Have a Happy and Safe 4th of July everyone!

Severe Thunderstorms here today...cool now in the 70's..was very hot early in day...

Hi all!

sorry for the late response, we had a bit of a scare with Jemmy, Monday evening. We had her out in her pool for her swim, and a dog rushed her (we have a lot of unchained/unfenced in dogs in our neighbourhood, most are very well mannered...a few not so much). We were about 15ft away, and scared off the dog, but in her attempt to rush to us, she injured her neck. She was terrified, and hurt, and refused to drink for about 12hrs (I was using a syringe to get water into her). She's doing much better today, but still having some difficulty swallowing. Farm vet said she'd be just fine, but needs to rest and stay hydrated, so that's what we're doing :)

Ann - Nahema is a favourite for me, and Jemmy! She likes Teasing Georgia the most it seems, she begs like a puppy for the petals :) your Yves Piaget is stunning! I've been searching HMF for something similar in colour to Gentle Giant, I wonder if it's hardy? Hmmm, that's one I'm going to have to research!

titan - I will definitely be posting Jemmys eww face, since she's on the mend :) She's stuck in the house until Sunday, so she's a crabby girl right now (Diapers, she hates them.). Teasing Georgia is very much my favoured rose in the garden, which surprises me as I love the pinks. But it's crawling all through my deck posts and just looks so darn pretty!

Deborah - Thank you! They're growing well considering how new they are, especially with this awful heat. Gentle Giant is a gorgeous one, the blooms are 7 inches across right now, and smell heavenly. Very sweet/fruity fragrance that wafts in my yard. It's a favourite for the kids, they love to stick their noses in it! It's a must have! Nahema is so pretty, and it's doing better in the heat than most.

Cori Ann - I am so happy to see Frank & Zeus getting all the love and gentleness they deserve, as well as all the play! They're gorgeous boys! I wish I could get a picture of my two stinkers together, but Loki always puts her paw on Oakley's head and smooshes him. She thinks it's funny. Must be a husky thing. I hope those boys fill your heart up, as much as you are filling up theirs!

Kristine - The boulders look great! I can't wait to see everything all finished, it's going to be beautiful!

Jim - gorgeous pics! The geranium is such a delicate colour, it looks periwinkle on my device! I'll have to google that one as well :) hope the storm takes it easy on your garden! The one we had on Monday flattened my daisies.

another Acropolis shot, it changes colour every day it seems!

Kiss Me Kate (With a 2x4 making its stunning appearance in the background)

Dark Desire, I should've gotten a pic of it in all its glory...but the heat took it out by 1pm.

Folklore, does anyone else have this one? The darn thing is 5ft tall at two months old. Must not know its in a cold zone yet.

Earth Angel, just opening

A fuzzy Maxi Vita, this one blooms non stop

And Nahema in all her glory,

More this evening, when the lighting is better!

hope everyone had a lovely weekend,

Gillian

Poor Jemmy! Hope kitty feels better fast!

Cori Ann - I'm so glad you've adopted the two new dogs! I hope you and your human and furry family are having a fun 4th of July.

Deborah - The Dark Lady is an Austin, seems to grow pretty well. I wish it were more fragrant but it has a lovely form and color. Hope your office clean out is going well!

Gillian - I hope Jemmy is recovering well. It must have been scary seeing your ducky attacked. I have Teasing Georgia too, it's about a year old and I'll always think of it as Jemmy's favorite now when I walk by!

HalloBlondie - thanks for posting those great photos! I love all the colors and textures. My favorites are the delphinium and Wild Blue Yonder which I have too. I hope my year old Jubilee Celebration develops enough to look as good as yours! Your Rainbow Niagara does look like Peach Swirl which just started his first year in the ground.

Jim - I love your photos of the clouds - very dramatic! I hope your roses are doing well despite all the thunderstorms.

Trish - thank you for your kind words about my photos!

Here are some recent photos.

Spiced Coffee, a new rose planted in May, bloomed for the first time this morning. I think this rose is going to show some variety in the colors it presents.

Two photos of Benjamin Britten. It's hard to get the color right, plus as it ages, BB changes from red with an orange undertone to bright orange with golden yellow undertone. It's not everyone's cup of tea but it adds variety to the garden, especially when you have a lot of pink roses like me!

