The Hannity/Kimmel knockdown

CindyMac(8b)

This is class.




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mrskjun(9)

I would like to think it's class, but it's more likely huge blowback.

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CindyMac(8b)


As for Hannity’s response, the Fox News host tweeted that he had just received an alert about the Kimmel tweet while at “a tournament with my daughter. I’ll have a full and comprehensive response tomorrow on Hannity. 9 EST FOX.”


LOL


Like I said on the other thread that went poof ... it's all about ratings for Hannie.


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ann_t

He will have a response by tomorrow? Probably has to check in with Dementia and a few others to help him draft a response.

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marquest(PA zone 6)

Kimmel took a lot of heat from the left because he was one of the few talk shows that would book thump during the campaign.

The health care is where it hit home about trump. It got personal
fast. To him it was no longer funny. He is one that thought about what
would happen to children that did not have his wealth. Caring for
others does not happen much anymore. I have mine let yours die unless it is in a woman's body.

Then the Bat crap crazy turned on him. The attack on Kimmel when he was upset about his baby's
condition. The tweets were horrible from the bat crap crazy right. They were saying they hoped his
baby died. He started fighting back on the right hard.


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chloe203

yes, someone else will have to write a statement for him and then he can read it.

he is dumber than a fence post.

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purrmich _6

Hannity likening Kimmell with Weinstein is despicable. The women who have come forward about Weinstein's sexual attacks were just slapped in the face, again.

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kaych

I don't see class. I see 'crying uncle" because Hannity pounded him & exposed him for the sick pervert he is. (I've never watched Kimmel & after this disgusting glimpse, I most certainly won't) Class at the very least would be an apology to the FLOTUS, Melania, & yet that's obviously missing.

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marquest(PA zone 6)

Mixed messages.........Do not want chained migration?..... No... then send Melania's parents back home. Upset proper English is not spoken by the Hispanic population? Melania has been in the US long enough to pronounce the English language. I remember in school if any student said Dis and Dat the teacher corrected them and that was a long, long time ago.

If the Right have wants it should be universal.

No special exceptions. I am sure you agree.

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foodonastump

Am I the only one that reads sarcasm in the ending?

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purrmich _6

He×× no! Big time kissup obvious sarc.

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lily316

Exactly! Hannity with his immigration rants isn't concerned about the chain migration of Melaina's parents and sister. Her English IS atrocious as is wife number ones. I barely could understand one word she was reading to those little kids. I'm guessing the parents are remembering Michelle and her warmth and friendliness.

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alexrander

Kaych, it's all just entertainment. But you're missing out if you don't occasionally catch a video or two of Kimmel speaking out about health care. Hannity is not a comedian of course, rather he's just a really bad actor who has obviously got you believing in him. This is just faked outrage on his part, I wish you could really know that. Here's Kimmel with Prez. Bush


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foodonastump

Thanks PM, just making sure since several of the comments left me thinking it was missed.

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mrskjun(9)

Maybe when Kimmel can speak five languages he can make fun of someone's accent who does.

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lilacinjust

Harmless to invoke being gay in a pejorative manner? C'mon Kimmel, you and Chelsea just showed who you really are.

Hoist by his own petard.

I LOVE it.

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mrskjun(9)

I would like to think it's class, but it's more likely huge blowback.

^^^^^^

In a nutshell. Kimmel offended the gay community and if the rest of the country isn't allowed to say, "That's so 'gay'" any longer, it's hardly appropriate to joke about 'bottoms' and 'tops' in a way that lampoons gay men.

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lilacinjust

kaych

I don't see class. I see 'crying uncle" because Hannity pounded him & exposed him for the sick pervert he is. (I've never watched Kimmel & after this disgusting glimpse, I most certainly won't) Class at the very least would be an apology to the FLOTUS, Melania, & yet that's obviously missing.

^^^^^^^^

Where are the feminists? Are they going to boycott Kimmel after seeing how offensive he's been to women and POC??

Of course not.

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mrskjun(9)

Maybe when Kimmel can speak five languages he can make fun of someone's accent who does.

^^^^^^

BIG pet peeve of mine. When you speak 4 other languages beside your native tongue, by all means, poke fun at Melania's accent.


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cattyles

Is that for fainting or therapy?

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CindyMac(8b)

Maybe when Kimmel can speak five languages he can make fun of someone's accent who does.


https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-proof-that-Melania-Trump-is-fluent-in-five-languages

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lilacinjust

I don't care if someone is bi-lingual or a polyglot. It is boorish behavior to mock their native accent.

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foodonastump

What, no outrage in support of poor Guillermo who was “insulted” in the same sentence?

As someone to tends to roll his eyes at affected outrage from any side over perceived or minor slights, I’ve just got to say that there’s a large percentage of this country that lost any credibility whatsoever WRT objecting to boorish behavior, on Nov 8, 2016. Watching Hannity’s reaction was funnier than Kimmel himself. What a tool.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

None of us know how fluent Melania is in these languages. I can speak words in five languages also but am fluent in only one at the moment.

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lilacinjust

Fluency, how many languages Melania speaks...all red herrings. The point, of course, is the hypocrisy of a progressive liberal MOCKING someone for their native-language accent.

Worse, FLOTUS was reading a book to children and even that's not sacred.


Where exactly is the bottom when it comes to treated our First Lady like carp? I think Kimmel would have to shovel UP.

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Kathy

Maybe Trump should set the example rather than excoriating a comedian?

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cattyles

Where was her respect for the office of the pres when she did the Birther Lie Circuit and repeated it every chance she got? She hasn’t taken any high roads that I can find. You get what you give.

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lilacinjust

Ah, I see. Vengeance over forgiveness. The Liberal Way.

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foodonastump

Nothing’s sacred in the tippy-top special place .

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Kathy

A joke at Melanias expense id just that....a joke at melanias expense. It isnt revenge. If she cant laugh at herself, she needs to get out of the WH.

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lilacinjust

I hope that anti-PC thought process extends past Trump and his family!

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foodonastump

Not me, I’d prefer to live in a society that’s a bit more respectful. But unfortunately that ship has sailed.

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cattyles

The Obamas could not have been kinder or more gracious to her - much more so than her own husband. I’d say the Obamas were an excellent example of a more respectful society.

Melania made it clear that she did not want to be the First Lady but now she’s enjoying her “noble martyrdom”.

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mrskjun(9)

Let's see Kimmel make fun of Michelle Obama....burn the house down!!!

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lilacinjust

Melania has denied that she never wanted to be the First Lady. So, there's that. Further...



Michelle went on to mock Melania for the "faux pas" of that gift, stating it had never been done before. But, whoops...


But, where is Laura's "wth" face?

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chase_gw

Kimmel blew it , he apologized. Wish Trump would do that more often. Actually even once would do.



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lilacinjust

"Once again part of the liberal media, this time Vanity Fair, has written a story riddled with unnamed sources and false assertions," a spokesperson said in a statement. "As a magazine tailored to women it is shameful that they continue to write salacious and false stories mean to demean Mrs. Trump, rather than focus on her positive work as First Lady and a supportive wife and mother. As has been stated on the record many times before, she is honored by her role."


http://www.businessinsider.com/melania-trump-never-wanted-to-be-first-lady-2017-11


#fakenews

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lilacinjust

Kimmel insulted gays. He knew he was hoist by his own petard. Of course instead of a sincere apology, he issued a wise-ass, backhanded apology which really wasn't an apology at all.

It was more like, " s%&!, I let my homophobia slip so now I've got to back peddle."

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mrskjun(9)

Let's see Kimmel make fun of Michelle Obama....burn the house down!!!

^^^^^^^^

Did you see that montage of Kimmel asking women to grope his groin?

The blackface was a nice touch, I think.

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ann_t

"The point, of course, is the hypocrisy of a progressive liberal MOCKING someone for their native-language accent."

Oh give it a rest.

Dementia Don mocked a handicapped man. And he continues to mock anyone that doesn't agree with him. Remember the names he called those running against him?

Those that voted for him didn't seem to have a problem when DD was doing the mocking.

Repubs are all a bunch of hypocrites.

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chase_gw

I must be missing significant news sources. I see nothing at all in terms of salacious stories nor do I see anything about her positive work as First Lady........she is remarkably absent in any news I see, hear or read

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cattyles

Well, good for her. She won’t need money from her horndog husband. She can sue pretty much everyone who knows her for saying that and affirming it. I’m sure she would never lie now that she’s polishing her Our Lady of Perpetual Noble Martyrdom medal.

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lilacinjust

ann, as long as you and like-minded Trump haters keep it in the gutter, but claim some moral high ground, I'm going to point out the hypocrisy at ever turn.

So, sorry. Not going to oblige.

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lilacinjust

cattyles

Well, good for her. She won’t need money from her horndog husband. She can sue pretty much everyone who knows her for saying that and affirming it. I’m sure she would never lie now that she’s polishing her Our Lady of Perpetual Noble Martyrdom medal.

^^^^^^^

Not sure if you are familiar with laws in America, but that's not how it works when you're a public figure.

Oh, and that title? It's taken already.


By Hillary.

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lily316

Hey, lilac( I mean Mimi) how did you like your guy saying he grabs women's pussies? He's then president with 19 counts of sexual abuse, he slept with a porn star with no protection weeks after Melania had a baby and had her spank him with a magazine (hence his new name), and carried on a 10 month affair in the same period using no protection after sex many,many many times according the the playboy bunny who said she loved him and he loved her. Are you talking about that guy? Oh no, you're talking about a comedian who did bits 15 years ago .Figures. DEFLECTION.

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cattyles

Mimi, those are lovely photos. Thanks for posting them!

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cattyles

Darn, so I guess she’ll be staying put for the money? Y’all should do a GoFund for the sweet maligned dear.

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cattyles

Since sunflowers isn’t around, I hope she won’t mind....

