Thank you for the response. What do you mean by 4-6K?

There are range hood inserts that are made to go into a wood hood. Usually, you order the hood when you order the cabinets and the cabinet company already has most everything figured out, though the exact # of cfms you need (and so which exact insert) will depend on your particular range.

I have a much smaller wood hood over a 30" standard range. I have a very ordinary insert and the cost of my hood, insert and installation was about $1000 - including some DIY.

Sophie is saying that a hood with insert such as you pictured would run $4000 to $6000. Your picture shows a professional style larger range which will need a powerful hood of more than 400cfms. Over that amount of cfms means that the hood will also require "make up air" which will add to the expense but would be necessary with any style hood over a professional style range or high end, high powered range. The number of cfms required is determined by the range.

Thanks for the detailed response. I understand now. I have a 30" electric range so less than 400cfms should be fine based on what I am reading. My bad on the image, mine will not be that big. I am still looking around and reading reviews, but I have the Broan pm390 with the 30" insert in the cart right now.

That is what I have and it works fine for me though it is small potatoes compared to what is usually recommended around here:)

Along with the vent insert there should be a liner. If you look at the bottom of this page you will see various liners that work with the Broan - which one you get depends on the shape of your hood. The liner keeps the inside wood part from getting greasy and helps protect against fire. If this is not clear, let me know. I'll be back tomorrow:)

It IS 4-6K to correctly do the fancy wood surround with the doors and the corbels that actually works with the insert, and meets code for clearance to combustibles, and has a knowledgeable person designing and installing. . Remember that yours is done incorrectly by a handyman.

Thanks Sophie. I do have a Kitchen and Bath contractor I am working with. So they should know what to do. I feel that they did not present many hood options. Like anything else, I just want to make sure I do my own research, and am knowledgeable as well.

Well yes you need an insert but if you can't vent out which I would def try to do, then you need ventless.

I ordered the PM390 Power Pack Range Hood, LB30 liner, and the Broan 357NDK Non Duct Recirculation Kit that sends the smoke through a charcoal filter before it exhausts the air. So it looks like I would have to vent this air back into the kitchen or a soffit based on the installation manual of the 357NDK.

I am still looking for options though. It seems like a completely ventless range hood insert does not exist. Kitchensource.com and many other vendors call these inserts ventilation power packs.

See if your contractor can put in a vent to the outside. If you are near an outside wall it should be doable unless you are in a condo which won't let you do the work.

Absolutely. On the other side of the wall is the exterior of the house. Above is the attic, so it should be easily done. I will check with them to see if there is any issue with that.

That sounds good. You will not need the recirculation kit if you can vent right to the outside.

Why are you buying any of this??? Your contractor should be supplying the appropriate materisls!

Your cabinet maker should be buying the insert. Or telling you which one is compatible with his build approach. What happens if you unknowingly buy the wrong thing? He is supposed to be the expert, not make you try to learn how to be the expert. The entire venting approach should be worked out first, from design to how to get it vented out of the house, before buying anything!

Ditto Sophie and Cooks Kitchen - Need to find out the parameters that your cabinet vendor can provide for the cabinetry around the vent hood insert. If you are buying semi-custom cabinets, then you need to stay within their predetermined sizes to minimize expenses. If you are going with full custom, then it does not matter what insert you use. And make sure to vent it out of the house - no recirculator. And if you are going with an electric cooktop - look at induction.....faster than gas!

Then HE should be supplying the insert, after finding out what cooking appliance goes under the hood. But, the reality is that you should have a KD here designing the entire whole, because neither of you know what you don’t know. And how the whole interacts together. Someone needs to have the big picture, or there are going to be mistakes. And cabinet builders are not necessarily kitchen designers.

Also, you have unknowingly placed yourself in the role of the GC here, and that puts YOU in charge of coordinating the trades and all of the details. Such as the location of the needed electrical for the hood insert. And the size and location of the ventilation pipe, which has to work with the insert chosen, and the chosen route to outside the home.

There are 1001 details that have to be right. Such as, what type of finish coat does the cabinet maker use, and where is it applied? Does he order doors or make them in house? Does the HVAC contractor install the vent pipe, or who? Etc.

Sophie - the OP says she lives in a rural area. Perhaps there are no KDs near by. Not every place has trained and skilled KDs available locally. Can you provide advice if that is the case for the OP?

While you are spending all this money on a hood get a good stove old style electric stoves are done get an induction.I agree with Sophie that a contractor basically does what they are told to do . they are not designers and you need both.IMO a simple stainless hood good quality will save money and look good too.

