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Not ruling out 2020

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Zalco/bring back Sophie!

Beto!

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sunflower_petal(5a)

His government experience to date (for anyone curious like I was because I could not remember) - and look it says he's a businessman so that qualifies him for Trump supporters!

Robert Francis "Beto" O'Rourke; born September 26, 1972) is an American politician and businessman serving as the U.S. Representative for the 16th congressional district of Texas since 2013. In 2018, O'Rourke was the nominee of the Democratic Party in a U.S. Senate race, running against Republican incumbent Ted Cruz. O'Rourke was defeated by Cruz by 2.6 percentage points on November 6, 2018.


A native of El Paso, Texas, he was elected to the House of Representatives in 2012 by defeating incumbent Democratic U.S. Representative Silvestre Reyes in the Democratic primary that year. The district includes most of El Paso County. Prior to his election to Congress, O'Rourke was on the El Paso City Council from June 2005 to June 2011.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beto_O%27Rourke

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Annie Deighnaugh

Sam Bee had a correspondent in TX who asked a cruz supporter why she wasn't voting for beto...it was because he's really irish and that name is just trying to make him appeal to latinos: See Minute 1:30.

Someone else here made that same argument about beto...i'm thinking it must've been a fox news meme...

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sunflower_petal(5a)

So, a nickname that he's had since childhood was all planned to make him appeal to Latinos when he ran for public office?

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Joaniepoanie

That's exactly what one rw poster here ranted on and on about.

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Zalco/bring back Sophie!

People who think like that are never going to vote for a Democrat anyway. Not worth considering crazy people. Their vote is not in play.

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ann_t

At least the little repubs won't be able to criticize him for not having any political experience.

Although at least one idiot keeps referring to President Obama as a community organizer, totally ignoring the fact that he was a State Senator for 7 years.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

"So, a nickname that he's had since childhood was all planned to make him appeal to Latinos when he ran for public office?"

Well, why not. You've heard of stage mothers pushing their kids on stage to achieve fame and fortune.

So why can't we have political mothers doing the same for their children? After all, that was how we got the wonderful Obama as our president. His mom giving birth to little Barack in Kenya had the foresight to make sure that they would immediately rush back to Hawaii and put an announcement in the paper--so that he could be declared a citizen of the USA and run for president some 40 years later.

Those political moms start manipulating names and birth places the minute they find out they are pregnant. Marvelous moms--Democratic moms are especially good at that! So why not Beto's mom also?

Kate

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GOD

I think Beto would might make a good VP, but too inexperienced for Prez. We need someone who won't be run over by the right and who understands how to play politics to get things done.

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ann_t

Come on GOD, Since when did experience matter to Americans? Oh wait, it only doesn't matter to republicans. At least in Beto you have seven years as a State Senator. Seven years more experience than Dementia don.

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GOD

Tis true, most americans need to like or adore or "want to have a beer" with their candidate.

I don't get that. I want someone who can and does move the agenda I want forward.

We seem to want celebrities.

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Rita / Bring Back Sophie 4 Real

We have a reality tv star for a president. I don't think there is any question of what the most important credentials for this office are. I will look at candidates through one lens only- can they beat Trump. Nothing else will matter- I don't think I have to worry about a Dem coming close to being as bad a choice as Trump- inexperience coupled with intelligence and any degree of integrity will suffice for me. As for qualifications, aside from personality to beat the dangerous occupant of the WH, little will matter.

As an aside, most anyone could have beat Trump. The Dems chose the one person who could not make Trump look like the idiot grifter that he is. But once you have a personality like Trump's in the WH with all the benefits of incumbency no less- now you really have a problem, He is a very strange bully- not the kind of person most people in politics are used to dealing with. You need a tony Soprano kind of mentality to go toe-to-toe with this guy- and I don't think Dems have that kind of "talent" on tap. So the next best choice will be a Hollywood worth, good looking, charming guy who will present a positive vision of morning in America.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Oh please. You couldn't get anyone, male or female, more experienced and knowledgable about being president than hillary who saw it from the inside for 8 years and then was a senator and secretary of state, former first lady of arkansas and yale grad and lawyer. Look where it got her.

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Rita / Bring Back Sophie 4 Real

I was not arguing HRC's ability to govern. The question was HRC's ability to win a national election.