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lily316

Melania...the worse first lady going back to Mamie Eisenhower. Just think of the lovely ladies we've had. Jackie Kennedy, Ladybird, Betty Ford, Barbara and Laura Bush, Hillary Clinton and now a former porn star model.

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ann_t

"So, sorry. Not going to oblige".

That is the best you can do? No response to how low Dementia Don goes in his mocking? So basically if a repub mocks it is okay but not if a liberal mocks?

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lilacinjust

ann_t

"So, sorry. Not going to oblige".

That is the best you can do? No response to how low Dementia Don goes in his mocking? So basically if a repub mocks it is okay but not if a liberal mocks?

^^^^^

That's gonna be a hard pass for me, ann.

Nice straw man you made there, tho!!

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chase_gw

In other words.......gottcha on Ann's part

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lilacinjust

Oh, ann got me. She got me good!

Dang it!! Gosh darn!!

Must.

Try.

Harder.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Not a slow news day, so why so much passion about a TV spat that is sure to raise the number of viewers for both parties. (Or a TV spat which may not have existed except to raise viewing audience numbers.)

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cattyles

Yes, the repub pres can embarrass the nation multiple times daily with his crassness, ignorance and criminal behavior but God forbid a comedian to tell any jokes about Melania’s accent.

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lilacinjust

We get it. Mockery for me, but not for thee.

So the next time a liberal sets their hair on fire about Trump joking about Russia finding more emails, I'll quote you.

GOD FORBID TRUMP TELL A JOKE!! HARUMPH!!!

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Hi Mimi.

Welcome back.

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

Ah, I see. Vengeance over forgiveness. The Liberal Way.

Are you familiar with donald trump?

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Ann

No "In other words" are ever needed. Each poster is perfectly capable of speaking for themselves. These were the words of the poster.

"That's gonna be a hard pass for me, ann.

Nice straw man you made there, tho!!"


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lilacinjust

"In other words", let me misconstrue what you've written so I can use your words as a cudgel against you.

No thanks. But, if that's your "win", enjoy.

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lilacinjust

nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Hi Mimi.

Welcome back.

^^^

Hi nancy. Thank you.

Miss me?


j/k

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cattyles

Well, I can only speak for myself. But my petard is dry and my powder is unhoisted. Wait......

Yes, welcome back.

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foodonastump

I agree about the “Russia find the emails”, and several others. Those would be examples of ones I roll my eyes at. Heck even calling the Billy Bush tape evidence of anything beyond poor character was a leap IMO and I’ve said so.

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Ann

Excellent description of the tactic of "In other words" mimi. That's why it bothers me so, so much. I've never seen it have useful value on HT and have only seen it used in a mean spirited and unfair fashion.

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lilacinjust

Straw man arguments are unfair by definition, because they misrepresent an opponent's position and attempt to thwart the narrative. The best one can do is not engage and stick to their own points of view and express them as best they can.

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lily316

Mean spirited...the very definition of the moron in chief.

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lily316

Mimi..why the name change? I've been here since 2001 and always have had the same moniker.

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lilacinjust

Fluency,
how many languages Melania speaks...all red herrings. The point, of
course, is the hypocrisy of a progressive liberal MOCKING someone for
their native-language accent.

***********************************************

Would you want Melania to be on the other end of the phone line helping you in a cust servs call w/her being so fluent in English and all?

Gee, I wonder what the outrage would be here by some if Kimmel physically mocked a handicapped journalist?

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Ann

Mimi, I agree. All one can do is point out the words are theirs and not yours. Other posters can then form their own opinion of the value of the posts where words are twisted.

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Ann

Are the Mimi welcome backs sincere? If yes, it's nice of fellow posters to welcome her back.

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Embothrium(Sunset Climate Zone 5, USDA Hardiness Zone 8)

Kimmel took a lot of heat from the left because he was one of the few talk shows that would book thump during the campaign

*Chuckle*!

"Thud" would also be apt.


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lily316

I wonder if Mimi and Hannity weren't a little upset when Spanky mocked a reporter with a disability? But no. They go after Kimmel for a 15-year-old comedic skit. How about any day since Spanky has been in office. A scandal a day. A nasty tweet a day. What, nothing? Kimmel's impassioned speech about his son resulted in millions of dollars raised for the hospital who treated him so that parents without the ability to pay would be helped.

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foodonastump

Mimi’s not back it’s her girlfriend.

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Ann

Lol, FOAS!

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lily316

I wonder if Mimi and Hannity weren't a little upset when Spanky mocked a reporter with a disability?

There you go again, repeating fake news like a good little sheeple.

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lily316

Turn off FOX. It is widely seen and known. Spanky is a disgrace.

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queenmargo

lily316

Turn off FOX. It is widely seen and known. Spanky is a disgrace.

Turn off CNN lily, it is your fake news site that misrepresented it.

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lily316

OMG...Every network in the world has shown Spanky doing contortions , flapping his arms and saying 'I didn't know'. Videos don't lie. You Trumpeters are something else. Next you'll be saying Melania wasn't a nude porn model. Want pictures of that?

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Gee, I saw it--and I don't often watch CNN, so highly unlikely that I saw it there.

In fact, I saw the video repeated many times.

How did some of you manage to miss all those repeats?

Kate

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jillinnj

I don't care if someone is bi-lingual or a polyglot. It is boorish behavior to mock their native accent.

Tell me...is that anything like someone here being outraged when they encounter Spanish speaking people at the store? Like how dare they speak Spanish while here in America. Like that?

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jillinnj

How did some of you manage to miss all those repeats?

'cause they only believe what Fox tells them and Fox told them he wasn't mocking the reporter. Facts and reality don't play into it. In other words, cult behavior.

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queenmargo

'cause they only believe what Fox tells them and Fox told them he wasn't mocking the reporter. Facts and reality don't play into it. In other words, cult behavior.

and the FAKE MSM which is pimped by the Liberals told you that he was mocking so you believed it. In other words, cult behavior. Guess we all are in cults.

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CindyMac(8b)

Tell me...is that anything like someone here being outraged when they encounter Spanish speaking people at the store? Like how dare they speak Spanish while here in America. Like that?

Can't even say that was spoken in jest. Pure animosity to another human being.

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Kathy

How low can Trump go?

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deegw

Interesting. I lived in SC and saw Trump make faces and jerky hand gestures and change his voice live as it happened. As an adult human, I knew immediately that he was mocking and bullying a disabled person. No cults involved.

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queenmargo

No cults involved.

Denial is a whole other issue;) .... I call deflection.

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deegw

Denial of what?

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

trump's mocking is more convincing than Obama's alleged bowing....and a lot more repulsive.

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lilacinjust

Clinging to religion and guns isn't mockery at all!

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lilacinjust

and the FAKE MSM which is pimped by the Liberals told you that he was mocking so you believed it. In other words, cult behavior. Guess we all are in cults.

^^^^

Oh, margie, you know Trump haterz aren't mere mortals ;-)

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lilacinjust

Saying that millions of American women aren't capable of thinking for themselves isn't mocking at all!

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

You're right, it's sad.....referring to 3 posts up.....nervous fingers mini?

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vgkg(Z-7)

trump's mocking is more convincing than Obama's alleged bowing....and a lot more repulsive.

I don't know why you guys all ways have to bring up Obama, he isn't president you know. But, since you brought it up vgkg, if Obama wasn't bowing what did he buckle down with, gas?

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deegw

denial of what?

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lily316

The Koolaid has infected the rational thinking of the HT wing nutters.

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

You remember who he "bowed" too Margie? Now don't google, nyuk.

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queenmargo

d_gw

denial of what?

In denial again?

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Ziemia(6a)

The defense offered up for Trump - to prove it wasn't mocking of the reporter -- to prove it was something Trump did often -- BOTH examples occurred after the offensive event. And haven't really been seen since. (Clearly, he was coached on how to create 'cover').


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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

I stand corrected, It does look like gas.

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deegw

mvank - I asked you question about what you said. You ignored me and then answered my question with a question that makes no sense.

I won't waste any more time trying to communicate with someone who has reading comprehension issues. Have a great evening!

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lily316

So it takes low IQ Hannity a day and a half to have his writers come up with a reply to quick thinking Kimmel? Par for the course for a HS dropout. BTW, can any right winger here explain what Spanky was doing in that video if he wasn't mocking a disabled man?

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mrskjun(9)

According to Gallup.

"PRINCETON, NJ -- Seventy-two percent of Americans say it is essential that immigrants living in the United States learn to speak English."

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CindyMac(8b)

Those Spanish speaking Costco shoppers probably spoke English too. Funny how it seems to infuriate some that they won't do it when within earshot.

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jillinnj

Some can't seem to remember that I do not watch news on TV, even though I have repeatedly pointed that out. What I do is read. And watch the source and decide for myself. It's very clear that he was mocking a disabled person.

Why would it be so hard to say 'yeah, that was bad. He should apologize'? Oh, right, forgot...Cult.

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judeNY_gw

Anyone who can't see the difference between behavior acceptable for the president of the US and a comedian/late night talk show host is missing too many to be worth anything.

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lilacinjust

Kimmel used him position of considerable power and ability to reach millions of people to bully Melania Trump.

But, let's just say he isn't the President, so it's all good.

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chase_gw

'Cause when the President's does it is all good.........

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mtnrdredux_gw

I have said it before here, and I realize this thread may have morphed on, but a point about Melania.

It is weird/inappropriate/worthy of comment that she has failed to learn how to speak English properly. People in far less public positions in far less time have shown the initiative to speak the language of their new country properly. That she has not, tells me something about her. I am not impressed.

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lily316

I am not impressed either. IF she speaks five languages, learn to speak the one in the country you live and represent.

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SandyC.

The meme of the Obama bow guide is from a soviet propagandist. The People's cube. Does this come directly off of white supremacist, 4 chan, Reddit sites or is it spread on FB by Russian bots to the alt right?

