer larger drawers for flatware, towels, and such, and using a cabinet door under the bar for rarely-used items would be fine. Regarding a prep sink on the long island type counter space: I agree, that would be desirable, but would require jackhammering the slab to run new plumbing, so that is out of the budget. Benjisbride, Yes, you are right, the kitchen faces the front yard. I originally had a small 3x5 foot dining table where the computer/sewing desk and file cabinets are now, and since I wound up never using it for dining but as a desk, I removed the leaves and it is now my breakfast table. Desertsteph, I never thought about the refrigerator between the windows. There is of course 110V on that wall and running the icemaker line should not be a problem. The only issue I have with the refrigerator there is, admittedly, one of aesthetics and not functionality - I was thrilled with how that massive stainless box "disappeared" when it went into the pantry space. I didn't realize how much I disliked having that hulking mass in the room! On the other hand, putting the cooktop in the pantry alcove would let the range hood "disappear", and it would be more functional because it would be against a wall. Regarding family size - "more kids? spouse? how many working in kitchen? anyone cook?" No kids and I'm in my late 50's, so none will be coming. No spouse (divorced). No entertaining - my spread is about 45 minutes from the nearest city, so having people over is a once- or twice-a-year occasion. So it is just me in the kitchen. I eat a lot of salads, simple steamed vegetables (broccoli, cauliflower, that type of thing); roast a turkey breast occasionally, boil shrimp, make a stew, and fix scrambled eggs. I make pecan pies at Thanksgiving....See MoreCan I save? New and clueless! Help please
Comments (41)It is looking better! And I understand removing the peninsula. What concerns me is the loss of and lack of counter space (having lived with very little counter before my remodel). May I suggest a few ideas: 1) add a cabinet at the room end of the sink run, that extends out into the family room and then wraps around the wall toward the door. You could use a 24"w wall cabinet turned sideways at the end then continue down the wall with a few more to make a serving space for an eating area by the sliders; or 2) get a small mobile island/cart that you can park by the sink run but pull to convenient spots while prepping/putting away groceries/cooking and 3) consider building a narrow cabinet (with a pullout) for that sliver of space by the stove -- I know some hold such narrow cabinets in disdain, but even a small bit of counter next to the stove will be helpful and can be useful storage (I have a 9" one). Or shelving at the least with a counter top....See MoreWhat do you guys think of these two floor plans?
Comments (22)You don't think 18x20' is big enough for family room? We like to gather in the family room and that's where we spend most of our time together as a family. Are there any wasted space that you see? Yes lots of wasted space and the room sizes are not what they seem. Here in the first plan, I drew in red the walkways to get to other rooms or to get to a door to get outside, or to a closet. These need to be a minimum of 3' and 42" is better. 3' is tight feeling. Notice how much of the house is taken up with walkways? So for example. The living room which says it's 16' x 22' really isn't. The 22' is really only 15'-16' deep because of pathways. However the width is even worse. First you have the fireplace wall which takes up 1'6" right there. Ideally behind a seating area at a counter you need 5' of walking space between the counter and for example your sofa. So now the 16' width has been reduced to 9'6". (16' - 5' - 1'6" = 9'6") Even if you skimp and make the area behind the island 4', that still only leaves you with a living room width to put furniture of 10'6". Considering a sofa or large chair is 3' deep, that now leaves you with a space that is only 6'6" from the fireplace or again if skimping on the space between island and sofa 7'6". Similarly, the nook which says it's 10' x 8' isn't. You'll lose 3' because of the door to the porch so the 8' is now only 5'. However the loss because of the pathway to the game room is even worse. It's not a loss of 3' like someone above suggested. It's almost double because those are double doors. Assuming those double doors are 5' wide, then the space for the nook is only 5' x 5'. A very small table is 3' x 3' so where is the seating room? The second layout is a bit better, but still nothing wonderful. The living room will not be 20' wide but will be 17' wide. Still not shabby though. However the 18' width again you need 5' between seating and island countertops so now your width is down to 13' wide. Plus you will have the problem of how to lay out furniture with a corner fireplace. Corner fireplaces are a bear to lay out furniture in. And again with the nook. the nook will not be 10' but 7' wide and the length will not be 12' but 9' wide. 7' x 9' is doable for a small table and chairs. Also as others have said, even if the houses are oriented north/south, they will still be dark on the interiors. Light can only penetrate so far. One thing you haven't told us is how big is your property. These two plans are meant for suburban lots and not if you have acreage. If you're building on acreage, look for plans that are long and lean. Or, I, T, or H shaped Add to that a U or L shaped plan too....See MorePatricia Colwell Consulting
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