Molineux keeps blooming and has one of the best growth habits IMHO. It's not too tall, has an upright but not stiff character, blooms are at all levels, not too dense. It's one of the few roses I have two of and they are placed in a central spot where it acts as a great focal point with its color variety.

Blue For You is another frequent bloomer adding great color!

Fragrant Cloud and PJPII in the middle of their second flush when other HTs are barely starting to show their new growth for a second flush.

I love the scalloped edges and color of Yves Piaget!

Stars and Stripes, a Ralph Moore mini with fragrance that I got from Burling Leong of Burlington Rose Nursery where Lisa just visited. Burling was Ralph Moore's protege and she's done as exceptional job of keeping his roses going in the commercial market.

Hope the U.S. folks on the forum had a Happy 4th, and for everyone else, hope you had a great Wednesday!

Ann

Thanks for the lovely photos! Jim -- your TStorms look beautiful. I wish I could be in more -- I know it sounds weird, but I love interesting clouds and thunder. We get them very rarely in Santa Barbara. My sister gets upset everytime I wish for thunder -- where she is that could mean dry lightning strikes and fires. I tell her I'm not wishing for fires, just the storm (with rain)!

Svetlana -- your third photo kind of looks like a firework! Very pretty.

Ann - gorgeous! I can't wait for my Yves Piaget to grow up to look like yours!

Hallo Blondie -- love the beach photo. What a cutie! I hope little Jemima Puddle Duck recovers quickly. Poor thing. Your 4th of July rose is so pretty -- and so great you posted today!

Hope you're all well. Today we had company over for BBQ for the 4th. I served a potato salad with potatoes we grew in the garden, applesauce made from apples from the tree, and a key lime pie with limes from our tree. They aren't key limes, Bearrs limes, but still tasty. I love a good graham cracker crust made from fresh graham crackers. Oh -- and my husband did the baby back ribs. I made the dry rub for him yesterday, so they sat overnight with a lot of spice, then the bbq and smoke today, finished in last 30 mins with a lovely sweet & spicy bbq sauce. So yummy. Then walked up hill to neighbors' house to watch the fireworks over the ocean. A very nice day. Only bad thing ? My husband had bragged so much to the friends who came over about "my" garden -- but between me letting the annuals go to seed and only one rose bush actually blooming right now -- I think it was probably a bit of a let-down -- plus, stage one in getting new roof was having all of our solar panels removed yesterday and stacked up on our patio. We put a beach towel over this huge stack -- but not ideal. Oh well. Is anything every ideal? It looks like it is in all of your gardens!!! :-)

Blondie, you have so many gorgeous roses! I especially like your Ebb Tide which is smothered in flowers!

Cori Ann, your lilies are just lovely. Your lawns are so green and professionally cut - at different levels? Looks like a lot of work to me! Those sweet pea seeds will be very viable. Mine have been through our summer heat as well and I have no issues with germination. I am expecting some early sweet pea flowers as early as next week! That is if it's not too cold for the rest of this week...

Ann, I love your PJP II and Molineux.

Everyone has so many goodies!

I have been enjoying some hyacinths blooms lately.

Gillian, if periwinkle is a bluish/purple color than yes...lol....Geranium 'Rozanne is a new plant for me this year...Its growing and blooming good and its still very young yet so hopefully it makes a good plant...

fragrancenutter, very nice hyacinths blooms! My wife loves those but we do not have any here...

Deborah, all that talk about food made me hungry again...lol...No ocean here so I would love to see fireworks over a ocean... Cool!

Ann, wow great photos! You sure grow alot of nice roses Ann!

I enjoy everyones garden pics with roses, plants, shrubs, doggies, kitties, etc. etc...

Yes we have fair amount of blooms that get soggy and damaged Ann but on the grand scale of things I'm ok with it...

HalloBlondie, I found 8 Japanese Beetles so far, not to bad... Other damage from Rose Midge, Thrips, rose slugs has been real mild this year so far so I'm counting my blessings!

HalloBlondie, nice photos of 4th of July rose... :-)

Fragrance! How are you having hyacinth blooms in July!? They're very pretty.

Jim -- here's a photo of the fireworks over the beach for you -- taken from Noozhawk. I avoid the beach at firework time. No crowds from home -- though much further away, of course!

Wow Deborah! Awesome firework photo! We would have to drive to News Jersey (5 hours) or Ocean city Maryland (8 hours) to see fireworks over a ocean...