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GOD

HRC , 40 years of smears, and it still took gerrymandering, voter suppression and the russians to beat her in the EC, while she handily won the popular vote.

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Rita / Bring Back Sophie 4 Real

I will point out HRC was more qualified to be president than Obama as well, yet she could not beat him in a primary. And let's not make that about her magnanimously stepping aside in favor of a black man.

As for why HRC has a hard time with national elections, that is immaterial to me. I was in DC working in government in '93. I saw first hand how before Bill Clinton set foot into the WH people were out to get him- and by extension, if not even more so HRC. None of that will helps win an election, aside from as a cautionary tale.

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GOD

Yes, Democrats : new and shiny over experienced.. and democrat buy into almost all the rubbish the gop tell us about women candidates.

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Stan Areted


AnnieDeighnaugh

Oh please. You couldn't get anyone, male or female, more experienced and knowledgable about being president than hillary who saw it from the inside for 8 years and then was a senator and secretary of state, former first lady of arkansas and yale grad and lawyer. Look where it got her.


Hillary got herself exactly where she belonged, all by herself--at the BOTTOM OF THE HEAP.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Hillary at the bottom of the heap while Mueller keeps rolling along uncovering the filth and stink of Team Trump.

Seems premature to me assigning Ms Clinton such a lowly position while Collusion, Perjury, and Money Laundering, Inc. -- Grifter Division are still being brought to law.

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With the recent revelations, all the deep state carp, and lies about a renegade FBI goes straight to Hades.

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Becca Reese

So, he lied when he said he wouldn't be running in 2020 no matter the outcome of his election. All that ham-fisted garbage he wrote about being home and being a father, instead of being away campaigning, was just swill for he adoring fans.

What an auspicious start! Pandering and telling people what he thinks they want to hear so they'll vote for him.

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dandyfopp

LOL

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cattyles

SPUTTER COUGH LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! Stop, stop I can't catch my breath!

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cattyles

I like our new Facty person! Welcome, Factotem.

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Olychick

Oh, yes, hiding behind the name “O’Rourke” trying to deny his Irish roots!

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cattyles

Beto’s mom was certainly diabolical. Look at his little Beto sweater.


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josephene_gw

Cute kids.


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josephene_gw

Becca, Becca, Becca

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redsox_gw

the most hated, but powerful man in the Senate will attract the attention of the party.

Lily, I think that honor is relegated to MM.

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redsox_gw

Hey, thanks. Not really new though; I was on about 91 threads back in 2016

Are you sure it wasn't just 90?

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elvis

Beto Beto Beto Beto

Bob Bob Bob Bob!

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Stan Areted

"the actresses' "only qualifications seem to be their phenomenally large breasts and tight buttocks.""--Beto

DUI and leaving the scene of an accident but not really, right?

By all means, run "Beto."

This will be enjoyable.

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mrskjun(9)

Run Beto run. He spent 80 million dollars trying to beat one of the most unpopular senators in Washington who spent 34 million...and lost.

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redsox_gw

Well, 90 is about 91, so I don't really understand the question.

I was kidding about how you would know it was exactly 91, not 90 or 92. In any case, Texas isn't representative of most of the US, Mrs. Actually, it is the only red state that is self supporting. So in that way it is unique.

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mrskjun(9)

Beto is a socialist. Is that where the left wants to go?

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chase_gw

Beto is no more a socialist than I am.

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josephene_gw

Kjun better than being called a racist.

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josephene_gw

Chase that’s just name calling when they have nothing to say.

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Stan Areted

Guess the definition of socialist is different for some of us.

Let's just say "master redistributor with no accountability of the recipients."

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redsox_gw

Did Obama redistribute the wealth? Because your party predicted (relentlessly) that he would. Obama was a "socialist" too, remember? I didn't receive any of this redistribution.

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elvis

Yup, how2. Sorta like "Raphael" = "Ted". Hispanic to white, white to Hispanic. Same game. Fair enough.

Bob Bob Bob!

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sunflower_petal(5a)

" He spent 80 million dollars trying to beat one of the most unpopular senators in Washington who spent 34 million...and lost. "

I have to agree with mrskjun here, very disconcerting.

ETA: and who did that 80 million dollars get redistributed to? Businesses! LOL.

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Stan Areted

redsox__gw

Did Obama redistribute the wealth? Because your party predicted (relentlessly) that he would. Obama was a "socialist" too, remember? I didn't receive any of this redistribution.

