New house layout - advice needed
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Comments (6)Just be careful of... Aisle widths...remember that aisles are measured counter edge-to-counter edge or to/from the items that stick out the farthest into the aisle - whether counters, appliance handles, walls, etc. They are not measured base cabinet-to-base cabinet (if you measure this way, then your actual aisles will be at least 3" narrower than you think they are.) [Minimum aisle widths with no seating on the aisle: 42" for one person working in the aisle at the same time; 48" for two or more. If seating on a work aisle, plan for at least 54".] Corner seating...two seats cannot occupy the same leg/knee space under the counter - so be sure you have at least 39" for each seat on the long end (15" overhang for the seats on the short end + 24" linear space for the seat on the long end). Do you really need 4 seats at the island with the table so close? I would reduce it to 2 or 3 - with no seats in front of the refrigerator. Refrigerator...if it's a counter-depth, then check the depth, most are around 30" to 32" deep, including doors & handles. If it's a true built-in, then it's actual depth will be around 26" to 28" (counting handles). Regardless, it won't be exactly the 24" as shown in your layout....See MoreAn new option has opened to me - Need Overall Layout Advice
Comments (10)eam44, thanks for the pics! I SO wish I could do that! Unfortunately we cannot add any more glass to the back of the house. Apparently the eagles don't like it and zoning laws protect them. Fortunately there are huge windows/glass doors in the dinette and living room. Also, we are slab on grade and moving that plumbing is not in the budget. So alas I"m stuck with it~ And wow, that corner window seat is stunning!!...See MoreNew Construction -Driveway Layout/Design Advice Needed
Comments (33)Let's take this a step at a time, beginning with needed functions. With such a long driveway between main road and house, you will need to: Get your car from the road into the garage; Get your car from the garage onto the road (without excessive backing); Have visitors arrive and depart; Have at least medium size delivery and moving trucks enter and leave your property, as they deliver a new sofa, those new washer and dryer twins, and haul off all the old furniture to Goodwill (and they won't want to back up very much either); Have the local fire department arrive with a medium size pumper in time (and get close enough) to save your house from the BBQ fire on the back patio. This means a thoughtful plan for a variety of vehicles of various sizes and turning radii to enter, turn around and leave your property. From a design point of view what does this mean? First, visit with your local building department and find out their regulations for drives such as yours. Secondly, become familiar with the dimensions and turning radius of the vehicles which will be on your property. Third, work out a reasonable site plan to accommodate all of the above. For example, here's common dimensions for a medium size car to enter and leave a single car garage, without excessive backing: Here's a typical plan with a circular turnaround which works. Not sure why they wanted two curb cuts: Finally, here's the question to which you want to be sure to answer, "Yes!":...See MoreAdvice Needed for New Kitchen Layout (pics and plans included!)
Comments (22)So, I took a look..and I do have some concerns, especially if you try to fit a 48"D island into your space. Your space just isn't wide enough to have that deep an island + decent aisles + space to move around the island. Even a 41.5"D island is marginal. A few things have to be taken into account in your design: (1) You definitely need to have enough room for multiple cooks: "We're a family of four. Two kids, one 5 and one 10. Wife and I both love to cook and share the responsibility equally. Kids will also help out in the kitchen and our oldest loves to bake by herself." This means your aisles really need to be a minimum of 48". It also means you need to have more than one place to prep and, preferably, a water source in at least two locations so you're not fighting over the sink. (Add in someone trying to cleanup or load/unload the DW while others are prepping/cooking, and you're asking for trouble -- especially when your kids are in preteen + teen! (Trust me on this!) (2) Busy traffic in the Kitchen. The Kitchen is in the middle of the path between the Family Room and the Dining Room and, I think, between the entrance (far left) and the rest of the house -- including the stairs that I assume go upstairs to the bedrooms. That area is going to be busy. So, You need adequate aisles to allow considerable traffic + table seating and considerable traffic + island seating. Do not skimp on aisle space (or seating space)! You need a minim of 48" between the island and anything behind the seats (e.g., the stairs). More would be better, but your Kitchen isn't deep enough. (3) Island configuration: Since you need the minimum aisle widths (48") around the island, you cannot fit a 48" deep island. Instead, have a 3 seats along the back and one on the side. Is it ideal, no, but it's better than most I've seen. Your island is then 41.5" deep: 1.5" counter overhang in the front + 24" deep base cabinet + 1" decorative door/end