Do miniature roses (Kordana) need full or part sun in zone 10B?
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Rose Recommendation for Zone 10b
Comments (7)Hi, SFL, I don't know how similar Zone 9a and Zone 10b are. I imagine you get NO chill time, and I'm wondering how is your soil? 300 miles is a long way, putting us pretty much in different worlds even in the same state. But I'll give it a shot. The main similarity is heat & humidity!! There's a good small book called 'The Southern Queen: Growing Beautiful Roses in the Tropics' by Latimer C. Farr about growing roses in South Florida. I got mine in a local rose society drawing, and I can't find any for sale online. As to the nematodes, if you're going for HTs and other moderns, they definitely should be on Fortuniana. I grow Tiffany on Fort and two Chrysler Imperials probably on Dr Huey so they're in big pots. Both are on Farr's HT list. I have a very early HT (pre-1895) called Madame Abel Chatenay (own root) which I love, she's healthy but loses her leaves in Jan & Feb. Farr has a pretty long list of moderns that do well down there. Probably your local rose society would be the best source for a list. I don't grow David Austins. Belinda's Dream is a good modern one. She gets very big here. Hmmm, don't they all? Old Garden Roses, especially Chinas, have some resistance to nematodes so they can be grown on their own roots. (I have 100+ roses, mostly own root.) And it has been found that nematodes don't like organic matter and heavy mulch including concrete slabs & foundations, so organics is the route I take for nematode deterrence with OGRs like Teas, Noisettes and polyanthas that aren't 100% China. I incorporate a lot of composted horse manure and pine fines (close to 50%) into the bed before planting and topdress every spring with composted horse manure on top of the old mulch and add new mulch. (I didn't know that clay could be obtained and added to the soil when I did my beds, but if I were starting over, I would try to get some for water and nutrient retention. I don't know what type of clay is preferred.) This year I've started watering daily with a micro system for 30 minutes in the early morning. When I watered every other day, my bushes stayed almost leafless all summer even with thick mulch. So! Which roses? Louis Philippe is the best, a beautiful red/pink flower with cherry candy scent. Easy care, virtually no BS. Another China that I love is Le Vesuve along with Jean Bach Sisley & Old Blush. Teas are great. They love the heat and come in a variety of colors and bloom forms. Some favorites are Maman Cochet, General Schablikine, Mrs B R Cant, Anna Olivier, Duchesse de Brabant, Madame Antoine Mari, and many more. The Bermuda Roses work well. I like Carnation. Noisettes and Tea-Noisettes are generally climbers that like heat and tolerate our humidity. They get fairly huge here. Cile Brunner Spray, LeMarne & Perle d'Or do very well in Florida. I have had less success with Hybrid Musks probably because of my soil pH and they tend not to like heat & afternoon sun. For climbers Don Juan does well enough here but does get BS. Mine is on Fortuniana. I have own root Sally Holmes & Pink Perpetue, both are recommended by Latimer Farr along with New Dawn, Sombreuil & Clair Matin. The short Bourbons in the Souv de la Malmaison clan do well albeit with some BS but have beautiful flowers and extended blooming, and Farr says Maggie does well, too. I found that Maggie got more BS than I could handle so she's gone, but you have to establish a tolerance level for that. Hope this is helpful. I hear the soil in South Florida can be really shallow on top of limestone. What's your situation? Hi, lagomorphmom! Sherry...See MoreWhat is blooming right now, in full sun, in zone5-6?
Comments (17)Sue, I hate to bring this up - I always enjoy discusions about what plants to add to existing plants and I don't want to rain on your enthusiasm - but where are you planning to add these new flowers? Is there more to this bed that's empty or emptier than the bed in your picture. I ask because my Alchemillas are currently as tall as your 3 Endless Summer Hydrangeas and wider. My Endless Summers are nearly as tall as my 4 ft tall fence and 3 ft plus wide. My guess is that in 2 or 3 seasons you'll need to move things out of the current bed. From your pix I'd think that adding a few annuals here and there would add the late color that you're missing. Here's a few old views from my garden - I thought about posting them in the "What is your stupidest garden mistake" post, except I couldn't decide what area to show everyone! LOL 2003 Stone Bench bed. Same stone bench with alchemillas in bloom 2005. Can you find the bench? the mugo pines? the stone path? Alchemillas long gone from bench area. Picture is from 2007. The Lady's Mantle was moved to back side of the 3 trees in this long skinny bed. Alchemillas were replaced by Caramel Heucheras and Strutter's Ball daylily in the center section edged by the stone path. Since the above picture was taken, an alchemilla seedling has seeded itself into the second heuchera and is nearly as large as the heuchera! I haven't figured out how to separate the two - heuchera are really touchy in my garden - and I'm afraid if I pull it and tear the two roots apart (if I can tell which are which) then replant the heuchera - it will promptly die on me. :))...See Morekordana rose
Comments (8)I don't know where you're getting this information that these roses should be kept inside. It's not true at all. Roses, all roses, ALWAYS prefer being OUTSIDE! Roses like very high light levels and humidity. You would not keep your home bright enough or damp enough for them to be happy. You did the right thing and should have no problem wintering them in the ground. I don't know what zone you're in but if you want you can pile some mulch over their bases in the very late fall after a couple of hard frosts for some added winter protection. In the early spring when you see them begin to leaf out again pull the mulch back and prune off any winter damaged cane tips. They should come back with out a problem. Miniature roses are only miniature in the size of the leaves and blooms. The plants themselves will get as large as any other rose. If yours are getting big it's because they are healthy and happy! Keep them watered and feed them some balanced fertilizer once in a while and they'll bloom all summer....See MoreZone 10b: Dog Friendly Ground Covering
Comments (15)Yes, soil is going to make a difference. It's not that hard to DIY it and you can save yourself 75%. Village Nurseries (various locations) sells a turf that looks pretty good. I watched the guys do it on my install and after seeing what they did, I'd do it myself. They took out about 6" of soil, put down about 5" of "road base", tamped it down, then put down a 3/4" layer of some kitty-litter type stuff that they claimed would prevent odors, tamped that down, got everything super perfectly level. Then they laid down the turf and nailed it down with 6" galvanized spikes around the edges. If you have to use more than one piece of turf you flip it over and tape the pieces together with a tape recommended for the product. Then they brushed play sand into the turf, which helps the blades stand up and stay up. Done. I think the key thing is getting the road base perfectly firm and level. If you take your time and are patient and meticulous about that, it just didn't seem that difficult. Luckily I needed soil in another part of the yard so there was no need to haul the removed soil away, which costs $$$. Mine has been in place 3 years and there's still no odor--perhaps a vague hint on a hot day in summer, but no reek. I was worried about that. If your soil drainage is poor it might be more of an issue. I give it a quick hose off when I wash the car. It is going to look good longer in shady areas. It does have UV inhibitors but the sun gets to everything eventually....See MoreAna
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