Only four years into his presidency, welfare dispersements of food stamps (now SNAP to encourage more people to sign up and eliminate stigma) and disability checks increased significantly. Obama encouraged applications for welfare with programs to sign up more people, awarding Oregan for processing welfare applications quickly with a 5 MILLION DOLLAR bonus paid for by taxpayers. Yes, Obama wanted everyone in Oregon to sign up for welfare checks that he could--by September 2011 one out of five Oregonians had their groceries paid for by taxpayers. Guess that blows the "red states get all the welfare" taunts and blue states are self sufficient, eh?

I'd call that redistribution.

Food stamps increased 70% from 2007 to 2012 according to the Congressional Budget Office.

https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2012/04/welfare-at-all-time-high-under-obama/

That little elf BO went right to work, taking advantage of a crisis and getting people accustomed to socialism.

Thank GOD FOR DONALD TRUMP showing people what it's like to be self sufficient and now they can believe that they can get a job and care for themselves and their families without being dependent on the government.

Of course there are those that like that setup and they'll never change.

We have generations of those, what a shame a loss of potential.

BTW, I'm not a Republican. I've been a registered Independent for going on two decades.

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chase_gw

".Food stamps increased 70% from 2007 to 2012 according to the Congressional Budget Office."

.......and we' ll just ignore the fact that there was a huge recession during that time with record job losses.

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Stan Areted

Oh, good job, knew that was coming.

What do you think I meant when I said that little elf BO went right to work, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF A CRISIS and getting people used to socialism? Guess he didn't want to see anymore families like The Waltons. Just Democrat voters.

It's one thing to help people that are in dire straits, an entirely different thing to create programs to go out and talk people INTO SIGNING UP FOR WELFARE and I've seen it--tables set up with signs to do just that in my own community during Obama years. The more the better, and then sending 5 MILLION yes 5 MILLION dollars as a bonus to the state of Oregon for "good job for signing up so many people."

Give me a break. He and FDR.

And let's not forget LBJ and remember his words about having people voting "Democratic" the next 200 years after signing legislation for The Great Society.

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sunflower_petal(5a)

" TAKING ADVANTAGE OF A CRISIS and getting people used to socialism? "

Guess he should have let them starve.

Of course people should SIGN UP for help if it's going to last for a while. Or did you think they they could just pick up a bag of food at the food bank and magically be all better after they lost their job?

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mrskjun(9)

Uh oh..stock up on toilet paper and fatten up your dogs and cats!

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purrmich _6

Yeah, the things people say :((

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mrskjun(9)

Really? Take a trip to Venezuela. The family pets are long gone. I doubt many zoo animals are left. Socialism at it's best.

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Stan Areted

Mrskjun, have you heard about what is happening in hospitals in Venezuela?

Attacks on doctors, robberies, frustration with no money, no antibiotics, no drugs, etc.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-health-idUSKCN1NY2P5

Yep--thanks to socialists Alexandria and Bernie and Beto, this is what we'll have to look forward to.

But they're soooo cool, don't you know?


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purrmich _6

People like that are losing their minds because they believe the most ridiculous, unfounded things.

You might want to stay more in tune with reality. It'll help with the bumpy road ahead.

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cattyles

Some need to get a firmer grip on reality. You’re sounding hysterical.

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how2girl

Extreme is the new black

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josephene_gw

Elvis

who is bob bob bob bob?

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marquest(PA zone 6)

Time to bring this back from the third page to first page. He has met with Obama to discuss running and advice.


I like the idea. He could bring out the young voters like Obama.


Ok RWs I raise the young against your old white men. What do you think.

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mrskjun(9)

I like it. He couldn't beat the most hated man in the senate, maybe he can win over 30 democrat contenders.

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azmom2018

mrsk,

You should know it takes a while to clean up sewage, it took Arizona years to get rid of Trumpsters favorite A*hole Joe Arpaio... this year Arizona elected a woman Dems senator, and turning the State to Blue.


Texas, next.

White House, 2020.

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redsox_gw

Guess that blows the "red states get all the welfare" taunts and blue states are self sufficient, eh?

Not in the least. Look at Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee and other red states. There are numbers and facts. Every year. They pay out more in entitlements than they take in. I guess the red state folks are just not self sufficient. Wonder why tiny Massachusetts has to support their lazy rears.

