Volunteer baby pine tree in my flower bed

6 years ago

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So my neighbor across the street who is a plant hoarder, found a few baby tree pines coming up on her yard, she gave me one about 7" in height, so I put it in a pot in the sun, last year she showed them to me and they were only a couple of inches tall... this year, the only one she had in full sun triple in size leaving the other ones in the shade to be smaller, so I figure full sun is good... right? later this week, I found one in my own yard... I am pretty happy about that and will leave that one alone since it gets decent amount of sun where it is.... I don't really know what kind they are... I have walked around my neighborhood looking for mature pine trees to see if maybe the birds brought mine from close by but I have not seen any yet... Do you guys have this often at your place?

This is the one my neighbor gave me >

And this is the one in my yard >

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Embothrium

6 years ago

You know what you really see just about everywhere now is that darned ape that walks upright. Those really take over, and there are so many of them!

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peren.all Zone 5a Ontario Canada
6 years ago
That looks more like a Juniper seedling to me.
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cecily 7A
6 years ago
Those are cedars (juniperous virginiana probably) not pines. I yank lots of them each season.
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Hi Tina, IÂm glad to make some recommendations for deer resistant (whatÂs on my list at least) shade plants if thatÂs what you really need, but aspen trees donÂt usually make that much shadeÂand IÂm not familiar with Mediterranean plum treesÂso watch the area for a couple days and get an idea of how much sun it actually gets. How many hours and what time of day. Most of the plants on NancyÂs thread are for, or at least can take with enough water, sun. The foxglove, Digitalis, is really basically a shade plant that can take sun with enough water. Even in the shade it needs regular watering. But it would be one to consider. Let me know about your direct sun, and IÂll come up with a couple other possibilities. Perennial geraniums (cranesbill) are also shade plants that can take a fair amount of sun with water. Let me know about your light. One thing I might mention is that youÂll probably need to water anything you plant right around the trees more than you would stuff planted further away. The trees will be drawing a lot of water out of the soil, so youÂll need to keep replacing it. Just keep an eye on the area after you plant (as if you wouldnÂt!), and youÂll learn pretty quickly how often it needs to be watered. Also, donÂt spend any time at all worrying about your tree! (IÂm assuming theyÂve been in for at least a couple years) Your husband is right! They have so many roots underground that you probably wouldnÂt believe it if you could see it. The few youÂre digging into on the surface arenÂt going to affect the trees at all. Ever since I moved into this house 3 years ago IÂve been cutting cottonwood roots out every time I plant somethingÂwhich is a lotÂand some of the roots have been so big I couldnÂt even cut them with the limb lopperÂI had to actually saw them to get them outÂand it has absolutely no effect whatsoever on the trees. Like Cnetter says, just donÂt pile the soil up high around the trunk. So relax and enjoy your flower planting! Your trees will be fine! Skybird P.S. Nice job on your project too, Dafy. IsnÂt it fun to stand and look at something like that after youÂve finished it? Makes all the hard work worth it! Here is a link that might be useful: Favorite hardy geraniums
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
6 years ago
agree with J . viginiana ...... they are a bird sown nightmare in my garden ...

they are cute little blue things.. until they turn into ugly trees in the future ...

they are nearly within the definition of invasive in some areas ... lining miles and miles of roadside in my MI ...

and yet they are native.. and the basis of the cedar post and woodchip industry down south.. aka cedar chips ... if i am not mistaken ....

ken

look around for something like this:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=juniperous+virginiana&t=ffcm&ia=images&iax=images
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drdeb1234
6 years ago
Before you decide whether to nurture this cute itty bitty little tree, I would try very hard to see what a fully grown one looks like.
In my experience most of these evergreens are attractive additions to a garden...when they’re small. But 10 or 20 years down the line, they are massive and kind of oppressive as they obliterate all the sight lines, and cast heavy shade everywhere.
Lovely in the forest. In my gardens, not so much.
dbarron
6 years ago
And eastern red cedar is not friendly with other plants...just so you know.
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KennsWoods
6 years ago
Lots of redcedar haters on this forum...
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6 years ago
We have them here, but they don't seem to be the problem that they are in other parts of the country. Too many other trees seem to out compete them.

You see them along the railroad track right of way and a few wooded areas but never seem to be a problem of taking over cow pastures like they do in some parts.

I never seem to find small seedlings like you pictured anywhere either.
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Smivies (Ontario - 5b)
6 years ago
last modified: 6 years ago
True...a lot of haters.

It is a great native pioneer species that is also fairly shade intolerant and completely fire intolerant so in a 'normal' or 'natural' ecological situation, it doesn't linger long before yielding to other species, regardless of the site (xeric or mesic).

As for the allelopathic (chemical growth inhibitors) effect...the literature I'm reading indicates that there isn't one. The reduced biomass and biodiversity in stands of Eastern Red Cedar is a result of competition for resources (moisture, light, nutrients, etc.).

Thanks to anthropogenic fire suppression and lack of any effort to replicate fire processes through other means, Eastern Red Cedar is doing quite well in its pioneer species niche.
dbarron
6 years ago
Yes, I suppose we must blame our species lack of fire tolerance for the proliferation.
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Roxana *** ZN 5 Indianapolis IN ***
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6 years ago
lol awesome, I love how some of these can just take a turn, now I feel threatened by this little thing, I am going to keep it anyways, once it wants to take over my small lot I will find someone to gifted to that has some acreage :)
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Paul Deceglie
4 years ago
Virginia Master Gardener here. I tend to shy away from the manicured look in favor of a more natural and diverse looking landscape. Back in Virginia, I nurtured these kinds of seedlings for 40 years. The vast majority have been eastern red cedar. If you know what they grow up to be, then by all means nurture them and transplant them to a suitable location, which would be full sun, well drained, and lots of room to spread. I nurtured one in a pot for a few seasons, then transplanted it to it's final location where it still stands today (20 feet or so tall) and is part of a diverse visual screen for my corner property in Virginia. Did the same with a few others that I donated to the local community pool for a visual screen. Again, they still stand, and have filled out nicely. I've done the same with American Holly volunteers. Incidentally, hollies are incredibly resilient, and transplant and prune very well. Holly berries are very attractive, and are a great food source for many bird species. I recently moved to Colorado, and have started "saving" cedar and pine seedlings in a similar way. Besides being fun, it's a very economical way to fill in your landscape.
dandy_line (Z3b N Cent Mn)
4 years ago
Look up: Cedar Apple Rust & Cedar Hawthorn Rust. Then decide which you prefer. In some areas of the country there are no Hawthorns anymore because of the destruction from these cedars. And yet they are natives. Without normal fire cycles, there is no longer a control mechanism keeping them in check. And they can have destructive effects on apple orchards many miles away.
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Paul Deceglie
4 years ago
You are quite right. Thanks for pointing that out. One has to consider their local conditions. Back in suburban Virginia the rust diseases are an issue, but it was also incredibly humid, which is a factor in the development of the disease. Here in the arid conditions of the Rocky Mountain Front Range, my existing cedars show no symptoms. My two Hawthorns are very healthy and happy, so I'm sticking to my approach for now. If I ever notice the issue, the cedars go, and the Hawthorns get treated with a fungicide.
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