Today...

I got this idea from seeing Kristine big boulder rocks...lol..I've been thinking and thinking how to hide or dress up our cement slab... Then later today it hit me...like a ton of rocks...LOL

Pics

Wonderful photos Svetlana!

Oooh, Svetlana, nice!

Ok, what is the white and the apricot color on the bottom

Jim, I'm glad that I could inspire you lol we tried to get a big enough rock to hide our heat pump sadly it only is hidden if you look at it straight on . oh well , once the plants grow then things will start to hide

Hi everyone!

Jemmy is feeling much better today, thank goodness! She was well enough to play a game of duck-tag with the kids, which was a lot of fun to watch :)

HalloBlondie - You will love Gentle Giant, it made it through winter well, and is up to about 3ftx3ft in its second year, big blooms, gorgeous wafting scent... Disease resistance is good too! I did have a lot of crispy roses, ebb tide in particular could not take the sun.

It was 44c here today, so they're past crispy and to charred today. Your Carding Mill is beautiful! They all are, I'm glad yours are doing well :)

Ann, oh my! There's too many for me to choose a favourite! But Fragrant Cloud & PJPII are amazing! I can almost smell them from here! My hubby wanted PJPII, but I was hesitant to get it, HTs don't always do well here. I showed him your picture, he added it to my ever growing list haha.

Jim, I hope Rozanne does well for you, it's gorgeous! And I love the Tonka truck with the rocks, brilliant idea!

Fragrancenutter, Hyacinths!!! Oh I love them, I wish they would bloom year round!

Svetlana, the last photo, wow what a huge bloom! They're all beautiful :)

here are a few, Ascot is blooming today, but I forgot to take a picture

Teasing Georgia

Earth Angel

First bloom on Jasmina

Folklore

Baronne Prevost

Delphinium

My stinkers, Loki & Oakley enjoying the cool indoors

Hope everyone is having a relaxing week!

The apricot one might be Morten Korch. The white one i dont know.

Thanks Svetlana

Frangrancenutter the lawn is synthetic... so absolutely no work required. ;-)

Thank you everyone for the nice comments about Zeus the Moose and Frank the Tank! :-)

Ok. Before and after

Looks great Kristine! I'm glad you showed all 3 boulders in your picture. What an improvement with the larger windows and overgrown shrubs gone. Great job!

Oh Jim. You slay me.

Kristine -- I would not recognize this house if I were driving by! Your neighbors must be feeling very inspired by now. Lovely. Can't wait for the photo next spring when all the plants are settled and blooming!

Nice photos, Svetlana. Happy to see puppy is still out and about.

Gillian - how do you like the barronne prevost? I think I mentioned that I almost bought Gentle Giant last year, then got Girls Night Out instead...but GNO only gave me a couple of blooms in spring, but they were not at all like what was going on last summer when I planted her. To be fair, rabbits nibbled her new growth in Feb/March, so it's maybe not her fault, but you'd think she'd recover by now!!!

I've been looking at descriptions of Dee-Lish, and of course I loved the Pichard rose at the DA nurseries...plus thinking of Roald Dahl and Princess Anne and Desdemona. I wish it were bare root season already!

The predicted heatwave and sundowner winds have arrived. The liar weather app on my phone says it's 67 degrees out. NOT! It's about 90 right now. Windy and HOT. Tomorrow it will get over 100. Did I mention we are not built for heat? We have no a/c!!! I might have to go see a movie in the evening. Or hang out at a friend's house with air conditioning! Ugh ugh ugh.

Hope you all are staying cool. Frightening pics of a twister in the middle of the fire in Colorado.

Deborah, the secret of having Hyacinths in July is to grow them in southern Hemisphere!

Gillian, keep the Delphiniums coming! I love them but that's another hard one for hot areas.

Jim, you should try some Hyacinths. They should be easier to grow in your zone than mine!

Thanks Gillian! And wonderful pics! :-)

Wow! Looks great Kristine!

Thank you. It doesn't even look like the same house does it? When we bought it everything was so closed in and overgrown and it's taken all this time just to clear it all out but the neighbors slow down take a look, give a little waive and a thumbs up. It makes me very happy.

The I -5 between California and Oregon was closed yesterday due to a fire. The border towns have been evacuated . And it begins. I hate fire season almost as much as I love growing season.