panel on the back of the base cabinets + 15" seating overhang = 41.5" In addition, each seats need 24" of linear space, so only one seat will fit on the 41.5" long side --and-- you cannot overlap seats on a corner, so even skimping on linear space won't work. For 3 seats, that means you need 72" (6'). Your minimum island needs to be 72"W x 41.5"D For your Kitchen size: From what I was able to calculate, it appears the longest part of your Kitchen is no more than 116" + 71" + 19.5" = 206.5" [Note: The 19.5" measurement might not be right, I had to base it on what I saw elsewhere b/c a couple of key measurements were missing on your layout.] The stairs encroach on that, so where the island ends, it's a bit less than 149" The minimum space you need is: 25.5" + 48" + 41.5" = 115" and then add in 33" to accommodate the needed the space b/w the stairs and island = 148" [Why 33" and not 48"? This can be a bit complicated...the stairs are on a diagonal, so a straight line measurement doesn't work. Instead, I had to work with rotated lines to calculate what was necessary to accommodate a 48-inch aisle. If it's too complicated or I didn't explain it well, don't worry about it...you'll see the results in the layouts.] . Layouts.... With all of the above in mind, I came up with two layouts -- I like #1 the best b/c I think it gives you the best functionality, more workspace, and a more open feel. Both have two Prep Zones: (1) in the island with a prep sink and (2) on the perimeter b/w the cleanup sink and range. As you can see, Layout #1 has more space b/w the range and cleanup sink. The sink run of counters and cabinets are 3" deeper than standard. This gives you more storage (especially dish storage) and and deeper workspace. It also pulls the sink 3" farther from the window and window sill so you can easily fit any faucet, clean behind it easier, and minimize window splashing -- without being too far from the window to open it. The base cabinets are 27" deep (If you cannot get deeper base cabinets or they're too expensive, pull standard depth base cabinets (24"D) out from the wall 3" when they're installed.) The upper cabinets are 15" deep (Most lines now offer 15" deep uppers for a reasonable price) The deeper uppers also provide better storage for deeper items like platters or large dinner plates. The counter is 28.5" deep The deeper cabinets & counter also allow you to have a Dish Hutch. A Dish Hutch has a lot more storage than a standard base + upper setup. The upper goes down to the counter and, allows you to utilize the entire height for dishes, glasses, etc. In your layout, it's a 27" wide Dish Hutch. (That means you have an additional 27"W x 18" tall x 15"D = 7,290 cubic inches (about 4.2 cubic feet) of storage.) Other items: The island has a prep sink so the island can function as a Prep Zone (key Prep Zone items are water and counterspace). There's still plenty of open space for baking, doing homework, science projects, crafts, wrapping gifts, etc. The island also seats four people comfortably. Dish storage and the Cleanup Zone are outside the Prep and Cooking Zones -- allowing you to have multiple people working in the Kitchen -- prepping, cooking, baking, cleaning up, unloading the DW, setting the table, etc. -- without getting in each others' way. The MW is on the long counter at the "bottom" of the Kitchen. That space also makes a nice Snack/Tea/Coffee Center and, if necessary, a "tertiary" Prep Zone. While there isn't direct access to water, it can be used in a pinch for prepping. That long space also has additional storage space for pantry items or other needs. I suggest building up the half-wall b/w the Family Room and the Kitchen to at least 42" tall to allow a bit of separation and to block a direct view of the MW (assuming you put it there -- that seems to be the best location. It's at a usable height and has room around it for landing space. The both have a full-height 18" pullout pantry and, in front of the furnace exhaust bumpout, a full-height shelved pantry cabinet 18"W x 9"D. A lot will fit in that 9" deep pantry cabinet! Layout #2 has a 9" Utility cabinet (or another pantry cabinet). The Dining Room In Layout #1 has a partial banquette style -- one long side and one short side are in the corner. The other seats are chairs. It easily seats up to 6. If you have leaves, you might be able to squeeze in a couple more seats, but only if/when really needed b/c it will create aisle/traffic issues. There is plenty of space around the table for seat access. This layout allows you to move the Refrigerator to the other side of the furnace exhaust bumpout. This frees up space to the right for needed counterspace. (This is the primary reason I prefer this layout. It's worth losing the 9" wide utility cabinet -- at least to me.) In Layout #2, the Refrigerator will not fit on the left of the furnace exhaust bumpout, so the amount of counterspace around the range is significantly reduced. To fit the table, there are minimal aisles on the left (36") and top (35"). However, they are not "through aisles", so they should be OK. You'll have to do a bit of squeezing, but with only 4 people, it won't be bad. The important aisles are wide enough. Here they are: Layout #1: Layout #1's Zone Map: . . Layout #2 Layout #2's Zone Map:...See Moresimonahorvat
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