IKEA kitchen - how big of a pain will a counter overhang be??

6 years ago

I have found other posts for projects much larger than mine that I'm finding hard to understand so I'm hoping for some simplified answers. I want an overhang on two sides of a small peninsula. I could go down as small as 9" on both sides but I'd like to stay at 11-12. Below is a picture of two ideas I had. The arrow shows the direction that the doors will open out. The cabinet on the seating side (24" wide) will have shelves and open out below. The cabinet on the 'kitchen' side will be a 24" pull out for trash bins. I have designed this down to the last inch so I don't have much room for beefing the walls up with boards unless I go down to 10" overhangs which is not bad but not my first choice. My questions are:

Will I need a board on top of the counter to assist with support?
If I need metal supports will I lose the functionality of the pull out bin because of supports?
Can I use decorative wood corbels? Not my first choice but it seems like it's difficult to use hidden supports with Ikea cabinets.
Is there a choice in countertop stone that would make it easier?
Will the two cabinets facing in opposite directions be an issue?

Here's a picture of two options I designed - any help would be much appreciated!

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6 years ago

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If you use quartz, your overhang will not need additional support unless larger than 15". Granite would be limited to 10". There would be no way to attach appropriate support with either of your current designs as is.

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mama goose_gw zn6OH
6 years ago
last modified: 6 years ago
The NKBA recommends a minimum of 15" overhang for comfortable seating at counter height. The linked thread explains an aluminum tube support system for use with Ikea cabinets, which would work on the long side. If you have only 9.5" available on the short side I'd skip that overhang and have wider base cabinets. GW thread--overhang support

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Kristel Quintana
Original Author
6 years ago
Mama goose, I know about the minimum and wish I could afford the space but 12" is the best I can do. It's definitely meant to me casual seating - conversation more than eating. I agree, I've decided to skip the short side. I think my best bet is to talk to the fabricators and get some advice from them. Even if it's not recommended, I'd still like some kind of support for 12". I can see why so many people are perplexed by this issue. The frameless cabinet style seems to make counter seating a challenge. I want to make sure it's done right.
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6 years ago
You can’t get support onto a cabinet face. You would need to reduce the size of the cabinet facing out and add fillers. You need to anyway, because all cabinets next to a wall require fillers.

You can do 12” in quartz, no problems. With the overhangs that is. The design is another story. You don’t have the correct clearances and aren’t using fillers. It physically will not work without fillers.
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katinparadise
6 years ago
I have a peninsula with two cabinets going in opposite directions. The 24" facing my seating (10" overhang with granite) has two roll out shelves. You'll want to add those just to make it easier to access whatever is in the cabinet. I use it for my Kitchenaid mixer and Instantpot. Next to it is a 36" pots and pans drawer that faces into my kitchen. I have no issues with the opposing cabinets. I had my kitchen designer add two fake door panels on the back of the 36" cabinet to make the door for the 24" cabinet less conspicuous.
Anthony C
6 years ago
last modified: 6 years ago
we have spec'd something similar with a bar height peninsula. We have drawers under a 6 inch overhang which means access to the drawers is somewhat restricted. We have doors under the drawers with rolling shelves underneath. We plan to use the doors to hold liquor and the drawers to hold barware related items that we dont need that often.

I have sat at a counter height island with a 12 inch overhang and it was fine. Keep in mind people will kick your doors over time though.

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