Deborahah, I feel your pain about the heat and no AC. There is nothing worse than sleeping in the heat.

I wish I could get the Rose's I need now. Next year seems like a long way away. Desdamona, and 3 undecided Rose's for a reworked area.

I see a huge difference in Munstead this year at year 2, lots of blooms.

I see less action from Winchester Cathedral , Savannah and Beverly . There has been a month with no blooms. Buds are formed but still developing. Out of Rosenheim is a blooming champ.

Cori Ann - way to go!!! That's what we did when our two dogs died...we got another one ASAP....some people HAVE to do that (me/you) others need to grieve longer. You have a gorgeous pack of dogs!! I can't wait to see The Tank grow up!!

Gillian - poor Jemmy! She really is suffering from her traumatic event. Poor ducky. At least she has you to take good care of her! Duck tag!!! I love it! And your dogs are adorable...I especially love the smaller guy!! What an adorable face!! :)

Kristine - what a difference!!! HUGE!!! I'm so glad you're almost done!! :) :) Looks awesome!! I love the green door against the blue!!!

Here is Night Owl

Here is a butterfly that my daughter brought me from England. She painted it so it would be cheerful for me. :)

Here's a rooster

An iris

Here's Teddy at 1 1/2 years old.

Here's Zephyr - my neurotic 6 year old poodle.

Oklahoma - new rose this year...has pm.

Chartreuse de Parme - new rose this year

Jubilee Celebration - love its fragrance!!

Carol

Above is Bishop's Castle....it's awash with fragrant flowers...love this rose!!

Below is Olivia Rose Austin - no fragrance...but it has lovely blooms!

Lasting Love....not much fragrance so far....but it always has lots of blooms! This is a new rose this year.

Marigolds and pansies and a little bit of parsley

Flower wheelbarrow - mostly violas

Pansy wheelbarrow

Munstead Wood ... repotted it last year with 5:1:1...it's doing better. Although anything would be an improvement. LOL

Charles Darwin - new rose this year

My new rose pot system thanks to Jim's rhut pruning video. :) My husband has done 2 roses this way...and we'll do another 2 every week when he's home from up north. Something I noticed was that the roses had really anaerobic, stinky soil....we had drilled only tiny holes on the bottom of the pot...so they weren't draining!!!! I think this is the main reason why most of my roses have terrible bushes. So this is what we did for the bottom. I hope there's enough holes now. My husband is an engineer.....that's why everything looks so neat and tidy.

Carol

Fragrance -- what a goober I am! I totally forgot you are not around the corner from me, but down under!

Carol - gorgeous flowers. I love the pansy wheelbarrow! Does your Olivia ever smell nice? Mine smelled gorgeous, but only got the one big flush of blooms this year. She's still young and very stingy. The Chartreuse de Parme is breathtaking. Do you like the overall plant? Love the garden art and puppies!

Kristine -- yes, trying to sleep when the house won't cool off is so trying! One time the heat inside was so bad, but the weather had shifted outside, so it was cooling off, but we couldn't cool the house off. I had an early meeting the next day, so I finally went out, set up our camping tent, and then slept outside so I could actually sleep! I thought about going out to Otto and Sons to get a new rose, but then realized I was being very stupid. This is a terrible time for me to try to buy new roses -- as not only the heat has arrived, but I'll be going out of town for family vacation in Northern Cal soon.

Most of my roses are done for the time being. Between now and October I'll probably get sporadic flushes. I'm letting the annuals die back in hopes of re-seeders, and the roofers will be making a hash of everything, so I thought I'd wait until the new roof is on, the solar panels put back on, and everything is tidied up. THEN I'll try to make the garden look nice again. The winds and heat were so awful last night, and then this morning I had new eyes re fire danger, so ended up doing an hours' worth of pruning before the green waste collection came by. Filled my green can and the neighbor's. The last bunch surprised me -- I had just pruned/pulled out a big branch of poison oak -- in an area that's never had poison oak before. So I came right in and did the Tecnu wash up, 3x, then showered, then more tecnu, then benadryl. Let's hope I don't get another poison oak rash followed by the hives. I do NOT need to go through that again! I still have scars from my May brush clearing! Hubby was called up yesterday to go to Ventura to pass out smoke detectors, move boxes, and generally support Cal Fire in case of a fire in our area. They've never called him out of our area before. He volunteered to be part of the Montecito Emergency volunteer group, but then got certified in some other emergency response thingies, and now is on a list, I guess. But he was there all evening, and didn't get home 'til midnight! How do people do all these volunteer hours and still work? No wonder most of their volunteers are retired!

