Newly planted roses...
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Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
5 years agoDarren, you have some really good ones
I have Lady of Shallot and Olivia and love them both
I cant wait to see your new babies
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Cutting rose buds from newly planted roses?
Comments (8)Pinching off the buds seems to matter more for those of us in cold zones, since we need more than anything to have a strong root system established before winter. Second to that is a strong cane or two, and blooms are not necessary in the first year except to establish that you have the right rose. People in warmer zones don't necessarily have to pinch off buds since they have a much longer growing season and a less harsh winter, unless they want to pinch buds to build strength to survive the hot periods. In zone 6, it will help your roses build strong roots if you pinch off the buds, but for stronger cultivars well suited to your zone it may not matter as much. Basically my philosophy has become to pinch off buds of anything that looks weak or is less than knee high with several branches, even if it's a year or two old. I can stand to do that because I have a lot of roses. Once the rose wants to bloom faster than I can pinch off the blooms (like Southern Peach or most of the Easy Elegance roses this year), I don't bother pinching and figure it's already strong enough. Bottom line is it's not necessary but it can make a difference in relatively marginal or small roses in your climate. Cynthia...See MoreNewly Planted Roses Look Sick. Any advice?
Comments (5)Your roses look to be about 1/2 dead at this time. The watering for container roses is insufficient for newly planted bare roots. If the containers have good drainage, you should be watering them about 2-3 times a week. You say you used a 2:1 mix of potting soil and perlite. Potting soil should be planting mix and less of the perlite, if any. Roses need a sandy loam growing environment. Potting mix is for houseplants, not garden plants. Cut off the dead ends of the bushes with sharp bypass shears to 1/4 inch about the new growth or a burgundy bud-eye. The cane damage is canker dieback and is often found on bare roots that are stressed for water. The ceramic containers are about the right size, I think. They should be about 24" x 24" by 30" deep for a large rose to grow to mature size in two years. Rose bushes are frost-tolerant; immature rose leaves and blooms are not. Remove any damaged leafsets. If possible the roses need to be in rising sun until about 12N in the summer then can be shaded from the afternoon sun. Roses need at least 4-6 hours of early sun in order to thrive. Too much sun and they'll bake in the container. Too little sun and they'll have twiggy growth without much bloom. Hope this information helps, Jeannie Cochell, Master Rosarian, Phoenix Rose Society...See MoreWhy did all the leaves fall off 1 of 2 of my newly planted rose bush
Comments (25)Yeah that sounds like a good idea Sheila...I never thought of something like that? How do those work exactly? And Seil I didn't plant in cardboard as in 'packaging the Rose came in' I mean I had moving style boxes I broke down and then I wet them down really good to put under mulch along the slope to deter weeds. I made sure to leave about 5" or so around each plant bare with a little mulch. I did however leave the soil on it when I planted, I didn't try to make bareroot? You think that could've caused it? I just want to know how to save these ...also it rained last night...not sure how hard because it ended at least an hour or two before I woke up so when I stuck finger in soil down so deep that I had no finger left! It felt pretty moist all the way down...but idk how much rain feel so idk if that could happen from the rain we just had overnight? And today has been overcast with next to no sun all day..so sun wasn't out to dry it out....See MoreHow do I establish newly planted roses?
Comments (6)I was hoping that someone from Florida would answer, because I live in a hot, dry zone and yours is humid. I water twice a week during summer, because of drought water restrictions. But we are allowed to water more to establish a new plant, so when I see signs of wilting, I water newly established plants more. Summer is very difficult on young plants, so I try to plant in the fall, so they can gain some growth of their root systems and foliage before facing summer. Someone once told me a trick about watering: Water a plant thoroughly and then count the days until you see signs of wilting and water again. If the plant wilted at day five, then water at day four next time. The problem with this is that variations in weather, i.e. wind, heat, etc. can change watering needs. When I first started out, I bought a watering probe. It was very useful at the time. Now I hardly need to use it. Best wishes for your roses and garden :-)...See More
Karen R. (9B SF Bay Area)
5 years agoDarren - I only grow PAOK from your list (with Olivia on the way). She is fabulous, with unusually large blooms for DA, and a lovely fragrance. I believe the photo on the bottom was after an evening of overhead watering, thus the heavy nodding blooms.
Darren Harwood thanked Karen R. (9B SF Bay Area)Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
5 years ago
Rose Lai (9b)
5 years agoI just planted 3 own root Lady of Shallott in front of my house early this year. They were among the last roses to start blooming (of all the new roses I planted this year). I was worry at the beginning but then read somewhere in this Forum that LOS does not like impacted, alkaline clay soil, which is what I have. So I gave them some soluble gysum to loosen up the soil. Low and behold they started blooming in late May. I won't say they are the most floriferous roses for this year but they did bloom consistently ever since. I am looking forward to next year. Hopefully it will do better. In the UK where most soil is acidic, I will expect it will do really well. Here are some of my LOS from this year.
LOS with my salvia mystic purple
LOS with catmint walker low. Well they don't look like those gorgeous LOS on David Austin's website!
Here in California LOS grows fast: mine get to 5 - 6 feet with some octopus arms. It is not as compact as Lady Emma Hamilton.
I love my baby Princess Alex of Kent also. All of my visitors commented on the huge size of the bloom and the fragrance. It has a very casual growth habit and not compact. Mine also grew some long but strong branches and flowered a lot already during its first year; got to about 4 - 5 feet tall this year (it is own root not grafted). I am pruning it hard this winter.
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Tiffandrew-So.CA/9b
5 years agoGreat list Darren! I can't wait to see how they bloom for you, I'm sure they will be gorgeous! I only have LOS from your list!
Great pictures posted! Kristine, your Olivia rose looks so beautiful! Krista, I love the color of your Princess Anne rose. And Rose, I'm inspired by the salvia you planted with your LOS! I'm tempted to add more to my LOS bed. They are mixed with a weeping santa Rosa plum tree and some Shasta daisies. Next spring I need to take a better pic of the tree in bloom!
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5 years agoKristine LeGault 8a pnw
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5 years agoRose Lai (9b)
5 years agoHi Tiffany, love your LOS. Look forward to seeing your pictures next spring when the Santa Rosa plum tree is in bloom! The purple salvia I had in the picture above is Salvia mystic spires (sorry I misspelled it). Here is another picture:
It goes well with orange or yellow roses.
I am also planning to plant these magenta salvia called Salvia Wendy's Wish in case you are interested:
I also just put in an order to David Austin to get the new Vanessa Bell (light yellow) and Dame Judi Dench (apricot/orange). I believe they start taking bareroot orders in the US yesterday.
Tiffandrew-So.CA/9b
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5 years agoKristine LeGault 8a pnw
5 years agoTiff, the salvia that I bought from high country nursery is the burgundy seduction. I bought 3 of them and they were little twigs and in a month they had taken off and by the end of summer they had taken over so give them Room because they do really spread but non stop blooming. I have another one that I bought locally I'm not sure of the name it also bloomed non stop it's weird that the hot lips which is also a greggi did not Bloom non stop.
This is a different salvia, cant remember the nameI moved it because it was taking over Memorial day.
Tiff, I love your plan for Desdamona. I have 3 coming . I have great plans for mine too.
Ken Wilkinson
5 years agoDarren---The only one I grow on your list is LoS. I had PAoK but it ended up with a bad case of "human foot in the middle of the bush" and didn't survive. Peace couldn't handle my winters.
LoS should become a rather large bush as each year pass'
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