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

There will be an accent when a foreign language is learned as an adult -- just a fact. Lots of practice will reduce the accent, but very unlikely that it will disappear.

I suspect that the First Lady didn't tried to hone her English skills; there was no need as a trophy wife.

I give her a pass on her pronunciation.

That said, Kimmel's was not an attack on the First Lady. I was upset by his comment to the man with the Spanish accent.

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lily316

This picture or her full frontal nudity ones? She could be a Penthouse star.Is that even a magazine anymore?

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gyr_falcon(Sunset 23)

I don't think it is solely politics that Melania is not on covers, although I am sure that is a part. Backlash from readers would be a concern, and not simply because of party lines. Covers come with interviews, and Melania is quite a bit more private than previous first ladies. The questions could certainly not be pleasant softball ones and have a magazine retain credibility. I can imagine she would not want to answer questions that would make her feel uncomfortable--and there is no shortage of that material. If asked, what advantage to her would cause her to agreed do them? I see a lot of disadvantages.

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marquest(PA zone 6)

First Ladies have come a long ways than just a pretty face. There are pretty women on magazine covers every day of all colors and shapes.

I suspect being a trophy wife that is all you have. Then you get what tRump has done all his life once that starts to sag along with your boobs he trades them in for the next porn star, nude model, or playboy bunny he can use as arm candy.

Sorry cover girl for the month is no big accomplishment. Women should want to be more than a empty head and a rack to hang a pretty dress on.

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ann_t

I agreed Gyr, any interview with Melania would have to be a fluff piece. No hard hitting interviews. Other than being married to DD she hasn't accomplished anything that would make her cover worthy.

As for her accent, I don't have a problem. It isn't like she can't speak and read English. in fact she is probably better at it than Dementia Don. Why would anyone expect her lose her accent? That makes no sense to me.

This whole Hannity /Kimmel thing has been blown way out of proportion. Melania is fair game to poke fun at. Making fun at her accent was rather tame when you think about it.

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lilacinjust

When someone mocks an accent, it's a direct jab at the target's intelligence. Anyone can tell you that's the subtext.

Well, anyone who's being intellectually honest.

It's not about the imitation; it's about what that imitation is alluding to.

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dandyfopp

James Woods continues to be an idiot.

If Melania on the cover sold magazines, she would be on every cover.

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ann_t

The fact you can't see the difference between making fun of Melania's accent and referring to a black woman as an ape is why it is difficult to take anything you say seriously , regardless of what name you call yourself.


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lilacinjust

I believe it's not about selling or not selling covers, rather, it's about the Left following form and attempting to destroy anyone or anything that treats Trump and his family with respect.

Putting Melania on a cover would mean massive boycott campaigns, and the magazines know it. I mean, c'mon. Be serious. Melania was a model and is still a beautiful woman who could work the hell out of any photo shoot. She'd be a dream to have on any cover if her last name wasn't Trump.

It's censorship by bullying tactics.

Put Melania on your cover at your own peril. That's the message now fully ingrained in America. Align in any way, shape or form with Trump, and face the consequences.

This is the tactic which the Left is now synonymous with. Capitulate or we'll do our best to ruin you.

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Kathy

And that tactic is exactly what Hannity is attempting to employ with Kimmel. Bullying, and capitulation.

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lilacinjust

I don't think Hannity had a tactic similar in any way to what we see the Left doing, a la, attempting to take down Ingraham via "boycotting" advertisers, which in reality, involved Media Matters organizing campaigns to strong arm companies into capitulating.

Astroturfed "boycott".


Hannity is not for boycotting and if you watch him, you'd know this. He's said it over and over again and has stood up for the rights of people to express their views on their own programs, like Bill Maher and Howard Stern.

So, no it's not "exactly what Hannity is attempting" whatsoever. What Hannity and Kimmel did was put simply, an ego and testosterone-driven p***ing contest and Kimmel stepped in it when he made a pejorative joke about gays and had to back down, or else face losing the support of the LBGT community.


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Ziemia(6a)

Magazines need to sell copies. It's hard out there for print media. They could do a serious piece on her, using her staff to build things up as needed (and this is often done for major personalities --- that's why they have staff, after all).

Melania is choosing her publicity. I'd think Vanity Fair would love to have her sit for a cover.

Who is in charge of her travel plans? "The Left"? really?

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CindyMac(8b)

^^^

true colors

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jillinnj

Wow. Just wow.

Yep, true colors. They always come out eventually. Thanks for letting me know who you are, olliesmom. I think I had misjudged you. My bad.

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olliesmom

I cannot believe you two just said "true colors". I, however, have not misjudged you. So, it's okay to call Melania names and make fun of her??

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deegw

Yikes olliesmom. Comparing a black woman to an ape is the height of racism. Wish there was a block function on this site. I will be sure to remember your charming point of view when reading your posts over in Home Decorating.

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Ziemia(6a)

olliesmom: have you actually watched an ape walk? Doesn't sound like it.

Michelle Obama did walk like an ape in heels, she's not very feminine in heels.

Her big feet in heels and bowed legs, the description just fits really.


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jillinnj

I don't think it matters Dem/GOP. What matters is what will sell magazines and since the vast majority of the country does not approve of her husband, it might not be a wise business move. But why let the facts get in the way of one's political agenda?

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jillinnj

So, it's okay to call Melania names and make fun of her??

As soon as you point out where I said that, I'll respond.

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CindyMac(8b)

Ditto

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Ziemia(6a)

Ditto on calling her names, etc.

IN fact, I've come under mild fire for defending her. And I'm not-a-Trump-fan

AND, making fun of her - of her accent - is a far cry from comparing Michelle Obama to an ape.

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lilacinjust

WHOOSH!!

(that's the sound of my point going over heads)

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olliesmom

Not necessarily you two, but others, sorry, you got caught in the crossfires. So, for that, I'm sorry.

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lilacinjust

olliesmom, everything is racist to the Left. I fully understand that you are talking about mannerisms in gait, not skin color.

You have to remember, skin color is ALL the Left sees, so, that's their prism.

Don't let the false accusations bother you, or take the straw man bait.

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deegw

Comparing a black woman to an ape is very racist. And bless your heart if you can't see it.

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olliesmom

d_gw, Nope. I think it's racist "you" think it's racist. It's 2018, get your mind out of the gutter.

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ann_t

"Yikes olliesmom. Comparing a black woman to an ape is the height of racism. Wish there was a block function on this site. I will be sure to remember your charming point of view when reading your posts over in Home Decorating."

Well there is one for sure that will have a hard time denying that she is a racist. But like the others, I'm sure she will try.

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Ziemia(6a)

Humans walking like apes



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rhoder551 zone 9b-10

That photo posted of Melanie is hideous ! I'm surprised a Trumpster would drag that one out....

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Ziemia(6a)

Olliesmom: who would be an arbiter of it being racist?

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olliesmom

After reading article above, I think, when those of you stop thinking it's racist, it will be. She stated it wasn't about the color of skin. So, as long as you keep it alive and going, you put those thoughts in peoples' head.

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deegw

Oh please. Using your "logic", if we stop "thinking" that certain phrases and behaviors are misogynistic that makes them less misogynistic? Makes NO sense.

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CindyMac(8b)

Keep digging. It's clear as day what you were saying.

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olliesmom

d_gw, you are forcing me to see color, when in fact, it had nothing to do with it.

So, if you see it's because of some "past" negative connotation that kids today don't even relate in today's world, then yes, you are keeping it alive and won't allow people of color to get past the negative connotation that you keep putting on them.

You are forcing our kid's today to think that way, when, in fact, they don't think that way.

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Ziemia(6a)

And, there's the thing that a woman's walk should be compared to zoo animals. Melania's value comes from her looks? That's what Trump says.

PS: you familiar with the theory that being colorblind when it comes to race has aspects of racism? My takeaway is that context is important when using the topic.

ETA: It's like making fun of Melania's accent --- the context is important. Understanding the source of it. (Making fun of it is wrong and sets a bad example for children.) Portraying her without the accent would be inaccurate.

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lilacinjust

You are forcing our kid's today to think that way, when, in fact, they don't think that way.

^^^^^

They don't and it's the adults who are poisoning the well.

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lilacinjust

Humans have been ascribed animal-like tendencies and likenesses for time immemorial. Take what's known as "ape hand", for instance.

Racist? Of course not.


To wit; this conversation sure has gone down the rabbit hole (per usual).

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olliesmom

ziemia, seems to me I've seen President Trump compared to a pig et al. Do I think it's because I think he is the color of a pig? No, it's because he's overweight, which is a fact.

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Ziemia(6a)

Context.

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olliesmom

lilacinjust says:

They don't and it's the adults who are poisoning the well.

^^^^^^

Exactly my point!


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deegw

Well, you all enjoy justifying your clearly racist viewpoints to each other. I am bowing out of this particular discussion. Not going to waste my time talking to a brick wall. Like I said before "Bless your hearts". It is not a term of endearment.

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olliesmom

Of course it’s not a term of endearment! Neither is being called a pig.

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lilacinjust

Let's see, ollies, what other animal references have been historically conferred upon people?

Cow, pig, fox, buck, horse, mouse, crocodile, shark, lamb, sheep...

If you are likening Michelle's gait to an ape because she's bow-legged and sways side to side, I can see that. I would probably make a cowboy comparison ;-)

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olliesmom

D_gw, enjoy keeping negative connotations alive. I’m sure It will be helpful in the future with our kids.

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cattyles

You know, the incremental slippage towards using racial slurs “being okay” as part of MAGA is fleeting and totally temporary. It is still repulsive no matter how boldly you defend it.

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lilacinjust

You know, the incremental degradation of context and intent being "okay" as part of the Left's agenda comes perilously close to infringing on our Constitutional rights, now matter how boldly you defend it.