Hope you all stay cool.

Great pics Carol! Cool wheelbarrow! :-) ...Ahh the doggies.. :-) Hope the holy pots works out...

Poison oak! Had that bad year ago! :-( Nasty stuff!

Jim - yes, I'm really hoping they work out too. :) My husband is drilling holes as we speak. It takes him a long time because he's a perfectionist and the holes have to be exactly the same apart over the whole pot. I can't rush him...I'm just glad he's doing it for me. :) Yes, I just love that wheelbarrow!!! I'm so glad I bought it!!! Yeah, the doggies are cuties...Teddy is the same color as Gracie...he's just bigger with a blockier head.

Deborah - you like the pansy wheelbarrow!!! Thanks! I wasn't sure if I liked the flowers I planted in it this year. :) No, my Olivia never smells nice...but you give me hope!! This is its 2nd year as it was a bareroot last year. Maybe fragrance will come later?? The flowers are gorgeous!! Chartreuse de Parme is a bareroot this year...so I'm not sure...and we have to fix the pot situation before I could judge it. There are some roses I have that laugh at any pot problems...they are just so vigorous that nothing stops them: Night Owl, Zaide, Julia Child, Grand Dame, White Lightning (actually yellow) and Neil Diamond. Thanksk for liking my pictures. :)

Very hot today...supposed to get up to 31C/89F...which is VERY hot for here.

Carol

Carol , I am so impressed with my new Oklahoma. It is going crazy with big delicious blooms. I wish that I had a place to plant it in the ground .

Here is what is beautiful today

Kristine - I only see Gruss. I loooove the colors of your GaA!!!!! That pink frosting is wonderful!!! As to Oklahoma - mine is crappy...I'm thinking it doesn't like the 5:1:1 I put in the pot??? Mine has pm and is small. Darn.

Although, I'm thinking that the 5:1:1 method may be working for some of them. Like I said before Julia Child, White Lightning, etc. can take it amazingly! My hubby just dug up PJPII thinking to put it in a pot with holes (which we did)...it was a new rose we got the end of May and the pot it was in was tiny...barely any roots. However when hubby dug it up...there were roots to the bottom of the pot!!! And I have big pots. I wanted it repotted because it didn't seem to be very vigorous...but we found out that it was just putting energy into its root system. I think the 5:1:1 mixture is easy for the roots to push through and grow. So this may work...I may repot Oklahoma though. :)

Carol

Carol, I would have a hundred GaA. I like it that much.

I love my Oklahoma. It blows pretty fast but maybe because it is a baby

Earth Angel has its first buds since I planted it. I cant wzit to see what it looks like.

Kristine - Wow - that's quite the endorsement for GaA!! I wish I loved my Oklahoma...this is my 2nd attempt with it. Sigh. How are the leaves for you? Do its leaves have pm for you? Go Earth Angel!!!

Carol

Kristine -- I see two photos of Gruss an Aachen - no others.

Oh oh, there are 5 total.

Carol, my Oklahoma is PM free. Early on it had rose slugs. But seems fine now

It is in a pot and Dark Desire has a huge planter box. DD is half the size of Oklahoma

My DD is kind if dorky. It has 4 tall canes each with a bloom right on the tip. It better get with it or Oklahoma may be taking that spot

The sundowner winds are really doing a number on us! Winds still blowing about 65 mph. Temperature inside the house right now (9:30 p.m.) is 89. Outdoors got over 100 today. Not usual for Santa Barbara, and not at this time of year! Literally I can see several plants are just burnt to a crisp. It looks like someone sprayed weed killer on my garden! Most of the rose bushes look good still -- except for the new Queen of Sweden (planted bare root in January), Dark Desire (very new, very young plant planted in March), and Lady of Shalott (new, planted bare root in January). The leaves on these look like they've just shriveled right up. The more established Queen of Sweden looks fine. Most of the Huechera look dead dead dead. I watered everything tonight -- even though it's still 102 and blowing like a gale out there. We'll see how everything looks in the morning.