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mrskjun(9)

I like it. He couldn't beat the most hated man in the senate, maybe he can win over 30 democrat contenders.

Maybe Dems will have a guac-off, where they see who can drive with his or her head in a bowl of guacamole and not get in an accident. Then, if in an accident, see who leaves the scene.

Winner take all!

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sunflower_petal(5a)

Deja vu.


mrskjun

Run Beto run. He spent 80 million dollars trying to beat one of the most unpopular senators in Washington who spent 34 million...and lost.


November 29, 2018

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chase_gw

"I like it. He couldn't beat the most hated man in the senate"

Cruz is hated in the Senate by the Senators but he is not hatred by the right wingers in Texas. It's remarkable Beto came as close as be did in a State that went to Trump by double digits

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redsox_gw

^ I always say Cruz is proof that eventually your insides come on the outside.

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Ann

Like mrskjun, I like it too.

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josephene_gw

Marq,

agree this should be on the front page.

need to read about the Beto/ Obama meeting.

Two good looking men.

Two intelligent good looking men.

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josephene_gw

Azmom, NM got rid of some sewage this year too.

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marquest(PA zone 6)

The Mid-term was a good start. It is like cleaning out a hoarders property. Americans started cleaning out the useless items incumbents, Repubs that have been there past their Sale By Date. It happened just like Hoarder clean up it cannot be done in one sweep. You get the top and move your way to the bottom......that will be tRump and the other bottom trash.

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jillinnj

Cruz is hated in the Senate by the Senators but he is not hatred by the right wingers in Texas. It's remarkable Beto came as close as be did in a State that went to Trump by double digits

This is the conclusion one comes to when using logic.

When not using logic, the conclusion is he can't win the Presidency because he couldn't win in a red state.

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marquest(PA zone 6)

I am ready to find out who decides to run. I like a few and Beto is right up there with my favorites.

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Carl F Remodeling

Beto is just another flash in the pan just like that spanish kid from NYC who somehow became a congressman despite knowing nothing about politics or national affairs. This is starting to become a joke.

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sunflower_petal(5a)

Welcome, another new alias!

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how2girl

These people will be disappointed then...



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josephene_gw

Carl, welcome.

BETO 2020

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arthurpym

somehow became a congressman despite knowing nothing about politics or national affairs. This is starting to become a joke.

And now we have a president who fits that same bill.

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marquest(PA zone 6)

Carl F Remodeling

Beto is just another flash in the pan just like that spanish kid from NYC who somehow became a congressman despite knowing nothing about politics or national affairs. This is starting to become a joke.

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Welcome Carl. I do find it amusing that that German old man with no experience in govt but he had great experience at being an incompetent businessman with lots of experience in bankruptcy managed to get elected. So I think the good young Irish boy will do just fine.

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gyr_falcon(Sunset 23)

BETO 2028 He'll have to make a very persuasive case for me to be on board for 2020. But then they ALL will.

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marquest(PA zone 6)

gyr I agree I need to see what my other top contenders have to say but first glance and what seems to be the trend it appears to get elected is not what they say but how they can gain attention.

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josephene_gw

tRump should have been a flash in the pan but he stayed too long and has burnt the US almost to a crisp.

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mrskjun(9)

Yeah boy josephene. Just look what he's done to the economy. Maybe a democrat can fix that.

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josephene_gw

Kjun, what will happen to your SS when

the bills come due.

you can live on credit just so long.

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Ann

Josephene, SS? I'm guessing, if the next president is a Dem, he or she will want to not only implement the 30 trillion Medicare for all, but also start giving SS to those age 20 and up. Oh, I forgot "free" college for all. The only problem, taxes for all but the unemployed might be around 99%. But, the unemployed and everyone who walks across the border (there will be a welcome sign with arrows directing them to the easiest path), will get free everything, so it's all good. Working Americans will be super happy with the tax rate. What could possibly go wrong with that plan?

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josephene_gw

Ann, your opinion or source?

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ann_t

"Beto is just another flash in the pan just like that spanish kid from NYC who somehow became a congressman despite knowing nothing about politics or national affairs. This is starting to become a joke."

Who is Carl and does he have any idea just how ridiculous this statement is in light of who your president is?

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josephene_gw

Ann,kjun

tRump= tax breaks and more money for the already rich, crumbs for the workers.

