I know that all of the ALL products have OB's except the ALL for Military which can only be found in Military stores. Believe me I tried buying it directly from ALL several times but they wouldn't sell. As for oxygen bleach....I'm not sure. But Greeny would know.

Ok so now I have to decide expensive Cheer or European Perwol or European Ariel for colors. I wish I could find a lower cost detergent for colors. I do like Grab Green but very expensive and I can only use it on lights and whites.

Best Cheer powder deal at Target. 120 load box $15.99 or something like that. I can never remember the cents. The All Free Clear powder has enzymes. Don't think the liquid does but I might be wrong. I noticed they have the power paks ( All Free) now supposed to be good for whites.

I have also read that the military passes out boxes of Country Save to the guys going overseas.

ALL free and clear liquids and pods that say **with oxi**do have enzymes.

Wonder if the Country Save is OB free...I'll have to check on that.

AFAIK, All F&C definitely has OBs added. Some versions have enzymes, others do not, Not sure what it is "free" of, then, when it has enzymes, but definitely "clear" with no dyes/tints.

My bottle of All F&C "small & mighty" does not have enzymes, def. has OBAs. I've had it a few years, might be discontinued. Best to check with the manufacturer.

That's right Cavimum the Small and Mighty has no enzymes.

Generally speaking when a Laundry product is labled free and clear it means perfumes and dyes not enzymes.

Country Save has no obvs. It's also not great for he machines. It sucked in mine.

https://www.amazon.com/Powder-Laundry-Detergent-Sensitive-Ounces/dp/B00JCJD72S?th=1

$4.45 w/shipping (prime) @ Amazon.

I've used the Blue & White Box before. Both have Enzymes & OB's... but the white box has no dyes or perfumes. Blue has a very light, fresh scent and works wonders, even on whites. White Box did just as great as a job, but I like scented laundry.

Cheer has no OB's... but is scented with Enzymes. $12 for a huge box at my local Target.

Also - No reason to buy expensive "Perwool". All you need is a detergent without enzymes, and for darks, something without OB's.

For Woolens, I personally use a Cheap Bottle of Tide Simply or Purex. All Liquid would work too. Works just as well, and costs so much less.

There's a few of us here that like the Purex(careful some Purex has enzymes) for our wool. Works just fine.

Saw a Tide liquid today that I have never seen before. It's called Tide Heavy Duty.

Sparky, you just made me sit straight up in my seat! Where was this!?

Well, I have used several different enzyme free detergents for wool and each one has been fine. I am fine using liquid for the wool. What I want is a good color detergent and enzymes are not an issue. Most of my colors are cotton or some cotton mix. I have been using Grab Green or Mexican Ariel for my cotton whites and will be glad to continue with those but not for colors. I would like a powder for my colors and that limits me to Cheer or something I don't know about that has zero OB's or oxygen bleach but the power to clean up my tee shirts that seem to act like a magnet for food spills and dirt.

hcbm, Cheer works great as long as your tap cold water isn't freezing. Otherwise I don't feel like it rinses very well. Cheer also does not have a bleach activator so the oxygenated bleach is not very active until 130F.

Liquid Cheer for Dark colors has no enzymes nor OBAs. It is in my arsenal. Miele makes a detergent for darks, nomOBAs but it has enzymes and is pricey....probably because the perfume is nice and not el cheapo.

clorox GreenWorks used to have a F&C version but it is discontinued. No OBAs but it has enzymes. The perfumed version (green bottle) has no OBAs but the scent is cloying to my nose.

Then there’s always Charlie’s Soap. No perfume, OBAs, or enzymes.

I'm ordering Cheer to pick up at Target. I don't have icy cold, but still cold. I use warm to hot for colors. My hot is really at most 110 anyway and occasionally for some strange reason my machine rinses in warm. If I find I am having a problem rinsing I can do a quick wash warm. I really am trying to move to as much powder as possible. I will only have to use liquid for the delicates and darks if I use Cheer and Ariel of Grab Green. I am just concerned that the liquids will shorten the life of my old machine.

Dorey the sodium percarbonate in powdered Cheer isn't there to whiten whites and not enough in it to do the job anyway so no activator is needed. Cheer is formulated for darks so an oxygen bleach would defeat the purpose. Sodium percarbonate will kill so to speak chlorine which is why just a bit is in the Cheer to kill the chlorine in tap water. So even at 130 and above there's just not enough Sodium percarbonate to worry about.

Forgot to add that the last time I checked all the liquid Cheers had OB's and enzymes only the powder being OB free.

Mama, I meant to mention that. The sodium percarbonate is there to help dissolve Cl- in the water to prevent fading. It will still be safe for colors in warm water since there is no bleach activator!

Tide Heavy Duty is at Lowe's.

https://m.lowes.com/pd/Tide-Heavy-Duty-115-fl-oz-Original-HE-Liquid-Laundry-Detergent/1000465709

Sparky Thanks for the heads up on this Tide Heavy duty. I can't find a msds which doesn't surprise me.

I think one of you should make a new thread about this detergent.

I wish we could use Tide.

For some reason, I thought that Persil Sensitive Liquid didn't have any optical brighteners, but I think I'm wrong. Ugh. No wonder our stuff has been looking weird.

Yes Persil sensitive does have OB's. What is looking weird about your clothing Suseyb?

Just lighter. LOL All of my chickadees are home this summer, so I'm able to sort the laundry better.

LOL

I think maybe y'all are the only people that would understand how excited I am to have separate loads of dark pinks and light pinks.

mamap - That cheer for darks that you posted is not the same one I have. I would post a photo of the bottle but I'm too lazy. Gah. In looking at the P&G web site, I think mine has been discontinued. Figures. Maybe it has been repackaged into the Woolite for Darks, although Woolite is not a P&G brand IIRC.