On the bright side -- tried my first "Summer of Love" tomato -- YUM YUM YUM YUM YUM! Nature's Candy, as my husband likes to say. It's an improvement on the Berkeley Tie-Dye tomato. It is very sweet with just enough acid. And a pretty tomato, too!

Oh Deborah , that sounds horrendous. Those winds sound terrible. I hope this crazy weather goes away soon

I am so sorry about your poor plants.

I'm sorry to read that, too, Deborah. You have such a good attitude about the awful damage done to your garden. And I can't imagine 89F in the house and no AC. We're having hot weather now, and believe me, the AC is running. How do you manage to sleep? Going outside where it's worse is not the answer, either. How long do these winds persist? I hope they end soon--so sorry..... Your tomato, Summer of Love, sounds delish. Is there a Haight Ashbury tomato, too? I grow boring tomatoes, and the deer are chewing on the plants--the blasted varmints are probably addicted to the nicotine in the plants. It would serve them right.

I have kept right up with the thread and enjoyed so much all your news and photos. It's been difficult for me to post about roses this season. The deer have destroyed every flush the poor roses in the back yard beds have produced since about May 15. Last week, they came three days straight, and ate every single bloom and bud off every rose in the back. I was ready to start digging my beloved roses up--seriously. The repellent wasn't working, either. I've just ordered a different one which has great reviews on Amazon--we'll see how that works out. No fence is possible in back, either. I would have to tear up the entire back, and I'm 72--can't do it. There are trees and huge shrubs that would need to be removed. Our back yard ends in an abrupt downhill slope to the gully way down below.....anyway, I apologize for being a fair weather poster on the thread.

Carol, so glad to see your photos of your beautiful roses at last. What patience you have. Each bloom was exquisite, but I have to say Jubilee Celebration and Chartreuse de Parme were favorites if I were forced to decide. You really care for these beauties, and it shows. Do you have three little wheelbarrows? I love the plantings--wish I had one of the wheelbarrows. I had a fancy doll sized metal chair in a flower bed here for years, and tonight, I discovered it's gone. Either the wind (which blows every day in this blasted climate) blew it down the hill, or some kid helped himself to the chair. It was so unique. Sigh. No chair. No roses. Your doggies are adorable. I didn't know poodles had such long legs. Is she part greyhound? (I'm dumb about dogs).

Kristine, it's been such fun learning about your remodel, and finally seeing the actual results, which are amazing. And the plantings will only get better as they grow. Congratulations on a job well done. Gruss an Aachen is so lovely. Looks just like a watercolor. Does she bloom a lot? I've wanted to grow her for quite a while.

I'll continue with some photos in the next post. Diane

Rude roses from the front yard--

Ascot: Out of the way pipsqueak. I'm comin' through.

Ebb Tide: I may be a pipsqueak, but I'm a true purple. Nyah, nyah.

Colette

Our MOTH is doing real good this year! Its ready for another explosion of blooms! MOTH has had no downtime without blooms so far this year so a good thing!

I need to catch up on this thread so I'll comment more later...

Ok my pics and others are disappearing SO I'm going start a NEW SUMMER THREAD.....

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/doggie-days-of-summer-seasonal-thread-part-two-dsvw-vd~5384518

Diane, I'm so glad to see you posting. I am sorry about those darned deer.

I understand the challenges of age and yard work. It isn't easy for sure. But you will ways be famous for your Ascot and Ebb Tide and Twilight zone. You have encouraged so many with your Incredible blooms.

Gruss is new this year and is blooming very regularly. I have 2 and because of the size and color I may get more.

We got the last front yard rose planted last night, Molineaux. I think another delphinium would be nice. We need to cover the whole front with bark. A little bit of trim touch up and DONE.

Kristine - I sure wish my Oklahoma were like yours!! Darn.

Deborah - Sundowner means that the winds come from the west? Anyway, those winds sound horrible and dangerous too! I hope they blow away. Hang in there.

Diane - oh wow...I can't imagine. Horrible deer. :( Could you grow roses in a greenhouse? Could you have a fence (really high) in the middle of your yard where you could have roses? There must be some way to safeguard some of your roses. If you can't build a tall fence...you could use wire that is relatively low - 3 feet. The wire would be staggered with a foot in between. If you want to get someone to help you with this...here's some info

Height, or width, is probably the most important factor with deer fences, especially if high deer pressure. White-tailed deer can jump almost eight feet high, so effective upright fences against them should be this high. Deer may be able to jump high, but not both high and over a distance. So a fence may not be as high, perhaps six feet, but slanted outward. The deer will try walking under the fence and meet resistance. Such a slanted fence should be at a 45-degree angle, and may consist of fencing with a few strands of additional wire on top for extra height.