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josephene_gw

How is your retirement today?

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Ann

My retirement is fine, but that darn market turned around today just when I thought the day might provide a buying opportunity. How's yours?

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Stan Areted

josephene_gw

Kjun, what will happen to your SS when

the bills come due.

you can live on credit just so long.

Wow.

Did it occur to you that there are people that have provided for their own retirements and are not dependent on "credit" or even social security for retirement?

Apparently not, or the question would not have been asked.



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how2girl

Boom ^^^

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Linda(8)

That dang recession fear keeps coming back. Some people these days are so jumpy.

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josephene_gw

Stan, did it ever occur to you that a person who pays into SS should expect to get a check when they retire? Obviously not.

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josephene_gw

Stan you seem to have disdain for anyone who gets a SS check.

when you retire let’s hope you don’t cash your SS check and don’t sign up for Medicare.

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Campanula UK Z8

Isn't it amazing - in (most) of Europe, we have healthcare for all, free education, sound welfare rights which has given us an unparalleled history of arts, science, architecture, literature, medicine. The US, in the past 30 years, has produced...erm...businessmen...who dragged the world into recession only 10 years ago. Oh yeah...and social media spy platforms. Good job!

Course, the sorry UK, attempting to emulate the US project of 'screw you, I've got mine' is already seeing the inevitable results of failing to invest in education and housing...but we still have a long way to go before the voting public has become as irrefutably ignorant, lacking in even basic logic and reason, as the US.

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josephene_gw

BETO, a caring man.


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josephene_gw

BETO is not sitting Home Alone.

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josephene_gw

If trump is lonely why not visit troops in war zones. Fraidy cat?

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Ann

Released by ICE to do what and go where? Just disappear along with the millions of others who did the same.

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josephene_gw

Ann that’s a good question. Most of those folks want a job, want to have a better life and safety from predators.

Many are saying there are infilled jobs.

so let them work.

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Ziemia(6a)

Released by ICE - why? Answers exist. But here's a summary. Obtained through reading.

Many have successfully filed asylum applications. Because of the insufficient number of judges (refusal by GOP House to provide the needed funding), once the application is accepted they are given a date to appear. (The process often involves some investigating and that takes time.) Legally, they are now documented.

ICE previously helped them contact relatives to assist in getting them to a place to live and find a job. (They are now here with proper documents.) Now they just point them to bus stations but maybe that's been cut out - and just let them out the door.

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"Despite acknowledging that they “dropped the ball” by releasing more than 200 asylum seekers onto the streets of El Paso without money or means of transportation—or without warning local officials—Immigrations and Customs Enforcement officials said they plan to release hundreds more over Christmas, U.S. Representative Beto O’Rourke told Texas MonthlyMonday. The move over the holiday has local government officials and nonprofit leaders scrambling to house and feed the unexpected onslaught of immigrants.

The move is the latest salvo by the Trump administration on the immigration front, coming as the federal government is experiencing a partial shutdown of services over an impasse on whether money should be allocated to build a border wall just blocks from where the asylum seekers in El Paso were released. Witnesses believed the move was especially insensitive coming just before Christmas and sparking chaos among volunteers and city officials intent on trying to prevent immigrants from having to sleep on the streets.

O’Rourke and other leaders said ICE reneged on a promise in October not to make large, unannounced releases of migrants into the community, and instead work with nonprofits and governments to place them in shelters through an orderly process. That commitment came after ICE dropped off about 100 migrants without noticeat the Greyhound station near downtown El Paso. An ICE spokeswoman didn’t respond to a request for comment, likely because she was furloughed because of the partial government shutdown triggered by a fight between congressional Democrats and President Trump over $5 billion in funding for a border wall. O’Rourke said there was no indication that the release of the migrants without notice was tied to the shutdown.

“ICE admitted that they dropped the ball, that they made a mistake yesterday by not giving the community any kind of heads-up on releasing 214 migrants at the Greyhound bus station last night and early this morning,” O’Rourke said. “They said that they would give us a heads-up going forward although they promised to do that before.” O’Rourke spoke at a fire station across the street from the Greyhound station, where migrant families were taken to be fed.

O’Rourke said that in addition to more than 200 people released Sunday and an expected 200 on Monday, another 200 people are expected to be released on Christmas Day and a similar number the day after. His successor in Congress, Representative-elect Veronica Escobar, said the plan is to place them in hotel rooms across the city, with the cost being borne by Annunciation House, a nonprofit that has cared for migrants in El Paso for four decades.

