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Bid $140,000 ack! Back to drawing board...layout help please.
Comments (10)Elyse, I am so glad you are at home here. It often feels like a family because we understand each other and value honest-to-goodness quality over flashy bits of less consequence. A handmade gift that you will lovingly treasure and use says a lot about your relationship. I'm glad you like the plan! The Napanee is the baking center. It has all the ingredients, measuring cups & bowls, rolling pins, etc. Elyse & Rhome, I am not sure where the dishes will go. We have just a few. The first and second shelf of a wall cabinet holds all I need. They could go in the cab to the right of the sink, the cab to the right of the cooktops or the end cab in the island. I got rid of my barrier island! Rhome, I though you would notice that right away. :D I could put in a third sink, but that seems like overkill in this size kitchen. Moving the island sink toward the cooktop would decrease the prep space. Kat, I love the image of a jewel box kitchen! Keep the faith for continuing to work on your dream house. Our first remodel was 21 years ago. Our second chance finally came. Yours will too. What has happened is kind of funny. When we began planning this project two years ago DH had uneducated expectations. The kitchen was planned for the middle of the house because the room where the kitchen is now could not be adapted to a new kitchen, and it was isolated from everyone and everything. The room was too small, had too many functions and had too many openings. The estimates from the big box stores were higher than what he hoped would be the entire project would cost. He thought three rooms would need remodeling if the kitchen was moved. If the kitchen was in the back of the house (where it is now), only two rooms would need work. He didn't consider laundry and a way to get into the house from the garage. He doesn't cook or clean or do laundry; how was he to know what I needed? He knows now, I am always saying, ''see, this is why I need a new kitchen''. hehe When the bids came in so high, I decided to take another look at the first idea. I am happier with the simpler plan and the kitchen in the middle of the house. So, we'll see what happens tomorrow. Judy...See Moreconstruction bid: which materials considered 'finishes'?
Comments (17)In the US there is a well established construction industry that uses standards published by organizations dedicated to standardizing the definitions of construction work and the organization of construction information by trade. Without this service sub contractors would not be able to be sure of their responsibilities on a project and you as the owner would not know what you are paying for making a construction difficult or impossible to enforce. Architect's and engineers are taught to use the CSI (Construction Specifications Institute) standard work categories (or some abbreviated variation of them) to organize design and construction information of all kinds like filing systems, estimates, budgets, bidding/construction documents, etc. It not only allows easy retrieval of specific information in the design phase, it allows sub contractors to easily find what their work entails during the bidding and construction phases and allows effective resolution of construction disputes. Unfortunately, builders who design single-family houses for their customers rarely use such standards, preferring instead to use their own individual definitions and categories. Usually these categories are based on a list of "features" like you might find in a sales brochure. This allows the builder and owner to agree on features of the purchase but it would bear little resemblance to what should be used for estimating or for bid documents. So, when you ask about a contractor's definition of "Finishes", you must tell us if you are talking about construction information or sales information. The latter has no standards and virtually anything that is visible in the finished work might be considered a "Finish". The term "Finishes" could then be though of as contractor jargon for "Finished Work". But if you are talking about a work breakdown for an estimate, to be effective and accurate it would need to limit "Finishes" to trade categories like the ones established by CSI in Division 9 and posted above by design professionals. Therefore, it would be impossible to know, and pointless to guess, whether or not a builder might have included light fixtures or cabinetry in a list of "Finishes". To find out you must ask the builder to clarify his statement....See MoreNeed help reading construction bids
