Small Master Bath Remodel, Curbless Shower Help
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Comments (13)My master bath used to be 4'x8'. I demo'd two bathrooms that were back to back and stole 1.5' from the other to make it 5.5'x8'. >I would like to know from others who renovated a small master bathroom from an older home if you were able to "find" space and make it appear bigger, gain space by using small vanities, etc. Our toilet is in a bump out so that the door--on one of the short ends--can open. This was original to the house. Now, it's just a shallower bump-out, 1' instead of 1.5'. We're using the full depth of that 1' for a wall cabinet, which will be 48" tall x 28" wide. This gives us a place for the humidifier, my box 'o Ace bandages/splints/etc, the cleaning bucket, and all the linens for that bath. Our medicine cabinet will be recessed. It back up to another medicine cab, which must have a light above, so it has sconces. There is a 10.5" gap between the door frame and the wall. We found a 10" deep cab that we're filling back there. Our vanity is actually a full 36". Part of it is 21" deep, and part is 18". We found a brand that looks nice but packs a huge amount of storage into the space. To put in the wall cab, we had to replace the toe-kick heater with a towel warmer, due to space constraints. Our colors will help open the space. The 66" tub will have frameless sliding doors. The walls and floors will be patterns of white with a light gray grout. There will be tile wainscotting to 40" in patterns of white, and the ceiling and substantial crown molding will be white. The walls will be a medium blue-green, but so little will be visible that it'll function as just an accent color. We can't steal space from the walls except for the medicine cabinet because it backs onto an outer wall. If it weren't for that, our 10" cabinet would be 14" deep, inset into the wall. With an 18" vanity, you'll have plenty of room to feel comfortable, even though 21" is murderous. At 4' depth, our 17" sink was bad, but an extra 6" would have made it okay. Our hall bathroom is now 8'x5.5', with a bite out of it where the toilet is for the master bath's toilet to have room with a swinging door. We stole space in that bathroom outrageously! A cabinet above the toilet, which is 8" deep, is recessed 4" into the wall (3.5" stud plus wallboard). I made two other in-wall cabinets, each about 14"x12", interior. One will be hidden behind a picture frame, so only one will be noticeable. I also but a HUGE medicine cabinet above the vanity, which is only 28" wide but packs in 6 drawers and even a shelf in the plumbing space--and looks nice, too. We couldn't recess that cabinet because the one backing it in the master bath is recessed. The lower in-wall cabinet will hold the first aid kit, while the upper one will hold meds that we use but not regularly--cold meds, etc. The medicine cabinet will hold all daily use things that don't fit in the drawers--even the kids' toothbrushes and tooth-brushing cups aren't going on the counter, which will have just the bathroom clock and the soap, and that's it. On the back of the toilet bowl is a kleenex box holder. In the tub area, I don't use regular shampoo bottles but travel-sided ones with really small openings to make it easier to get just a little shampoo or conditioner, even, and the toys are in a cute plastic frog toys scoop on the wall. Clear glass shower doors--when they arrive--will also help keep it open. I can't emphasize enough the importance of not having stuff sitting out to making a space look larger. Nothing makes a room feel small like a lot of stuff just cluttered around. The mud will only be in the shower. The rest will be sheetrock--the size of the room you have is what you get! In your case, if you REALLY can't move any walls (I'd want a tub in there!!!), I'd indulge in some creative thinking. Your bathroom is 4.5x9' total, which REALLY isn't horrifically small. (Remember that mine was 4x8....) I'd start with the shower. I'd stay in the same footprint but do a Kerdi shower so the threshold could be SUPER narrow--just 2". That gives you a good 2" of apparent interior space in the shower, plus likely another .5" of width without the mud base. Recessed niches are a MUST. Too big is better than too small! I'd get a frameless shower door--almost goes without saying in this setting. I'd do wainscotting to 40", continuing over the top edge of the vanity--this is a kind of "special effect," because unless you paint the upper part of the wall a dark color, it tricks the eye into believing there's more space. Continuing just those 4" behind the vanity makes a big difference, here. For the flooring, I'd do either a small mosaic OR 12x12" or larger, and the 12x12" should be on the diagonal. A "rug" effect actually makes a small room seem larger if the rug part has diagonal lines and the border is small. For the ceiling, crown molding make it seem higher as long as the molding and the ceiling are both white. Painting the ceiling any color but white lowers it in comparison to white. Use hooks rather than rods. They make the space seem bigger