“And that means depleting Annunciation House of its financial resources. And we’re only talking about the shelter at that point. We’re not even talking about the need for more volunteers and more food, more supplies, etcetera. So this is just a terrible crisis, during the most difficult time to get volunteers,” said Escobar, who takes office January 3. She and other El Paso leaders are urging people to donate to Annunciation Houseand are trying to rally community volunteers to feed the migrant families.

Federal immigration agencies for decades have had an agreement with Annunciation House to release migrants to its temporary care. ICE takes custody of people apprehended by Border Patrol for illegally crossing the border, but has limited capacity for holding people long-term, especially families. Migrants generally stay at an Annunciation House shelter for a day or two while arranging transportation to join families elsewhere in the United States while their asylum and deportation cases are heard in courts. Such releases are usually carefully planned, but that didn’t happen Sunday night.

ICE buses suddenly began dropping off migrant families at El Paso’s Greyhound station at about 7 p.m. Sunday. A small group of El Pasoans began responding with food and water. My wife and I brought 50 pounds of oranges and a big box of granola bars; others brought pizza. People bringing in food were quickly swarmed by families.

Many of the migrants had no idea where they were. “El Paso, Tejas,” Greyhound employees and volunteers told them. Many asked to borrow phones so they could call relatives to begin the process of getting bus tickets to be with family elsewhere in the United States.

The decision by ICE to drop the families at a private business necessitated a response by a large number of El Paso police officers, who were redeployed from other areas to provide security and help find shelter. Five El Paso Sun Metro buses came to the scene, prepared to take the families to shelter once it became available. County Judge Ruben Vogt came to the Greyhound station to coordinate emergency response. O’Rourke and Escobar worked the phones to find shelter for the families.

Eventually, Annunciation House rented additional motel rooms and found space at a Catholic school for about 150 people. Greyhound allowed another 50 or so with early morning bus tickets to stay overnight. City buses, escorted by police, took the migrants to their temporary homes between midnight and 1 a.m. Annunciation House had taken in another 200 migrants earlier in the day, filling up all of the agency’s more than 1,500 available beds. Annunciation House director Ruben Garcia said fewer bus seats are available over the holidays, so migrants are staying longer in temporary shelters, taxing his organization’s capacity.

Since October, ICE has been releasing 200 or more migrants a day to Annunciation House while the migrants work with their families to get a bus or plane ticket to join them elsewhere in the United States. The released migrants—mostly from Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador—generally have been found by asylum officers to have a credible fear of persecution if returned to their home countries, which allows them to begin the challenging legal process of seeking asylum in the United States.

Although media and political focus has been on the Tijuana-San Diego area because of the so-called migrant caravans, the bulk of Central American migrants crossing the border are doing so in two Texas Border Patrol sectors—the Rio Grande Valley in South Texas, and El Paso in West Texas and all of New Mexico. More than 48,000members of what the government calls “family units” were apprehended at the Southwest border in October and November, the largest monthly numbers for such apprehensions on record. More than 34,000 of those apprehensions were in the Rio Grande Valley and El Paso sectors. Although family apprehensions are at record highs, overall apprehensions are a fraction of what they were a decade ago.

Escobar said ICE has found ways in the past to handle surges of migrant families to ensure their safe and orderly processing. In the last major surge in 2016, ICE set up a temporary processing centerin the El Paso County town of Tornillo—the current site of a tent facility for migrant children—to process asylum claims and handle an orderly release to Annunciation House.

“There’s absolutely no reason why those temporary holding facilities cannot be set up once again, no reason,” Escobar said. “The blueprint exists and frankly the money obviously exists because the Tornillo child prison seems to get a blank check. So there’s money there. I don’t understand why federal law enforcement has failed to use this solution that worked so well in 2016.”


https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/hundreds-asylum-seekers-released-el-paso-streets-christmas/