To the woman who originally made the Michelle/ape comparison, I believed then and now, that she was making a racist remark.

olliesmom, no, not so much.

Conflating the two seems to me, to be agenda driven and disingenuous, at best.

It can be a fruitful tactic, but tends to fail when you scratch beneath the PC patina and see someone willing to win an argument at any cost.

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Ziemia(6a)

So, no suggestion on who would be an arbiter of racism.

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azmom

mimi,

I was in DC that day when Obamas visited Bushes in the White House. It was a joyful day for Americans.

Don't you know Bushes and Obamas are good friends? Try to keep up, it is not that hard to do a simple Google, no need to fabricate any mean spirit, dumb lie.

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lilacinjust

azmom, I'm well aware of their friendship. I have no idea how that little factoid fits into the convo.

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Kids? How old are you Olliesmom?

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lily316

I think Ollie's comment is one of the more racist things I've seen here. Blatantly racist and I'm surprised the mods didn't take notice. Michelle is a beautiful fit woman and graces the covers of so many magazines including Time. I would never look at one with Melania on it and the majority of Americans wouldn't which is why she doesn't appear. He monosyllabic answers to questions would be a bore to read. Since I don't know what Ollie looks like I can't find a lookalike animal to reference her looks but calling a black person an ape is the lowest of the low. Showed her true colors and no backpedaling will change that. I wouldn't walk gracefully in high heels either but you wouldn't call me an ape because I'm lily white. Despicable.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

'There is a long and ugly history of comparing black people to apes.

“In the 19th century and well into the 20th, popular media from movies to fiction to political cartoons frequently portrayed blacks as more simian than human,” social psychologists Phillip Atiba Goff and Jennifer L. Eberhardt wrote in the Los Angeles Times.

“It was an association that provided cover for slavery itself, as well as anti-black violence. Lynchings in the United States were often justified by relying on this dehumanizing association, and it surfaced in the Rodney King controversy in Los Angeles: LAPD Officer Laurence Powell had referred to a black couple as ‘something right out of ‘Gorillas in the Mist’ moments before he was involved in the King beating,” they wrote. “Like nooses, the ‘N-word’ and white sheets, referring to blacks as apelike is among the most violent and hurtful legacies of our nation’s difficult racial past.”

Racist ape memes have surfaced repeatedly around the Obamas. Several years ago, the Awl catalogued them in a piece called “Primate in Chief: A Guide to Racist Obama Monkey Photoshops.” (SOURCE)

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IT does not matter to me whether a woman "fits" a gender stereotype of so-called femininity.

I'm reminded that one of the most admired women of the 20th century was Eleanor Roosevelt, another presidential wife that didn't fit the feminine stereotype.

I'd a hundred times over prefer to be the most admired woman of any century rather than the most stereotyped model of so-called femininity.

And I have not been calling Melania any names--so you can drop that one.

Kate

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mrskjun(9)

Here we go..I don't agree with you, therefore I deem you a racist. But if you had said Cheeto head, orange man, Drump, misogynist, pig, deplorable, liar, bigot, you would have been ok. Just whatever you do, don't say BO.

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deegw

A right wing poster from one of the most racist areas in the country attempts to teach us all about racism. Ironic.

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lilacinjust

The lack of awareness of a left-wing poster painting an entire region of America as racist is a shining example of bigotry.

Ironic.

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mayflowers

I have learned from past discussions that trump supporters would rather defend racist imagery than learn why it is racist. Or maybe they do understand but they just like to pretend it isn't racist so they can get a rise out of the liberals. It really is a lot more fun to poke people here than to try to understand, isn't it?

Blacks have been historically compared to apes not only for their skin color, but because they were deemed less intelligent than whites. There was thought during unenlightened times that they were descendant from apes where whites were created by God in his image. Their facial features have been compared to apes and monkeys. That is the stereotype you're perpetuating when you call Michele Obama "an ape in heels". If Condi walked awkwardly in heels, I'll guarantee not one of you would remark that she walked like an ape in heels.

No other entire race has been compared to an animal. When trump is called a pig, no one is calling the entire white race a pig. It's solely based on his behavior. He has piggish behavior toward women. He wallows in the mud with his enemies. He acts like a pig just like Assad acts like "an animal", according to trump.

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lilacinjust

The hypocrisy of left-wing posters treated an immigrant from Slovenia-FLOTUS, no less- as some mail-order bride.


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lilacinjust

If Condi walked awkwardly in heels, I'll guarantee not one of you would remark that she walked like an ape in heels.

^^^^^

It must take a great deal of denial to assume that people on the Left, who hate Condi with a seething passion, would never compare her to an ape or in any way make a racist comment to denigrate her.

That's just fantastical thinking. Of course she's be the recipient of racist comments from the Left. Further, she's on record as despising the race card.

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deegw

First, not left wing AT ALL. Second, Louisiana isn't an entire region of the country. Third, I'd be happy to share factual research with you about racism in this country but I would be wasting my time. Finally, I completely blame myself for thinking I can have intelligent conversations with the dolts that frequent Hot Topics.

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lilacinjust

dgw- you can backfill enough to dig out of that whopping hole of bigotry you just got yourself into, and protesting as such just makes it worse.

Like, icky worse.

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SandyC.

Referring to an African American woman as an ape is a racist comment.

People were suspended from their positions, including a physician and a mayor, for these racist remarks about our First Lady.

Just because you say you are not racist does not make it so.

It's like saying you are not a racist because you have black friends, or better yet, trump has a Jewish daughter and son in law. So what, trump us still a racist and an anti semite. He shows it every day with his racist comments , dating back to the Central Park Five ..The apple didn't fall far from trump Sr. kkk tree.

Deflection to trump being called a cheeto, is just that, deflection .

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chase_gw

I wish people would layoff of Melania. Not becasue she is "untouchable" but because she really has a zero public presence as First Lady so all the attacks are personal.

The only criticism I would offer is that she really desn't do much as First Lady but then again she wasn't elected or appointed to the job.

I especially dislike the criticisms of her looks, dress eyc....I'd die to be able to walk in heels like she does!

What goes on in their marriage is their business and of zero importance to me

It was disgraceful the way some went after Michelle as well as Hilary and the same holds for Melania.....leave her alone Lord knows she has enough problems just being married to trump!

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lilacinjust

I don't care what "wing" you are, saying that an entire "region" of our country is racist is rather bigoted.

Not to mention, mean and intolerant.

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lilacinjust

FLOTUS has been working with children and it's received little to no coverage by the MSM.

She is indeed working on an agenda, and putting good into the world, but that'll never matter to most Trump haters.

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mayflowers

Mimi, I am sure there are numerous threads here from years past about Condi, which was before both our times here, and I am positive that liberals did not make racist statements when criticizing her.


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lilacinjust

mayflowers, I never claimed they did. I said "the Left" and you better believe Condi endured attacks of all kinds.


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deegw

So, in your world, saying a black women walks like an ape is fine. But to point out there are some areas of the country that are known to be racist is bigoted? Okaaaay.

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lilacinjust

"like an ape", indicating genu varus and lateral movement of the upper body over the pelvis and stance leg during ambulation?

Yes. It would be apt, if only it could stand as an objective comparison and not be imbued with the perennial accusations of racism from the Left.

Keep backfilling.

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Zeus

d_gw

15 minutes ago

A right wing poster from one of the most racist areas in the country attempts to teach us all about racism. Ironic

lilacinjust

just now

The lack of awareness of a left-wing poster painting an entire region of America as racist is a shining example of bigotry.

Ironic

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Mimi - you are from Texas? I just did a quick Google search for the incidence of racist/hate group behavior and didn't see one list that had Texas below the top 10. Most placed Texas at 3rd. You are responding to someone who said "one of the most racist areas" and interpreting that to mean " the entire area is racist.".

ETA - perhaps someone else can tackle your misuse of the term bigotry in this exchange of ideas.

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lilacinjust

You are responding to someone who said "one of the most racist areas" and interpreting that to mean " the entire area is racist.".

^^^^^^

"Racist area" would imply majority or plurality racism.

Sometimes people are hoist by their own petard and it's best not to shine a spotlight on it.

It just tends to make it worse.

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deegw

Just reposting this from above.

Like nooses, the ‘N-word’ and white sheets, referring to blacks as apelike is among the most violent and hurtful legacies of our nation’s difficult racial past.”

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chase_gw

"FLOTUS has been working with children and it's received little to no coverage by the MSM.

She is indeed working on an agenda, and putting good into the world, but that'll never matter to most Trump haters."


Want to point me in the direction of the extensive coverage FOX has been giving her good works?

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ann_t

"mayflowers, I never claimed they did. I said "the Left" and you better believe Condi endured attacks of all kinds."

Since we are talking about the racists comments made here by a HT member, why don't you share some of the racists comments from HT members directed at Condi Rice.

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lily316

People who have a frontal nude lesbian porn model as a first lady shouldn't be making disparaging remarks about a Princeton grad with a law degree who spent every day as the first lady doing wonderful things...getting kids to exercise, planting a veggie garden to encourage healthy eating which many unfit fat people on the right made disparaging remarks about. And the Obama girls were often the butt of nasty racist remarks but in my opinion either of these girls is much lovelier than any of the tRump women.

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ann_t

Well if she is still working on her "Bullying" agenda, she is pretty quiet. There have been a number of opportunities for her to get involved and she hasn't. She has had more than a year to make her mark.


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lily316

And she doesn't have to look far to find the biggest bully in the country. The irony is so crazy.

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jillinnj

mimi: Don't let the false accusations bother you, or take the straw man bait.

Oh, you mean like this:

So, it's okay to call Melania names and make fun of her??

'cause that was the only straw man that happened in that conversation. Nice try, though, mimi. You should brush up on your tactics. You seem rusty.