and stick out less. I designate a minimum of two hooks per person--one for a towel, one for a robe. The back of the door is a good place to hang things. Use art--and use it strategically. A properly-sized picture can make a space seem larger, and you can use it to hide another recessed medicine cabinet. With a .5"-deep frame, you can have 4.5" shelves. Extra TP, first aid stuff, and irregularly used meds can be stored there. Recess the medicine cabinet, if you possibly can, and make the mirror as WIDE as possible for maximum reflection. I'd commission a custom vanity for the space, and I'd use an undermount sink or would install a square vessel sink in an apron-front manner, like this: http://www.overstock.com/Home-Garden/Kraus-White-Rectangular-Ceramic-Vessel-Sink/3250161/product.html You have 42" of space, which is plenty for quite a nice amount of drawers plus a good-sized sink. If you used the sink above, you'd have, with a frameless design, 10.5" for drawers on either side. Make the cabinet kitchen counter height and have two shallow drawers and a deep drawer, and you can still have 8" of open space at the bottom. Even a bun-foot design has less visual weight than going all the way to the floor. Under the sink, add a shelf directly under the plumbing to make a shallow extra "landing" for a small container of things. The one thing, in my bathrooms, that I want space for and don't have is dirty clothes. But as far as everything else, I have MORE storage than I know what to do with! I have space for a cleaning bucket in each bathroom, for all our meds, for my makeup (and plenty of space for kid makeup, when the time comes), even for the Drano, for linens in my bathroom, for tons of bulk storage (extra soap, extra lotion, extra hair products, etc.). We have so much space that the counters can be basically bare. AND far from looking crowded, our hall bath strikes people as much larger than its square footage....See MoreGetting bids for small master bath remodel--help...
Comments (19)Second GC came by this AM-- much more laid-back and casual than first guy-- got him from Angie's List and had very good reviews but he brought nothing except a business card--no list of references, no generic copy of contract, no list of their subs or any sources they use... he was nice but a little unsure about the "professional" aspect... He said that he thought moving the toilet 12 inches to gain more shower room in its current location wasn't very practical for the money/use tradeoff since it would be difficult to enlarge the shower w/o cutting off the space needed to come into the bathroom...he said they could move the back wall of the shower down about 6 -8 inches and all space for a niche to hold shampoo and stuff which would help open up the interior standing space. The first guy thought it was doable but expensive but haven't seen his sketch/diagram for what room would look like if that was done... After talking to both these guys my husband is more open to just taking out the tub entirely vs putting in a 5ft tub (maybe a jacuzzi version)... which surprised me a good deal since he was adamant about it before they came... Our daughter on the other hand says she really misses not having a tub in their master bath and would never give one up... If we put the shower at the end where the tub is, it could be a nice, walk-in 4x5 shower and make a great focal point in the room... we could also turn the shower location into more storage and have some nice (rolling) laundry hampers added so I don't have to use closet space for dirty clothes--I don't like that... How many of you would be willing to trade in a tub you don't use--as least we don't--for a nice larger shower? Photo shows the entrance into wet area from the hall w/dual sinks--...See MoreHelp needed - shower layout for small master bath with dead corner
Comments (3)Thanks @Patricia Colwell -- we came to that conclusion as well re: the toilet. We've decided to go with glass for the full wall to keep it open and eliminate the pony or full wall. @Paul NY 5b-6a - agree, only 32" for the fridge! Not sure why they marked 40 initially. Even though it makes for a silly jog, we want to keep the deeper fridge. Pantry will only be ~24" deep for that exact reason - we'll likely put a linen cupboard in the hall bath that backs up to that space. Updated floor plan for the bath attached. We'll use the "dead" space for a couple niches (shaving + soaps), and maybe put some little shelves on the side wall facing the toilet or something (I'll leave that to the designer). Thank you both for your help!...See MoreSmall Master/Primary Bath Remodel
Comments (8)I get it. We are in a similar situation where we are debating on whether we should add an additional full bath or just wait a bit. For your current area/room, could that be a sort of dressing room with a tall mirror and small chair for putting on shoes in order to replace the makeup vanity? Especially since that area is next to your closet. Then just renovate the bathroom area (and add a double vanity to it) like you mentioned....See MoreGN Builders L.L.C
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