A variation can be used to convert a shorter upright fence. Merely add additional height to posts, and string more fencing or additional strands of wire between them. If the fence is about five feet high, you also may add additions to the posts parallel to the ground and on the outside of the fence. Add strands of wire between these to achieve the same effect as a slanted fence.

If you have a standard fence about four or five feet high, you can add a similar and additional one about four feet away. While not high, with this width deer usually won’t like to try and clear both and perhaps get caught between or on them.

Out of sight, out of mind, applies to deer with solid wooden fences, or ones with overlapping slats they can't see through. Such privacy fences are quite effective, as deer can't tell what is on the other side. Even if they can smell what is on the other side, and it's attractive to them, they can't be sure that danger isn't lurking there as well.

One less expensive variation on the high fence is to use a commercial heavy-weight deer netting if the deer pressure is low to moderate. These products are quite popular for home gardens as they are easier to work with than wire mesh, are less expensive, and blend into the landscape. Another inexpensive solution is stringing single strands of monofilament twine (such as deep sea fishing twine) between posts, about six inches apart. If deer pressure is really low, you might even get by with a single strand about two feet off the ground. Deer bump into this, are surprised at something they didn't or can't see, so may flee.

Keep in mind deer can't see well (poor depth perception), so many advocate hanging streamers on the lower strands or netting so deer can see them and don't just try running through. Some recommend not putting such ribbon streamers on the top as this tells the deer the fence height. Some have even suggested adding streamers on extensions above the fence, to make deer think it is even taller and so even harder to jump. Some advocate using white streamers to mimic the white tail signal that deer use to warn of danger.

There are many variations of electric fences. You may begin with a single strand, about 30 inches off the ground. Some make this more visible to deer by using bright flagging tape, or conductive polytape. This also helps people avoid these fences by mistake. Make this single strand even more effective and attractive to deer by smearing peanut butter on aluminum foil. One taste won’t kill deer, but it will surely discourage them from returning. Studies have shown, though, that using odor repellents in combination with an electric wire may be more effective than using the peanut butter bait.

Single strands of electric wire may work if low populations, but if more deer pressure you may need to add multiple strands. You may add these in various configurations as for mesh and strand fences, with the electric wires about a foot apart along the post supports. With any electric fence, use them only if children won’t have a chance of getting injured. Some residential areas may even prohibit them, so check local ordinances first.

If you have just an isolated tree or few plants to protect, consider building a cage around them. You may drive stakes into the ground, stretching wire mesh or deer netting between them. Or you can make a portable frame of scrap lumber or PVC pipe, attaching netting to these. If portable, make sure such frames are anchored so deer wont push them over. Make sure such mesh has small openings, or is far enough from the plants, to keep deer from reaching the plants through the mesh.

Rhonda Massingham Hart, in her revised book on Deerproofing Your Yard and Garden, gives many more details on deer fences and installing them, plus some additional tips:
-- As with other controls, it is best to use them before you have a problem. Train deer first, before they find your plants, or even before you plant.
-- Fences must be tight, can't have gaps, and should be checked often. Deer almost always will find the openings.
-- With this last point in mind, installing fences over uneven terrain can be difficult, leaving openings large enough for deer.

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I'm sure you've tried so many things...I just want you to have roses and hope again. And you don't have to have the fence go to the end of the property...just at the flat part or just around a rose section.

My black dog is 100% standard poodle...we just didn't cut his tail. He looks different when his coat is grown out. :)

Jubilee Celebration and Chartreuse de Parme ... thank you for liking them!! Jubilee Celebration has the most fabulous scent!!!! I have 2 large wheelbarrows, 1 small wheelbarrow and the other planter is a small bathtub - about 8 inches long. :) I love my wheelbarrows!! :) Thank you!! Oh bummer about the chair! You just can't catch a break!

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Thanks so much, Carol. Your friendship means a lot to me. I appreciated that you took so much trouble with the deer information.

I guess we have started a new thread, so I'll continue my whinings and rantings on the new one, and re-post my photos there. This is getting tiresome, and seems like we can post fewer and fewer photos with each new thread. Maybe houzz is giving us bigger and bigger hints. Bless its tiny heart. Diane

Awwwww....you mean a lot to me too. And it breaks my heart you're having so much rose problems.