I do believe ollie is a grown up perfectly capable of answering for herself and doesn't need you to guide her. In fact, she admitted I never said it and apologized to her credit.


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deegw

Well, the racist comment is gone for now. Good riddance. I did not flag it, I prefer to let people reveal their true nature.

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CindyMac(8b)

Both of the racist comments are gone, but their screen shots remain.

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ann_t

Some copied and pasted her racists comments so they are still there for the world to see.

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Zeus

Yep. And new rule. Most= Entire in Texas speak.

Speaking of Shakespeare. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

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azmom

"It is weird/inappropriate/worthy of comment that she has failed to learn how to speak English properly. People in far less public positions in far less time have shown the initiative to speak the language of their new country properly. That she has not, tells me something about her. I am not impressed."

Agree. More so what being passed down to her offspring is not impressed either given a 10 years boy had trouble switching school in the middle of a semester, and required American taxpayers to pay $1 million dollars PER DAY for him to stay at the old school.

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lilacinjust

Pass the popcorn.

Immigrant bashing for not speaking English correctly (yes, that lack of initiative!) AND bashing Barron, who was a 10-year old boy at the time, for not being able to cut the mustard and switch schools to soothe the anger of his father's haters.

How dare he.

Extra butter, please. Yum ;-)

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ann_t

I'm still waiting for you to show proof that someone here made racists comments about Condi Rice.

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chase_gw

"a 10 years boy had trouble switching school in the middle of a semester, and required American taxpayers to pay $1 million dollars PER DAY for him to stay at the old school."

Az that is way out of line. Leave the kids out of this carp.

Barron didn't require that . His parents, well at least his mother, made a decision they felt right for him and security protocols dictated the rest, There is no way that a child should have to be uprooted from his school mid year just because his Dad got a new job

It should be noted that the Obamas decided to stay in Washington to allow their youngest to finish her schooling in the same school. Granted that was not at the tax payers expense but the decision made by both sets of parents was made in the child's best interest....as it should be



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lily316

Getting back to the original thread. I watched half of Kimmel last night and there was no mention of Hannity that I heard.

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ann_t

I'm still waiting for you to show proof that someone here made racists comments about Condi Rice.

^^^^^^^^^

I NEVER made that claim, so don't hold your breath.


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ann_t

I'm sure that Barron's best interest was at the heart of the decision. Just happened to be a win, win for Melania too. Gave her a legitimate reason to avoid spending time with her husband.

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ann_t

Oh I was never holding my breath. I knew that you couldn't show that someone here made racists comments about Condi Rice. Unlike the racists comments that have been posted here by HT repubs.

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ann_t

Oh I was never holding my breath. I knew that you couldn't show that someone here made racists comments about Condi Rice. Unlike the racists comments that have been posted here by HT repubs.

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ann, don't be disingenuous. It doesn't suit you. You accused me of saying that someone HERE made racist insults against Condi Rice, and I made no such assertion. So, of course I won't even try to support YOUR intentional misrepresentation of what I wrote.

Now, I have no idea whether or not someone here on HT ever made derogatory comments about Condi Rice, and I'm willing to bet you don't either. I mean, I can't be certain, but given the sheer number of posts on HT, it would be virtually impossible unless you developed some sort of algorithm and analyzed all the data.

So, you've no point to gain here, since you ACCUSED me of something which I did not do.

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mayflowers

Mimi, you said that Condi has been the recipient of racist comments from the left. You picked that one thing out from my entire post. I think you were just speculating that somewhere, someone on the left might have made a racist comment about her. Fine, I'll give you that as it is a possibility. What an insignificant point to want to argue though.

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mayflowers

My point was that you or Olliesmom or anyone who thinks it's not racist to call Michele an ape in heels would never say the same about Condi because you know in your hearts that it's racist.

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Ziemia(6a)

It must take a great deal of denial to assume that people on the Left, who hate Condi with a seething passion ....

The lack of awareness of a left-wing poster painting an entire region of America as racist is a shining example of bigotry.

OK, you painted all the left as hating Condi. And you say that someone else painting Louisiana as a racist region of the country is wrong. So, you can do the broad brush thing but others can't?

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mayflowers

My point was that you or Olliesmom or anyone who thinks it's not racist to call Michele an ape in heels would never say the same about Condi because you know in your hearts that it's racist.

^^^^^^^^

mayflowers, enough. Enough of misrepresenting what I wrote. I never said it wasn't racist, in fact, I brought it up because it was a personal attack on Michelle when she was our First Lady.

Again, read what I wrote before you go off and accuse me of something I never did.

I have always maintained that the woman who wrote "ape in heels' meant it in a racist manner and in fact, wrote exactly that above.

I wish you'd take the time to read what I've taken the time to write.

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attn: mayflowers. Please read what I wrote. In no uncertain terms.

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ann_t

"ann, don't be disingenuous. It doesn't suit you. You accused me of saying that someone HERE made racist insults against Condi Rice, and I made no such assertion.."


"mayflowers, I never claimed they did. I said "the Left" and you better believe Condi endured attacks of all kinds."

Since we are talking about the racists comments made here by a HT member, why don't you share some of the racists comments from HT members directed at Condi Rice."


You should go back and read what I posted. I accused you of no such thing so stop stretching the truth. I was just suggesting that maybe you could find some racists comments made by some of the left here on HT's. It isn't difficult to come up with many examples of someone from the repub persuasion here on HT's making racists comments. So you would think that if you believe that the "left" were making all kinds of attacks on Condi,in the general population, that there would be a least a few to be found here on HT.


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lilacinjust

ann, I've clarified my intent and further, showed proof of my assertion, with examples which go even further than the woman who likened Michelle Obama to an ape in heels.

Of course, these disgusting cartoons were drawn by liberals and published in liberal rags, so feel free to ignore.

So, in the end, I've backed up what I've written. That's all I can do and can help you no further.

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cattyles

So, why would you not apply that strong stance to olliesmom when she says the same thing? What’s different?

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deegw

Please, let's dispense with semantics. A comparison between an "ape" and the name of any black person should not happen in the same sentence. Because it is racist.

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ann_t

"cattyles, I don't believe olliesmom was calling Michelle an ape, rather, she was likening the characteristics of the way she walks to an ape walking bipedally."

Just amazing how the repubs cut each other slack when it comes to things like being a racist. No matter how you look at it Ollie's comment was racist. So what does that make her? YUP!!!!

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mayflowers

Exactly, catty. Who cares whether the woman who was fired used the term in a racist sense. We weren't discussing her. We were discussing Ollie's use of it here, which Mimi assures us has no racial connotations. I didn't know she knew Ollie so well to be so convinced of her innocence.

Even if Ollie didn't mean it that way, she is well aware that comparing blacks to apes DOES have a racist history and she should avoid repeating such historical symbols of racism.

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Ann

I'm way behind but I did start reading comments about Michelle's gait. I do not think she had a graceful walk or gait, not at all.

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lilacinjust

mayflowers

Exactly, catty. Who cares whether the woman who was fired used the term in a racist sense. We weren't discussing her. We were discussing Ollie's use of it here, which Mimi assures us has no racial connotations. I didn't know she knew Ollie so well to be so convinced of her innocence.

Even if Ollie didn't mean it that way, she is well aware that comparing blacks to apes DOES have a racist history and she should avoid repeating such historical symbols of racism.

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mayflowers, again, I ask you to cease misrepresenting what I've written and indeed, I wrote no such thing. I have not assured you all of anything. I merely RESPECTFULLY answered cattyles and also did so honestly.

I don't know ollie well, and you perhaps are aware of this or presumed as much, but I can say that I do know how "I" interpreted what he or she wrote and was earnest about that, even knowing I'd be the focus of the usual pejorative responses and personal attacks.


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mayflowers

I seem to have missed those disgusting cartoons drawn by liberals for liberal rags that are worse than calling a black woman an ape in heels. What are you referring to, Mimi?

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lilacinjust

mayflowers, I've provided the link to the snipped I copied and from there, you can Google yourself.

I am not going to link or copy the cartoons here.

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mayflowers

Oh, I see. We are misinterpreting what you've posted and now those are "personal attacks". I'm not going to play that game with you, Mimi.

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mayflowers

Well, I don't see the link and I did scroll back to find what I missed because your comment didn't make sense to me.

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Ziemia(6a)

Hannity: Nobody picked on Michelle Obama except for the stupid statements

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SandyC.

Since the racist comment is gone, this thread does not make much sense. All of the deflection to Condi Rice is just that deflection.

A racist can claim they aren't a racist, but that doesn't make it true.

Claiming you were thrilled a racist sheriff was pardoned or claiming Hispanic students caused problems in a classroom is the epitome of racism. Claiming you support a Muslim ban is racist, just like trump. Claiming those protesting neo Nazis, white nationalists and fascists at C'Ville were fascists, is racist, and as said above, referring to an African American woman as an ape is racist.

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Ziemia(6a)

Hannity (2013):

“Just so I’m not misunderstanding you, you’re upset that the girls went on vacation?” Powers asked incredulously. “Like, the daughters?”

“We have to pay for the security,” Hannity said. “Which is the right thing to do. But not one vacation, they went on two spring break vacations.”

“No, I’m sorry, that’s insane,” Powers responded. “I think you should leave the daughters out of it. They should be allowed to go on vacation.”

Hannity claimed that the “optics” on the administration’s vacations seemed “wrong” when “50 million Americans are on food stamps and 14 million are on disability.” Powers argued that the Obama daughters should be allowed to go on vacation.

“Okay, one spring break,” Hannity conceded. “Do they have to take two?”

“I cannot believe you are making an issue out of what the girls are doing,” she countered. “They’re little girls!”

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azmom

"lilacinjust

cattyles, I don't believe olliesmom was calling Michelle an ape, rather, she was likening the characteristics of the way she walks to an ape walking bipedally.