I do volunteer work with my local H4H and a few other like non profits. Online is bread crumbs as a beginning of a trail, not charity work.

This requires expert in person measurements and interactions. Someone with a clue is going to have to take that role. Neither the OP nor cabinet maker fit that role. Either an acceptance of mistakes and costly redo’s needs to be acknowledged as the likely reality, or the funds to hire someone to consult need to happen. There are less delays and less frustration involved in paying the money for a design plan than to waste it on redos.

Welcome to rural America:)

My countertop guy came from 120 miles away. A farmer installed my hood after calving season. All my farming relatives also have building skills - they have to with farm equipment and outbuildings to constantly take care for. Fortunately the OPs range is on an exterior wall - not rocket science to vent.

My husband travels a few hundred miles a week seeing patients in rural hospitals.

This is how we roll - and I am not even in the most rural part of the state.

haynest - I was going to have my hood made by a local cabinet maker, but he said he was many months out for getting it done and it would be less expensive to get one ready made - so I ordered an unfinished hood in a wood that matched my cabinets and finished it to match my kitchen. The hood itself came with the info of what inserts would fit (The Broan you all ready have) and it came with a liner. If you want information on that, let me know.

Remember that there are fire safety issues involved here. Someone who doesn’t understand those and ordered something that hangs too low into the combustion zone, or an insert that doesn’t fully cover the wood above the cooking zone is going to have issues with an insurance claim should that result in a fire. You can’t just cut a hole in a wood box and stick an insert into it. Which is what many handymen think they can do. It’s a fire hazard. And not all websites will have accurate recommendations based on actual fire safety concerns.

Jhmarie, yup I live in a semi rural area but I can walk one minute out my front door into a corn field. Nothing like chasing wild turkeys away from my bird feeder in the back yard. I was able to get a kitchen designer, but for the reasons this OP is now dealing with I went with a brushed stainless hood. The other nightmare I dealt with was the crew laughing at my requests because they aren’t use to such requests in rural areas.

The usual safety norm is keep the lowest part of any combustable surface (the wood) 30" above the cooktop. Have him build a hood that starts at least 30" up from your cooktop. Don't go too much higher or the vent won't catch the fumes.

I have seen homemade built hoods on Pinterest which are a problem. The owners don't use an insert, just cover a regular metal hood which allows the underside of the wood hood to accumulate grease and the hood often hangs down too low.

Sophie, I’ll rephrase my question. What is a person to do who lives in a rural area without any skilled and trained KDs near by.

I'd find the most knowledgeable contractor in the area, and work with him to download all of the relevant specs for everything involved. That means he needs to understand about HVAC, appliance installs, and cabinet construction and installation. And then have him be responsible for the actual venting and electrical portion and coordinate that with the cabinet maker. You personally do have to do more due diligence on coordinating everything. But, if you find that designer or contractor, and do it together, if something goes wrong, at least you will know that everyone involved did the best that they could and you will share the risk and consequences if it goes wrong.

What you can't do is to turn it all over to someone who has demonstrated that they lack the ability to have the big picture considerations.

So much discussion here!

I looked into a kitchen designer. That does not seem to exist around here. But I will keep looking. I did talk to a business about 60 miles away, but they were only interested in selling me everything they had. No specific design services.

Yes, I have become the GC for sure. I have a whole project workflow that I put together based on research. I hear you, I probably shouldn't have to do all this, but its what I have to do.

@jhmarie, this is how we roll. Cabinet maker is an hour and a half away from me. He is Amish, so when all the cabinets are made I will have to pick everything up, and bring his crew over with all their tools. Going this route is a choice I made after looking at the New Point and whatever cabinets offered from a distribution center an hour away. Thanks for the info, but I should be good. Amish guy had no issues with the hood after I took it over and we talked things through. And yes, the insert is needed for sure. Broan literature has that all over the warnings.

@Sophie, good info on the fire hazard, I did run across such warnings in the Broan literature and through a few other websites. Amish guy does seem to have a good grasp on the codes involved.

@The Cook's Kitchen. Good advice. I got the smartest one for sure, he seems very confident in the plan, and is very helpful. As mentioned a few times, he is not a kitchen designer though. Shared

Many here on this forum have used Amish cabinetmakers and been very happy with the results. I have quite a few pieces of Amish made furniture and they are very well made. I am close to Kalona. Your kitchen will be beautiful:)