insulation for a new basement renovation
Warren Tania Milko
6 years ago
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About to start my basement - vapor barrier and insulation Q's.
Comments (5)The most expensive but best insulating process is closed cell spray foam. For a large space, with ten foot ceilings it might be no more costly than board insulation. XPS is more labour intensive. For NYC, I'd use t&g 4'x8' x1" boards; if you can't find those, then use 2'x8'x1" t&g. Seal all the joints with building tape--Tuck and Tyvek and two popular brands. I've not used sealers, but a building writer whose information I've always found to be sound, swears by Drylok. (I assume this is not a rubble or brick foundation.) The advantage of steel framing is it's neater to put up (no sawdust) and there are no subsequent nail or screw pops. However, as it's sensitive to moisture, I'd have the baseplate resting on strips of XPS not only to create a thermal break but to keep it away from any minor floods that may occur. Since one inch of XPS is R 5, I always add high density fg batts, adding another R 15. No vapour barrier is necessary, though if this is a permit job, the inspector may insist on one. It wont' hurt anything. (See Building Science links in my first post.) After two years, a number of tiles cracked at pressure points on a brand new home I built. And that's with the tile on top of at least 10" of reinforced concrete and power tamped gravel. Since then, I figure it's a lot cheaper in the long run to use an uncoupling substrate such as Ditra. (If you dont', be sure to keep a lot of extra tiles just in case.) Ditra and cement add maybe 3/8" extra to the flooring height. NYC labour. My condolences!...See Moreinsulating outside basement walls new construction
Comments (9)you don't need to insulate below the frost level I don't know your Code off-hand. That may be acceptable. But from the view of long-term cost efficiency and comfort, it makes more sense to insulate to the floor. And maybe even under the floor. I'm assuming the basement will be finished. Especially if you're planning to keep the basement above 50ÃÂF. in the winter. Without insulation, you stand a good chance of getting condensation on the concrete from air currents in the finished wall. Overkilling the wall with insulation for the first four feet (R 50+) then forgetting about the bottom two or three feet is rather odd. Insulating only the band, as you suggest, makes no sense and is likely not Code compliant. In any case, using exterior foam presents an insuperable problem on a masonry veneer home. Thermal bridging with masonry veneers negates the benefit of exterior insulation altogether. As well, unless the exterior insulation is meticulously protected before and after construction, it will be degraded. But, fatally to my mind, even if you get exterior insulation to work thermally, you've provided an interstate for termites. And, in Chicago, you've got them. I've been a licenced builder in Toronto for 20 years. After fiddling with different systems, now I insulate the basement on the interior with: 1" XPS followed by fg batts; or with cc spray foam to Code minimum or followed by fg, I have the key joist band area sprayed with cc or oc foam. Other acceptable alternatives include EPS (it has to be much thicker than XPS), isocyanurate boards or fg with Membrain vapour barrier. Here is a link that might be useful: Building Science Corp on basements...See Moreinsulating under basement floor-styrofoam insulation?
Comments (10)Hi illinigirl, The standard insulation used under basement floors is rigid insulation (XPS -- extruded polystrene). It comes in 2 inch thick often blue pieces of styrofoam. Dow manufacturers it among others. It is not spray foam. We used it in our build -- we are in southern Canada. The labour to lay the rigid insulation sheets was not high. The guys had to dig away a bit more gravel so the basement ceiling level was not compromised. They used the red tuck tape to attach the sheets to each other. This allowed the concrete flat workers to pour the floor with wheel barrow loads. I am not sure yet what a difference it will make as we are partway through our build. We have hydronic in-floor heat that was just turned on for the basement level. The floor is wonderfully warm (mostly due to the in-floor coils). We were required by code to place the rigid insulation because of our planned in-floor heat. Otherwise, I understand, the heat from the coils would not just heat upwards and instead would have been wasted heating underground? We did place the rigid insulation around the perimeter of our our unheated garage. I will go and step on the parts of the garage floor that have the insulation vs the parts that don't to see if I can detect a big difference and report back. Our architect spec'd for this rigid insulation under the basement slab. At the time, we had not planned for the in-floor heat. In other words, he felt it was a good practice even without in floor. The rigid insulation sheets are not cheap. We paid $25.00 a sheet (each one is 2 feet by 8 feet). We are in Canada where everything seems pricier. You can calculate the area needing coverage and see how much your builder is charging for labour vs material to help you decide if the price is reasonable. Don't forget the tack tape is also not cheap. Best of luck. Carol...See Moreinsulation in basement
Comments (39)Thanks. I think I’ll go with the installation in this picture. I found some 2.5” XPS at $23/4x8 sheet. Then i was going to use pressure treated lumber for the 2x4 framing followed by the gypsum sheets. I noticed this picture has 1x3 furring strips as opposed to 2x4. Do you prefer one over the other? Also should I know gypsum should be installed at least a half inch off the cement. Is that necessary as well for the framing? The picture makes it look like they did it for the studs as well. Thanks....See Moremike_home
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