The latter having nothing to do with skin color.""

Moderates will be happy to read these olliesmom and lilacinust's comments on the HT.

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azmom

"Granted that was not at the tax payers expense but the decision made by both sets of parents was made in the child's best interest....as it should be"

No, the daughters were not staying behind and wasting millions dollars taxpayers money PER DAY when President Obama moved to the White House.

I wonder how many other President elected had wasted taxpayers money like Trump, not to mention wasting taxpayers money on his adult children's personal business trips and their family's vacations.

Two issues:

The boy's parents required taxpayers to shoulder $1 millions PER DAY paid by taxpayers for this one child's schooling while his father cut educational fund for millions American school children.

We all know that source of payment/funding makes difference when determining legality of actions.

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CindyMac(8b)

That was her previous MO.

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deegw

CindyMac :) I just felt the need to note it in the thread because many of my comments are hard to understand with no context.

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Ziemia(6a)

I did save a copy as the comments were being written. IF I get bored later, I may compare to see. (I really hadn't been aware of specific folks being known for really truly editing comments long after they were posted).

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jillinnj

So, you've no point to gain here, since you ACCUSED me of something which I did not do.

You mean like you accusing others of making straw man arguments and telling ollie to ignore them, when in fact ollie was the one who made a straw man argument?

Like that?

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CindyMac(8b)

Ziemia, curiously d_gw's comment (screen shot taken) about it has been f1agged. That's pretty revealing.

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jillinnj

I'm way behind but I did start reading comments about Michelle's gait. I do not think she had a graceful walk or gait, not at all.

And that's what you rushed to the bottom of the thread to comment on.

Wow.

No, I take back my 'wow'. I'm actually not the least bit surprised.

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SandyC.

The worst kind of racists, are the ones who say they are not racist. Gosh, golly, gee.

The far right/ alt right apologists for a racist sheriff, a racist , child molester Roy Moore, who gave every reason under the sun why the accusers were lying, no matter the man was a racist who claimed Muslims should not be in the senate.


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Ann

Jill, I've finished reading since then and I think the cowboy comparison was quite apt. But, while her legs aren't her best feature, she does have great arms:)

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Ann

Melania, on the other hand, has beautiful legs and a super graceful walk. By the way, Jill, the appearance, body, weight, plastic surgery, smile, hair, jowls, clothing choice, teeth, ears, hands, tie length...................are very regular discussions on HT. I won't take the time to look right now (actually, I might) but I'm confident you regularly contribute to these topics.

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Ziemia(6a)

Melania has had cosmetic surgery, right? She does color her hair. (Not too sure what the point of ^^ is.)

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cattyles

That’s true, Ann. For instance, I can’t help but notice Melania is fluffing up a little. I think it looks good on her.

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jillinnj

I’m sorry, Ann, that you’ve totally missed my point. Again.

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Ziemia(6a)

I’m sorry, Ann, that you’ve totally missed my point. Again.

Don't agree with you here Jill, on your point having been missed. It was simply skipped over. Skipping is fun, after all. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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CindyMac(8b)

Skipping is fun, especially when you're high. ;)




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purrmich _6

I'm way behind but I did start reading comments about Michelle's gait. I do not think she had a graceful walk or gait, not at all.

are you an arbiter of a person's walk? a physical therapist, a ballet teacher? Or simply clueless how about how you're perceived?

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Lily316

Do I will repeat the post someone deleted.So Ann you needed to comment on Michelle’s “ gait” but restrained yourself since you saw the blowback

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Ann

No, I didn't miss it a bit Jill. I'm used to your wows. We all are. Sometimes the dramatic wows are worth some playfulness. I believe you missed the point because you might have still been stuck in your feigned dramatic wow. So many of those types of comments bring a smile (and associated comment) rather than the fight one is working for. I know you come on super strong on HT, but I get to choose how I "take" and respond to your feisty comments. Occasionally, they simply invite sarcasm.

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rhoder551 zone 9b-10

Michelle seemed very athletic and not the type of women to mince around in heels.

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CindyMac(8b)

I'm sure Michelle is twice the woman as some of her detractors here with their obvious hate and cluelessness.

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Ann

Lilly, I commented in the way I chose and the way I looked at the situation. Michelle, like all of us, has positive and negative things about her physical appearance. Her walk was simply not graceful IMO. Her upper body is far, far more attractive than her lower body IMO. Her arms are great, but her hips, legs and walk are not.

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Ann

Also IMO, Melania is pretty darn beautiful and has a fabulous figure.

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CindyMac(8b)

Should we critique your appearance, Ann?

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purrmich _6

You aren't fooling anyone. In fact, you are crystal clear

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mrskjun(9)

My best friend in high school was bowlegged. She was a super athlete, but she had the same kind of gait.

Sandy, actually the worst kind of racists are those who want to turn every persons comments as racial.

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CindyMac(8b)

No Mrs, just the ones that are. We saw that here today.

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deegw

Apparently we need to repeat this once again.

Like nooses, the ‘N-word’ and white sheets, referring to blacks as apelike is among the most violent and hurtful legacies of our nation’s difficult racial past.”

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Kathy

The racist comments I saw on here today cannot be forgotten by trying to weasel out after the fact. If someone doesnt see the insinuation in referring to a black person as having attributes of an ape, they are playing dumb.

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lily316

Melania was a model AFTER her porn model days. Funny how Spanky gravitates to porn stars...lol. She obviously is pretty but has had tons of work so she should .

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SandyC.

What we see a lot from trump supporters and the far far right is indifference. A comment here, that has been removed said Michelle Obama walked like an ape in heels, the excuses and whatabouism of Condi Rice, is the same as the racist who said it.

Also when somebody always says, why does it have to be about race, to deflect from a blatantly racist comment it's just another form of racism.

Indifference gives the oppressor power. Trump is the most unpopular president in the modern era , that has caused millions of decent, moral people across the world to rise up, and not sit by as he spews his jingoistic and racist propaganda.

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SandyC.

Kathy " playing dumb" is putting it mildly. It's like when Trump far far right supporters say, President Obama CAUSED increased racial tensions .

We have a racist far right fringe in our country, many in the trump cabinet and WH, including Stephen Miller and Sessions. Trump has given the white nationalists a voice in the WH.

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purrmich _6

As far I'm concerned, that's all I ever need to know about those persons. it is who they are

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Kathy

Sandy...I was being generous....I know they arent that dumb even though they try to play innocent...Who Me?

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Kathy

Even though I am a Democrat, I am sad to see the Republican party cater to the nationlists and extremists to garner votes. They have pushed the party to the brink of extinction.

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Ann

You aren't fooling anyone. In fact, you are crystal clear

I really don't know who it is you think I'm trying to fool, purrmich. I think Michelle has both flattering and unflattering things about her figure, which I've mentioned. One thing I won't buy into regardless of how much the left wants to scream when either Barack or Michelle is mentioned, is the racist accusation. Michelle is a woman with a figure like all other women of any color. She has her good and bad attributes like all women. All of the Trumps are heavily criticized each and every day. The Obamas are not off limits because of their skin color. That's a game I won't play. They're all high profile people and what's fair is fair. Both men have served as POTUS and both women as FLOTUS - all deserve critique as equals. I don't care what color their skin is.

I actually liked Michelle quite a bit until I heard how she treated employees while on vacation. But, my opinion of Michelle as a person took a dramatic turn on Trump's inauguration day. Very frankly, I think her behavior that day was atrocious.


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Kathy

Who me?

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SandyC.

A friend of a friend anectodal story about Michelle Obama, reminds me of the Monkeys in the bed thread. A friends, friends , daughter was a teacher, said a parent said, therefore it must be true if it coincides with your racist beliefs.

As I said tolerance, of racism and racist remarks or acting " dumb" gosh golly gee, diverting to Michelle Obamas arms or Condi Rice, does not make one less of a racist than the person who said Michelle Obama looked like an ape in heels.

Wasn't there an HT member banned for calling President Obama a "jack nape"?

Trump supporters often have blamed racism on President Obama, another form of racism. O'Reilly said it was reverse racism that won tRumps candidacy,something only racists claim exist.

Pretending racism doesn't exist, when a direct racist comment is made is giving power to the alt right who say it.

But then we know those who refuse to admit they are racists, support a white nationalist agenda and immigration reform bill written by white nationalist in the WH , Sessions and Miller, similar to the JohnsonReed bill of 1924. To limit people from sh*t hole countries.


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Lily316

As long as you’re critiquing Michelle, Ann, google old pics of both Ivanka and Melania. They both will be unrecognizable.Melania had a nice figure but otherwise is very plain. So was brown haired Ivanka. Shows what money can do.

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Kathy

She was....

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dandyfopp



Brooke Shields .. random.

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deegw

lol Ann, did your wacky right wing website source confuse Brooke Shields with Melania? FAKE NEWS.

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Lily316

Years before this was taken are the ones I was referring. Not one person would think this photo of a wholesome woman looks anything like the squinty eyed woman of today.

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CindyMac(8b)

Blue Lagoon

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Ann

Yes, you're right. I was just looking at google images of young Melania Trump. I went back with the same search, clicked in and it was an article comparing her looks to Brooke Shields. Here is Melania. I'll remove Brooke.



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Lily316

She doesn’t look any more like Brooke than I do.

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Ann

Here is young Michelle.




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Ann

Lol, I commented on Michelle Obama's ungraceful walk and atrocious behavior at Trump's inauguration.

Meanwhile, on another thread, President Trump is currently being called a "disgusting creature" and a "miserable cretin".

ETA: This kind of seems like a perfect place to quote purrmich:

"As far I'm concerned, that's all I ever need to know about those persons. it is who they are"

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Kathy

Trump has no qualms about mocking disabled people, women or whoever he wants. He doesnt generate respect.