Comments (7)Thanks, those were only the items that would fit on the first post. I understand that prices are very location based, but I'm thinking that supplying and installing a sliding glass door (I looked online and it looks like any decent one would be priced about $1K-$1.5K, in our case all of our windows and glass doors will be the Milgard Tuscany line) would be similar in price or installing an outlet shouldn't differ too much across the nation (I understand labor broken down hourly could vary greatly). I will ask the builder to clarify if the cost allotments include the installation but I'm thinking they do b/c he phrased it as "install (1) 8068 SGD. Cost allotment $1,300" for each line item but I just truncated to fit the character limitation here. I believe he's open to us supplying and then he will install and will be asking. He misinterpreted that we want to supply/install more than we actually plan to do so we're asking for a revised bid. ($29,855) Electrical Install: (4) exhaust fans. Cost allotment $200/ea. (44) LED can lights. Cost allotment $80/ea. j boxes for (3) pendants. HO installs and supplies. Ceiling outlets for garage lighting. HO supplies and installs. fan boxes for (8) ceiling fans. HO supplies and installs. wiring for (6) smoke/CO2 detectors. HO supplies and installs. wiring per plan for Data and Phone. (95) j boxes for outdoor lighting. HO supplies and installs. (2) exterior GFI outlets. (28) GFI outlets. (51) outlets. (5) dimmer switches. (42) decora switches. 200 amp Service Panel. Plumbing; ($16,170) Install Sewer, mixer valve and supply to Roll in Shower. HO supplies and installs Shower. Cost allotment $150 on mixer valve trim kit. Install supply, mixer valve and sewer to 3 x 3 Shower. HO Supplies and installs Shower. Cost allotment $150 on mixer valve trim kit. Install Sewer, mixer valve and supply for drop in tub. HO supplies and installs tub. Cost allotment $150 for mixer valve trim kit. Install Sewer and supply for (3) toilets. HO supplies and installs. Install Sewer and supply for (4) sinks. HO supplies and installs. Install sewer and supply to 2 well island sink. HO supplies and installs. Install supply and sewer for Kitchen sink. HO supplies and installs. Install supply and sewer for Dishwasher. HO supplies and installs. Install supply for Refrigerator. HO supplies and installs. Install condensate line for furnace. Install Sewer and copper supply. Install sewer and supply to washing machine. HO supplies and installs. Install (2) outdorr spigots. Install supply for exterior On-Demand. HO supplies and installs. Insulation; ($5,790) Install R-15 Batt insulation in exterior walls of House and Garage. 2,124 sq. ft. Install R-38 Batt insulation in ceiling of House and Garage. 3,666 sq. ft. Sheetrock: ($14,500) Install ½” sheetrock on walls of House and Garage. Imperfect smooth. Install 5/8” sheetrock on ceilings of House and Garage. Imperfect smooth. 11,930 sq. ft. Windows are 3 side sheetrock. Roofing: ($12,894) 50 year landmark composition roofing. 33 squares. Cost allotment $9,900. Install 273 lin. ft. of 5” OG gutter and (9) downspouts. Cost allotment $2,994. Heating and cooling: ($12,250) Install a 15/12/95 split 5 ton American Standard unit. Up to (16) supply and return using R-6 ducting. Hers test and verification Siding: ($18,300) Install 6” lap Hardi plank siding. Install 171 sq. ft. of stone veneer. Cost allotment $19/sq. ft. Trim; None Paint; None Cabinets: None Countertops: None Surround: None Flooring; None Fire Protection: None...See MoreI wish I had known______ (for those who survived/are amid a new build)
Comments (22)1. The idea that competitive bidding a set of plans will save you money assumes you're able to play the game better than much more experienced players. Not likely. Architects will try to convince you that their many-splendored set of plans will safeguard against any overage, but once you've signed a contract, you're at the mercy of the contractor for inevitable changes as well as dealing with errors and omissions on the part of your architect. Yes, architects, like builders, are human. Both make mistakes. 2. There is no such thing as a "perfect" set of plans--at least not without infinite cost. Know that you won't be able to do the elusive "apples-to-apples" comparison. 3. Your architect doesn't purchase construction materials or trade labor as part of their day job. Don't look to them as the authority on what a home will cost to build, particularly in an environment of rapidly escalating costs. 4. No you don't have to go over your budget and you don't need a 20% contingency. You just need to align your expectations with your builder's and choose a builder who does a thorough job investigating the site and estimating. A good set of plans and specs goes a long way toward this end, but refer to nos. 1 ,2, and 3 above. Get your builder on board during the design phase. 5. The m.o. of many builders is to tell you what you want to hear--including the price you have in mind for your project. They'll make the necessary margin to stay in business by a combination of less supervision on your project, lower quality materials, lower quality trade contractors and not servicing your legitimate warranty items. Hey, who doesn't love a surprise? 6. There are professionals whose word is their bond, who value their clients and who take pride in their work. Their "brand" matters. They won't cheat you or do something less than their personal best. You just aren't likely to attract one of them by competitive bidding them against a pool of builders much lower down the contractor food chain. Explore alternatives to competitive bidding to get the kind of contractor you want. 7. HGTV is not a good resource; their shows should be aired on the Disney channel. 8. Consider that you're not the right fit for every builder. Be willing to at least entertain the notion that you may even be the "client from hell." 9. This entry has been intentionally left blank. 10. You don't need to be a subject matter expert in any/all aspects of residential construction. That's what you hire your builder for. Choosing wisely enables you to focus on your day job while you build a home....See Morerobincmon
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