Here is a link to what my current bottle looks like.

EDITED to correct this post —- I don’t have Cheer for Darks. It’s the Woolite for darks. ~~~embarrassed~~~

It was $11.98 at my Lowe's, all that size Tide was. I was thinking 100 oz but could have been 115. I didn't check ounces. Sounds like it might be good if it removes 100 stains.

Cavimum LOL....good because all the Cheer liquids have OB' and enzymes. I was was worried you may have unknowingly been using it on wool.

If it is more powerful than standard Tide, it might be a good buy. My brother is in landscaping and only has two shirts for work. I wash his clothes far too frequently. There is always junk all over them. This formula might just be a bit better. I went to my Lowes first thing this morning, of course. No luck. I will keep you all updated and likely start a new thread.

Dorey I hope you do start a new thread. I think its important to the laundry forum to post threads about new detergents. For us and new folks just stopping by. I really wish I could find a msds.

Greeny your needed.

I don't care for powders. I've been using Ecos liquid for colors. It does just fine. Must speak up for Perwoll for Darks, however. Yes, it is expensive bu it is sudsy and a little goes a long way. It's by far the best for darks out there IMHO.

I have to check the Polish market near me, I think they had Perwoll for darks in powder. It may have been another European brand. I am only considering changing to powders because Dadoes said liquids are not good for the machine. My washer is old and I really don't want to have to get another in the near future.

I'm late to this discussion, but yes, All powder does have oxygen bleach, OBs and enzymes (specifically protease).

If you're looking for a powder detergent that doesn't have OBs, then I'd definitely recommend Cheer powder. It's packed with protease, amylase and lipase and smells fantastic and old-fashioned-y on finished laundry. It has a little bit of oxygen bleach to neutralize chlorine.

I am personally using All Plus F&C liquid from Costco right now and find it cleans pretty much as well as my old favorite Tide F&C liquid. It's actually FANTASTIC on whites (better than Tide). I don't need to use any bleach and my whites are blazingly white. And by whites I mean socks and towels...I don't own a single pair of tighty whities. I like my underwear to be very colorful.

My organic chemistry professor used to work developing detergents. All powder detergents bleach your clothes over time. When the manufacturer boasts that it "brightens your colors".... It's because the colored pigment is slowly washed away. At first the color seems brighter, then it fades. It's like a new black tshirt.... Over time, it fades to a dark gray. Or If you dye your hair.... Your hair color fades in a few weeks

Powdered (crystal) detergents never fully wash out of the clothes. Why?

The physical reaction of a powder (solid) changing forms in a liquid is sped up when you add heat. There is always a residue left in the machine and in the clothes... They smell clean- Don't they?

Washing in cold and with liquids is the best way to clean colored clothes and dyed hair (warm water opens the cuticle and hair color is washed away)

I finally took a trip to the dreaded Walmart and broke my life long boycott and bought the Cheer detergent. I haven't opened it up yet, I am considering returning it and going to Target instead. My political/social activism is at the core of my dislike of both stores and I can't decide which is worse. LOL But I need detergent. I wish our local stores carried powders and more variety than Tide.

I'm not sure if you like Meijer or Fred Meyer, but our local Meijer carries Cheer! I'm not sure if that is in your neck of the woods either! Maybe Amazon? It is worth a shot. Good luck.

greeny, two questions, please: (1) is "All Plus F&C" the actual name of the All product you like, and if so, is it made for Costco exclusively? I can't find it at Meijer. (2) If you did not have to use a free and clear or gentle detergent in your home, which detergent would you use?

Hi Pat! Yes, All Plus F&C is a Costco exclusive product.

If I could buy anything for my home, it would probably be one of the scented Tide formulas. The new variant of Tide original would probably be my first choice.

And, greeny, would that be liquid or powder, please.

Pat, I was thinking Tide liquid as that’s what was just reformulated. I need to try their powder again as I haven’t used them in about 20 years.

Regular ALL powder is fabulous and old-fashioned-y. And so is Cheer powder. Those would be my powder choices.

Have you tried the F&C ALL powder yet? It’s an excellent powder that I find rinses well. It should be available at your local Walmart. I have ALL F&C powder that I use for heavy duty stinky loads like workout clothes.

greeny, thank you again. and again. and again. and . . . . . . .

I had a bunch of coupons for 1$ off ALL so I bought 4 boxes of ALL free which after coupons came to just under 16 $....good deal. I use it on the new puppys bedding.she's crated at night...I line her crate with an old towel which of course she pee's on. I find the ALL free removes all the odor but of course this is after a prewash. I'm impressed with its ability to remove dog urine. I will continue using it for the puppys things.

greeny, I can't believe you prefer the ALL F/C over the Tide F/G. What happened? What did I miss? Did you try Gain for your Mom's things?

Hi Pat, I decided to try Costco's exclusive ALL F&C formula as my MIL has been using it exclusively for several years and she swears by it. They do a lot of laundry in her house (6 adults) and I've been paying attention to their clothes. Everything they wear always looked clean, stains were removed from tablecloths, clothes didn't appear to wear too quickly, etc, etc. I took the plunge and finally bought a bottle which runs for $10.99 on sale every other month or so for a huge 158 load bottle. I've been very impressed with it's performance. It gets my laundry clean, soft and well-rinsed. I'm still on the fence as I haven't tried it yet on everything...Haven't washed my napkins or bedding with it yet but so far it hasn't let me down.

My 96-load bottle of Tide F&G is nearly empty, so I'll be using this ALL liquid for mostly everything soon. I also have Tide Purclean Free which I use on laundry that I don't want OBs and ALL Free powder for heavy duty loads including workout clothes and microfiber cleaning towels.