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Linda

SHAME on ICE! Believe me, there are Texans with good hearts who would have been happy to welcome these poor people! I'm glad they got to leave that horrendous place, but really...with no warning whatsoever, WTH??? Just like the Individual #1, promises made mean nothing to ICE. ONE simple phone call, text, or any kind of message, but nothing! Hey, could any city be prepared to host hundreds of visitors without resources over the holidays without any warning? They just dumped them unexpectedly like TRASH? I'm so ashamed that this could happen in the USA! I hope that this country can come together to provide some kind of Christmas miracle so that these people can have places to stay, good food and, if necessary, medical care. These people are NOT our enemies. Most are just victims of violence. If you believe in that, think what Jesus would do! If not...well, some of the best people I know aren't in the KoolAid crowd. Most people have hearts and care. More people are coming and they're having a hard time coming up with places for the ones already dumped to go. Expensive options like hotels and motels are possibilities, but they still need food, clothes and other necessities. Some have family in the US, but travel at this time is too problematic. This federal government can't get their act together...I think it's imploding from all the lies, corruption and incompetence! Is anybody really in charge of this pure unadulterated chaos? I think not!

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dockside_gw
  1. IMO, ICE is this country's Gestapo. Not that they kill anyone (yet) but that they appear to think that they don't have to follow any rules of human decency nor the law if it interferes with their "mission" of making life as miserable as possible for those who they feel don't belong here.
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catticusmockingbird

Linda, it's been like this since day one. It just gets progressively worse. There is no one capable in charge.

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Linda

And another child died in custody. In this case the hospital should also be investigated. If the child had really had just a common cold, antibiotics, which are not used for cold viruses, are inappropriate. Sounds like patient dumping. Doesn't the gov pay the bill for these children? The hospital should have kept the child until they were sure the child was okay. Those detention facilities do not give any medical care at all. Another child was on antibiotics when they admitted the family, but they wouldn't let the child take the antibiotics.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/8-year-old-guatemalan-migrant-dies-in-border-patrol-custody/ar-BBRqGwG

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jillinnj

Said by MrsK back on Dec 10th -

Yeah boy josephene. Just look what he's done to the economy. Maybe a democrat can fix that.

You are correct. It will take a Democrat to fix it. Again.

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josephene_gw

Shame on ICE and shame on trump.

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josephene_gw

Anyone watch Madam Secretary

sunday night?

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jillinnj

Everything this government does has become an embarrassment. The lack of humanity is appalling.

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Linda

The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that someone higher up planned all this...the sudden, unannounced release of those in detention camp in El Paso, the shutdown...all coming near Christmas holidays (to make it worse).. El Paso tends to be Democratic and is home territory of Beto O'Rourke. It smells of revenge and spite, some very mean and unbalanced person or persons.

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josephene_gw

Just hope this backfired and puts BETO

in the spotlight.

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Linda

I'm glad the Tornillo facility is being shut down...really, it should never have been opened in the first place. Those kids should be taken care of by people who care about them, not a government contractor facility with government rules that make it almost impossible for children to stay warm enough, to be well-nourished, etc. They don't even get bathed there, apparently, because the nonprofit shelters that take people released from the government facilities keep saying the detainees need a bath really bad when taken into the other nonprofit places.

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elvis

Jeepers, the meaning of that name in the urban dictionary is rather surprising to me.

And makes the OP title pretty humorous...

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Ann

Yes, I agree it is interesting.

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cattyles

Actually interesting? Or only interesting to snarky, simpering Trump apologists?

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chase_gw

How about a little B&B.....on the rocks in 2020

Biden & Beto


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catticusmockingbird

Don't want Warren or Sanders. I'm thinking Biden & Beto might be a possibility.

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writersblock(9b/10a)

I'd be giddy with joy if I were a trumper and the dems ran that ticket. Biden has 0 popular appeal and nobody comes out to vote for the VP. Good way to ensure second-term trump.

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catticusmockingbird

Maybe you don't think he has appeal, but that's not what early polls are saying.

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Lily316

My daughter and I were discussing this at Panera tonight. I said the same thing to her. Biden and Beto. I'd make a bet. I don't particularly want that ticket. I think Biden is too old. He could have handily beaten tRump...anyone but Hillary could have. I do NOT want Sanders to have any part of this. Old news. I don't want Warren either. Daughter wants a woman and we both like Kamala Harris. But Beto has to be on the ticket in some capacity. He's our next Barack.

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Ann

Cattyles, no snark involved. I found the article very interesting.

Writersblock, I completely agree that a VP isn't a draw. It's the person at the top of the ticket that gets votes (or not). A terrible VP choice might be a bit of a detriment to the presidential candidate, but otherwise, I agree, "nobody comes out to vote for the VP".