See you on the flip side (other thread)

Carol

Oh Diane. It breaks my heart, too, to hear of your rose troubles. I remember when the deer were the bane of my existence. I think I told you before that one morning I came out just before all the roses were about to bloom -- it was my first year in the house -- and it looked like some horribly nasty neighbor had come through and just cut off all the roses. I was baggled. Oops meant baffled. Maybe baggled too! Anyway -- I wondered if it could have been a traveling band of locusts. I went to the garden center and asked what could have happened, and in one night! They asked if I'd ever seen deer around...and just the evening before as I was brushing my teeth I'd looked out and seen a family of deer in the meadow. I even thought, "wow! if I got a salt lick, would they come around more often?" HA HA HA. All I had to do was plant roses. I tried all the remedies -- from panty hose to human hair to Irish Spring to human pee, mountain lion pee, coyote pee -- nothing worked. I tried weird repellants. Finally -- Liquid Fence deterred them mostly. But one day I was teaching on campus (about a 10 minute walk away from my house, and I stopped, cold. Looking in the window of my classroom -- I'd swear it was the same family of deer. My students were delighted. I was wishing for a shot gun! Anyway -- after the Tea Fire, I think their homes and trails were so disrupted they were gone for a few years, and now there are so many dogs around, I think they just haven't re-established their old patterns. I think I've seen evidence of deer nibbling once in the last five years. Knock on wood! But, as you know, the rabbits, ground squirrels, gophers, moles, raccoons, and skunks are around now. The moles don't bother me too much. Plus, I grew up reading _The Mole Family's Christmas_ and I don't feel right murdering moles. What if it's Delver?? Anyway -- all this to say -- I hear your pain. This year the rabbits nibbled about 2/3 of my roses just as the buds were forming, still tiny. Some bushes bounced right back, but some have not. I tried sprays and blood meal and little fences. I think the combo deterred them a bit, but certainly hasn't solved the problem permanently. And of course the rabbits also got all of my ladybird poppies except one that was in a pot with a fence around it. I still have a little fence around Madame Anisette just in case the rabbits come again. She's still small and vulnerable.

Could you put little deer fences around the roses while they're very tender to keep the deer off the roses until they get one bloom cycle in?

Carol -- the sundowner winds are so named because they usually start up in late afternoon. I think they usually come out of the east? They come sweeping over the mountains, down through the passes and canyons, and out toward the ocean. So they bring all the super hot air from the valleys. We live between two canyons in the foothills, so we just get blasted. You may have seen we had a fire here that started on Friday. I had finally gone to bed, but asked my husband to pray with me that some yahoo didn't start a fire with the high heat, high wind, and low humidity. Then I finally had just gone to bed and my phone rang. My first thought was that it was a reverse 911 call and we had to evacuate. But, it was my friend telling me about the fire that broke out in Goleta (about 10 miles from us?). So I turned on the TV, and saw that it started on Holiday Hill -- the road that my friend's 94 year old mother lives on (and the house my friend grew up in). They would regularly watch my dog when I was traveling out of town, so I feel an emotional attachment to them and their lovely house and garden and little orchard. The fire literally broke out either one house up or one house over from them. Her mother was evacuated via ambulance, and was only given enough time to put on shoes and grab her cell phone. Then they didn't know if her house had made it...finally I learned that her house made it! HOoray! But I think 20 other homes didn't. It was so awful to see yet ANOTHER fire. I guess People can say they don't think humans cause climate change, but no one who lives in California can deny that climate change is *happening* before our very eyes. I read an article last summer that said this will be the new normal for us. While most of the world seems focused on rising sea levels, the bad news for the west is more frequent drought/fire cycles. My uncle was telling me about going to Yosemite in the 1960s and seeing the "fire fall" -- where they'd light a huge bonfire on top of the cliff, and then push it over so people on the valley floor could see the fire fall (at night). the old photos are gorgeous. They would NEVER allow that today!

Dang fires

We have had one since last week on the Oregon /California border. This is the beginning of a long hot , dry fire season.

When we moved to Oregon In the early 70s it was rainy and much cooler. Things have definitely changed

Is that the fire that closed I-5? Are you getting smoke ffrom that?