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cattyles

No. Just stop. No one said a word about your comments about Michele’s walk or behavior. We criticized olliesmom for comparing her to an ape. It’s not about you, at all, Ann.

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dandyfopp

What does this photo album stroll have to do with anything?

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bothell

I'm way behind but I did start reading comments about Melania's accent. I do not think she had a graceful accent or way of speaking, especially when she plagiarizes others, not at all.

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catspa_zone9sunset14

Okay, what do what Melania and Michelle looked like in their teens (or their gait, arms, legs, etc. later on) have to do with ANYTHING? Have we reached the nth degree of shallowness here, finally? Good lord.

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cattyles

Who the flip knows? Distraction. Pivot away from the ugly slur against Michele Obama and act like we’re big meanies.

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roxsol

Let me just add some Canadian content and slip in a picture of Justin for good measure.

He was a cutie back then too.


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ann_t

Melania was a natural beauty. She should have stayed that way instead of creating a totally different face.

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dandyfopp

Woof... that second shot is why Donnie can't stand Trudeau.

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ann_t

"ETA: This kind of seems like a perfect place to quote purrmich

As far I'm concerned, that's all I ever need to know about those persons. it is who they are"

Well we know way more than we need to about you. You have revealed what kind of person you are.

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Ann

What does this photo album stroll have to do with anything?

Lilly suggested googling old pics of "very plain" Melania, dandy. That led me to wonder what young Michelle looked like and then Roxsolid posted a pic of young Justin.

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roxsol

Ann....no such thing! Justin’s Dad was Prime Minister. Canadians watched Justin grow up. I knew what he looked like.


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Ann

Sorry Roxsolid. I'll edit my comment.

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Lily316

There are far worse pictures of Melania than this one. There were many better looking women in my graduating class. This photo stroll was started because of the racist slur to Michelle which has been deleted . Ann had to add to it by gushing over her girl crush.

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Ann

What's the deal with these pictures? They seem to have some of you pretty spun up.

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Ann

Margie, I just googled a young Elizabeth Warren. She was pretty cute.

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SandyC.

"We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. " Elie Wiesel

A comment about Michelle Obama looking like an ape in heals, is a blatant racist comment.

No matter how much diversion and pivoting, cute photos, gosh, golly, gee, when people show you who they are, believe them.

We heard all through tRumps racist campaign of rapist Mexicans, a wall, and Muslim bans, and " inner city" crime, his apologists " pretend" trump was not sending dog whistles to his base.


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purrmich _6

Okay, what do what Melania and Michelle looked like in their teens (or their gait, arms, legs, etc. later on) have to do with ANYTHING? Have we reached the nth degree of shallowness here, finally? Good lord.

This comes up periodically as someone's racism leaks out.

I think the showing of anyone's picture when your point is how ethnic they look (and in the shower's eyes that is ugly) is racism personified.

All of a poster's comments, both defensive and offensive remind me of when someone calls in sick to work adding detail and verbiage and come across as nervous is what's happening here. Hence, a poster's many comments.

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lily316

I'll admit I had a crush on Justin's dad , Pierre, back in the day. What adorable kids he had.

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dandyfopp

No matter how much diversion and pivoting, cute photos, gosh, golly, gee, when people show you who they are, believe them


Dilute the poison.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Now that I've caught up on this disgusting thread, I have just one question.

What "atrocious" behavior did Michelle engage in on Trump's inauguration day?

I missed it somehow--and even tried googling a couple minutes ago. Nothing.

Inquiring minds want to know.

Kate

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jillinnj

Kate - Ann was outraged that a still picture of Michelle made her look unhappy. How dare she be unhappy to be around Ann's hero!!

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Ann....no such thing! Justin’s Dad was Prime Minister.

Wait, what? Did Ann not know that?

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Oh, I see.

Clear as mud.

: )

Kate

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queenmargo

Dilute the poison.

With what? The poison of which you speak is nothing of strength compared to the vile, toxic, delusional, gut wrenching, vomit inducing, hemorrhoid producing insanity that the left has become. *Belch*

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ann_t

Someone here didn't know who Pierre Trudeau was? Really?

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Zeus

margievank

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Dilute the poison.

With what? The poison of which you speak is nothing of strength compared to the vile, toxic, delusional, gut wrenching, vomit inducing, hemorrhoid producing insanity that the left has become. *Belch*

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LOL. Wowsa

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mayflowers

Ann successfully took an interesting discussion about race and turned it into an airhead thread to take the heat off olliesmom. Good job, Ann!

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Ziemia(6a)

Hannity:

Sean Hannity Claims Right-Wingers Were Always Super Nice To The Obamas

Sean Hannity claims he and other conservative voices never “picked on” former first lady Michelle Obama or her children.

On Thursday, Hannity took to the air to defend White House counselor Kellyanne Conway from a sexist joke made by Rep. Cedric Richmond (D-La.); a joke that was denounced by people from both the left and right. But while he was on the topic, Hannity also claimed that he and other right-wing media figures were extremely kind to the family of former President Barack Obama.

In comments posted online by Media Matters, Hannity said:

“Nobody picked on Malia and Sasha, no conservative that I know of. Nobody picked on Michelle Obama except for the stupid statements, ‘for the first time in my adult life I’m proud of my country.’ She inserted herself into the campaign. If she’s going to say something like that then she deserves to be criticized.”

In truth, Hannity and other conservatives repeatedly criticized the former first lady and the Obama children. Last year, he apologized for sharing a fake story on Michelle Obama from Gateway Pundit, a site known for spreading false information. He also complained about the Obama daughters’ spring break trips in 2013, saying taxpayers were funding “their luxurious excursions and much more.”

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deegw

Let's summarize. Yes, Olliesmom said Michelle Obama walked like an ape.

Mimi tried to defend and then deflect and then deleted.

Ann posted photos that were a so subtle way of supporting the racist comments.

Mrskjun finger wagged that talking about race is racist (?) and told us about her bow legged friends.

Margie is sad she missed the chance to support the racists yesterday so she is jumping in with her usual incoherent comments .

Did I miss anything?

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lilacinjust

Let's see...what's missing?

Oh, right. The part where this thread went down the PC rabbit whole and hasn't been on topic for the better part of a day.

A hijacked thread is a dead thread.

RIP, topic.


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queenmargo

Margie is sad she missed the chance to support the racists so she is jumping in with her usual incoherent comments .

Sorry my comments were too hard for you d_gw... who knew, lol

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Ann

Okay, what do what Melania and Michelle looked like in their teens (or their gait, arms, legs, etc. later on) have to do with ANYTHING? Have we reached the nth degree of shallowness here, finally? Good lord.

This comes up periodically as someone's racism leaks out.

I think the showing of anyone's picture when your point is how ethnic they look (and in the shower's eyes that is ugly) is racism personified.

All of a poster's comments, both defensive and offensive remind me of when someone calls in sick to work adding detail and verbiage and come across as nervous is what's happening here. Hence, a poster's many comments.

Racism and how ethnic they look????? This conversation had veered to physical attributes long ago and there is nothing the least bit unusual about physical attributes being discussed about our current first family, every single day in fact. While I'll agree the single term that offended so many was inappropriate (and I didn't and won't use it), the discussion of physical attributes is fair game and very, very common. I don't give a darn what color Melania's, Michelle's, or Justin's skin are. Nothing I said indicated one bit of racism. The biggest problem of racism is from those who are so desperate to cling to it. Most Americans don't give it a thought and have plenty of beloved family members of all sorts of a variety of colors. It's 2018 and why some of you choose to dwell on the days of slavery is beyond me. If you think a person looks "ethnic", purrmich, that's your strange issue, not mine. If you're speaking about Michelle Obama and think she looked like a young black woman when she was one, duh! That's an issue the left is completely messed up about - the rest of America moved past that long ago.


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queenmargo

And now Cindymacs strategically place quote is gone???

Typical

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Ann

Jill, yes I knew of Justin's dad. The way I worded a comment about roxsolid's addition of the Justin pictures brought a reaction from Roxsolid, so I reworded it.

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queenmargo

Ann, she knew, you do not need to explain it again. It just falls on twisted ears.

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Ann

Lol about Michelle on Trump's inauguration day. I watched the whole day with excitement - rather than later viewing a still picture or two. Michelle went out of her way to look and act displeased throughout the day. I think Melania was nervous as heck that day and I also think Michelle did virtually nothing to try to be supportive. In fact, just the opposite.

ETA: My lol point is how far from a single still pic it was!

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Ann

Mayflowers, "interesting discussion about race"? What part of this discussion was that?

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lilacinjust

ann, they do protest too much, don't they? It's a dead giveaway.

You know, it also is quite insulting to POC to constantly portray them as victims and incapable of standing up for themselves. When white people constantly have to throw themselves on perceived swords to protect POC, it confirms their soft bigotry of low expectations.

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Ann

d_gw, there was this part. It was happening at the exact time last night.

"Meanwhile, on another thread, President Trump is currently being called a "disgusting creature" and a "miserable cretin"."

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

African Americans overwhelmingly support the Democratic Party -- like every other group in the US, voting for those that best represent their interests.

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lilacinjust

Ann

d_gw, there was this part. It was happening at the exact time last night.

"Meanwhile, on another thread, President Trump is currently being called a "disgusting creature" and a "miserable cretin"."

^^^^

Trump is constantly being referred to in sub-humans terms, which are usually epithets.

So, we know who sees other people as animals.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

As more and more damning revelations come to light re Trump and friends, supporters of DJT will become more and more frantic. Evidence can be easily seen on Hot Topics. And by the retirements in the House and Senate.

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ann_t

"Meanwhile, on another thread, President Trump is currently being called a "disgusting creature" and a "miserable cretin"."

So? There is nothing racists in those comments. He is both of those things and more.