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elvis

I hear Angelina Jolie may run in 2020.

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Ann

Elvis, I also saw a headline today about her and politics but I didn't bother to click into the article.

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writersblock(9b/10a)

Catticus, yeah, but so far the polls I've seen have asked which you'd prefer of the geriatric options. He is too old now, as are Warren and Sanders. I don't think any of the three could get enough people to the polls now, although I agree with Lily that any would have been a better choice than Hillary last time. But that isn't now.


Ann, yes, I think the choice of Sarah Palin really hurt McCain in his presidential run.

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Ann

Yes, she (Palin) was an odd pick but I don't think he could have won regardless of who he picked. I've kind of felt like (and commented about several times) Biden in 2020 is kind of like the McCain pick. I never felt McCain had enough of any "it" factor that shows up in most of our various presidents. Most of the winners each have a different "it" factor, but most have one. I think that might be lacking in Biden. He's a nice old guy, but that about sums it up.

I most definitely think Bernie had the 2016 "it" factor, but that's history. I don't think he'd win in 2020.

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elvis

McCain was too creepy for me, Ann.

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Ann

Me too Elvis. I never thought he had a chance and my hopes fell when he became the nominee.

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how2girl

O’Rourke/Biden (VP) - solid

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

In 2008 the fault was not with McCain but with Bush-Cheney who poisoned the Republican brand. A disastrous war in Iraq, and the beginning of the Great Recession and the possible -- very possible -- collapse of our financial system. No Republican candidate could have overcome that fear and negativity.

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Ann

how2girl, I don't think Biden would have any interest in being Beto's VP, but that's just a guess. Actually, not just Beto, but I don't think he'd have interest in being anyone's VP.

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elvis

The "always a bridesmaid, never the bride" thing must get old.

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Stan Areted

The "always a bridesmaid, never the bride" thing must get old.

Uncle Joe, Uncle Joe, with the Democrats' likely field, you never know.

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cattyles

I guess y’all are running Trump? Two thumbs up!

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how2girl

Keeping the dream alive

Tell it Beto...(click on link for audio)

https://twitter.com/betoorourke/status/1082865168047054849?s=21



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josephene_gw

BETO is on the road soon.

Hope he comes my way.

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josephene_gw

Does everyone know it’s the prison companies running the borders?

Is there really a DHS on our border?

the prison companies are ‘taking’ care of those children?

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Linda

At Tornillo, it was a San Antonio company that normally does disaster shelters. (for hurricanes, floods, etc.) that signed up to run the shelter on that military base. So it wasn't a prison company. But then again, Tornillo was intended for children only. One of the problems with Tornillo was that since it was on a military base, it wasn't subject to the same rules, inspections and oversight as other Texas shelters. BTW, matters that relate to immigration along the border can get pretty confusing because of all the overlapping federal, state and local agencies involved. And overlapping laws and rules, also. I just recently found some info on what can happen inside the hundred mile zone inside US borders and how the rights of even citizens can be disregarded quite often in that zone by authorities looking for immigrants.

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mtnrdredux_gw

I've got my sign ready. Do I think there are better candidates? Yes, frankly, but I do love Beto and he has that certain "je ne sais quoi" that true leaders possess. He is inspirational. I also like his youth.

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socks(10a)

Right, he has charisma, youth, enthusiasm, a fresh face in a couple of ways.

Obama/Kennedy-esque.

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josephene_gw

BETO


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hericles

I like Beto but the Democrats have several candidates that IMO, profile better as Presidential nominees. If he had won his recent election and served for a couple of years, perhaps he would have improved his stock.

Having said that, I have no problem with Beto throwing his hat into the ring.


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mtnrdredux_gw

Palin totally hurt McCain. Before he picked her, I thought we were so lucky to have two great choices (I was less progressive back then and considered voting for McCain early on). When he picked Palin, tho, I was aghast.

Steve Schmidt takes the blame for that, and tho i love him now, I agree that it was a cynical, even unpatriotic choice, and that it ushered in Hair Trump. Schmidt was teary on national TV when T won. Guilt.

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Lily316

Harris/Beto. ...or Biden /Beto.

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mtnrdredux_gw

Lily, id like Biden Beto myself but I'm not sure Biden gets out the vote.

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