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queenmargo

nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

African Americans overwhelmingly support the Democratic Party --

Yes, and Diamond and Silk were trying to enlighten them to get off the Democratic Plantation and think how the Democratic party has used them. When media outlets like FB censor that it sure is telling. They wanna keep the black folk in their place nancy, shameful!

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Ann

Mimi, no kidding. The left is so darn determined to try to hold people down. It's weird and it's yet another taken too far tactic. Like still whining about poor, poor under paid women. Who knows, maybe it's because they personally didn't have the fortitude to go where they hoped to in their own careers or lives.

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lilacinjust

Ann, Margie, adopted....raise your hand if you're frantic.

What's there to be frantic about? Tell you what. I can't wait for the Uterus March once and if Pence becomes POTUS.

It's not us who need to be careful what we wish for. You want a real, dyed-in-the-wool Republican?

You just might get one.

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ann_t

A dyed-in-the-wool repub would probably be preferable to the mentally incompetent in office now.

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margievank

And now Cindymacs strategically place quote is gone???

Typical

Typical of you to f1ag. Truth.

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roxsol

“I think Melania was nervous as heck that day and I also think Michelle did virtually nothing to try to be supportive. In fact, just the opposite.”

Lol, so all the years about the relentless attack about Barack Obama’s birth certificate was supposed to be forgotten. And never mind about all the personal twitter attacks. I thought Michelle showed a lot of grace.

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Kathy

FB is cracking down on hate speeches...simple...

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lilacinjust

Oh, forgot about the Evangelical Christian part. Still OK with Pence?

Okeedokee ;-)

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cattyles

Are you saying Trump isn’t a Repub?

I’m confused. Do I hoist myself by my petard before or after falling on my sword? I guess it would have to be after? Well, someone could cut me down and then I could fall on my sword. I don’t want to mess it up.

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Ann

Mayflowers, I do think it inappropriate, but I certainly don't think it anymore inappropriate than calling the president a "disgusting creature" or "miserable cretin". This stuff happens toward the first family every day.

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Kathy

“I think Melania was nervous as heck that day and I also think MR TRump did virtually nothing to try to be supportive. In fact, just the opposite.


He left her behind as he ran up the steps....

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olliesmom

What was Cindymac's quote? I'd love to know. She is so quick to blame others.

eta: guess I posted too late

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lilacinjust

Trump is not a true Republican. No. Most definitely no.

Did you happen to see that omnibus spending bill he signed???

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mayflowers

The left is so darn determined to try to hold people down. It's weird and it's yet another taken too far tactic.

That's why the Dems support Head Start, public schools, and affordable college, right, Ann?

Gotta keep those blacks on the plantation! Which in itself has racist undertones. You're saying that the Democrats keep them docile and happy by throwing freebies at them and they're too stupid to see through it.

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queenmargo

Kathy

FB is cracking down on hate speeches...simple...


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lilacinjust

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What was Cindymac's quote? I'd love to know. She is so quick to blame others.

^^^^^^^^

It's re-posted, in all it's HT rules-breaking glory.

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CindyMac(8b)

Olliesmom, open your eyes.

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roxsol


Jill, yes I knew of Justin's dad. The way I worded a comment about roxsolid's addition of the Justin pictures brought a reaction from Roxsolid, so I reworded it.

I “react”.........Ann “comments”. :)

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olliesmom

As long as the Left keep treating certain people of color as victims, they will always be victims.

It's a psychological approach, if I hear people telling me day after day, year after year, in the past I was not considered good enough, pretty enough, not white enough, not smart enough - whatever else not enough...I begin to think poor, poor me...AND to top it off, the rest of the white world, because we and our kids STILL hear about it...are going to "think" (subconsciously) they aren't good enough-even though of course, they most definitely are! It's a mind-game that the Left will continue to play.

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Ziemia(6a)

Does Houzz have rules here on memes?

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queenmargo

ziemia(6a)

Does Houzz have rules here on memes?

Let me no the answer please. I have not been informed that they are a violation. Many on here have been posting memes.

More far left wing censorship.

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Ziemia(6a)

Totally ignoring someones 'race' or ethnicity denies their history / personal experience.

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olliesmom

I remember memes ferociously starting with President Trump.

So, now you are tired of it zemia?

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Ann

Roxsolid, I specifically used the word react. When you said "Ann....no such thing!", I wasn't sure what feeling was behind that. I didn't know if you were being funny, kind of playful, mad, or what emotion was behind it, so I carefully chose the word react so I wouldn't misinterpret what you meant.

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Ziemia(6a)

Ref my query on memes --- it was in response to this: (emphasis added)

lilac: It's re-posted, in all it's HT rules-breaking glory.

Why does she say it breaks rules?

PS: I remember memes ferociously starting with President Trump. Does this mean memes didn't show up before the campaign?

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catspa_zone9sunset14

While I'll agree the single term that offended so many was inappropriate (and I didn't and won't use it), the discussion of physical attributes is fair game and very, very common.

"Fair game", Ann? Maybe in some circles, but not in mine, nor common as far as I know -- the people around me don't do it, at least. A bad habit, in fact, especially if one interacts with a wide range of people, because it changes the focus from something important and informative, who that person is and what they think and do, to something superficial and frequently misleading, what someone looks like. As many aspects of appearance are also outside of personal control, critiquing someone's physical attributes is not exactly fair and, frequently, unkind.

I don't like to hear anybody's personal, physical attributes discussed and judged by others, including Trump's or Melania's. Irrelevant and small-minded, because what their ideas are and what they do are far more important.

Discussing clothing or decor choices are not in the same category and are "fair game", I think, being reflections of a person's personality.

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mayflowers

How does the left treat people of color as victims?

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ann_t

Well you wouldn't expect Ann to criticize the way Dementia left Melania in his wake so he could get to the top of the stairs first. Oh no, instead she goes after Michelle. I thought that Michelle was very gracious as was President Obama when they had to deal with the gift that Melania had brought with her.

Awkward Gift Exchange

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roxsol

Roxsolid, I specifically used the word react. When you said "Ann....no such thing!", I wasn't sure what feeling was behind that. I didn't know if you were being funny, kind of playful, mad, or what emotion was behind it, so I carefully chose the word react so I wouldn't misinterpret what you meant.

“Comment” would have sufficed.

Anyhow, I felt Michelle showed a lot of class and grace at the inauguration considering the years of Trump questioning the birth certificate of Obama.

I wonder what that was all about?

eta Why did Trump relentlessly pursue it?

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lilacinjust

ann_t

Well you wouldn't expect Ann to criticize the way Dementia left Melania in his wake so he could get to the top of the stairs first. Oh no, instead she goes after Michelle. I thought that Michelle was very gracious as was President Obama when they had to deal with the gift that Melania had brought with her.

Awkward Gift Exchange

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And Laura Bush was even more gracious-actually showing how it's done classy-when she accepted the "awkward gift" Michelle Obama offered to her at the top of the steps. Yes, back when it was Michelle's turn to be nervous with the eyes of the world upon her, Laura Bush graciously smiled and thanked Michelle and didn't search for a camera to make a "wth am I supposed to do with this stupid thing?" face.

Oh, and Laura Bush also didn't go on daytime talk shows to point out Michelle's supposed faux pas, lying about how it was unprecedented, making it seem that Michelle was falling short on protocol before she ever walked into the WH as FLOTUS.

See? No scrunched up face! No, "What the hell do I do with this thing?".

Just welcoming and warm...

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azmom

Ann surely made Melania looks worse when comparing her with Michelle Obama.

Melania was a good looking young girl, so sad she made herself a terrible plastic surgery example that changed her real face. Making living with body instead of brain surely is difficult.

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lilacinjust

Well, they all can't be Laura Bush.

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Ziemia(6a)

Time for someone to share Melania's facial expressions during the swearing in?

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Ann

Ziemia, if we're going to share Melania's expressions on inauguration day, let's most definitely share Michelle's. While it's been discussed here, we haven't posted those pics, but they are plentiful.

Of course Laura was gracious as I'm certain everyone knew she would be. We don't yet know, but I think Melania will be too. We'll find out.

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Ann

Oh, I overlapped with dandy.


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mayflowers

What a bunch of lies, Mimi. Michele made no face for the cameras. She didn't even look at the camera--she was looking for someone to take the gift because official photos were next. She never called it an awkward gift. The media labeled it an awkward moment because they had no idea why Michele was looking around AFTER graciously accepting the gift. The only thing she said about the gift is that it was a lovely silver frame.


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cattyles

You won’t bother me by posting those pictures of Michele on Inauguration Day. Her expressions were restrained as far as I’m concerned. Post ‘em, girl.

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ann_t

And if whatshername had looked more closely she would see that Michelle didn't approach Laura gift out first. She allowed Laura the opportunity to greet her before handing off the gift.

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lilacinjust

ann_t

And if whatshername had looked more closely she would see that Michelle didn't approach Laura gift out first. She allowed Laura the opportunity to greet her before handing off the gift.

^^^^^^

Ah, so that's where Melania went wrong!! Well, it would have been good of Michelle to point that out, instead of singling Melania out as the offensive party, when in fact, Michelle herself presented a gift at the same exact ritual.

Hmm...

Well, hopefully Melania will get the opportunity to go on Ellen and clear the air about things, lest Michelle's lie about breaking some unwritten protocol go uncorrected.

First, outgoing FLOTUSs, don't scowl at a camera after you've been given a gift, mK?


And for the love of...whatever...don't "dish" out another FLOTUS's "faux pas" on a nationally-televised talk show, just so you can get a cheap round of polite applause from the studio audience.

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chase_gw

It's all so damn unfair on both sides. Anybody can take a bad still shot...you should see a couple of me at my daughter's wedding. You would swear I was scowling but I was actually squinting at the sun.

It's much more telling watching the video footage not singling in on stills meant to portray the worst.

Michelle was always graceful and graci