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Rose Garden Factoids

Kes Z 7a E Tn
6 years ago

I'm a little depressed. It's a gray day, it's too cold to work outside and a long time till spring. I thought it might be fun to share odd little bits and pieces of information only true for our own gardens and considered ridiculous anywhere else.

I'll start.

All my China roses need to face east. If they don't, they won't grow, or grow backwards and die. Why? I have no idea. As a result, my pink rose bed is now also my China rose bed. My China roses are pink but not the same pink as each other or the other roses. And so...

If you have many shades of pink in close proximity, a Gerrie Hoek dahlia will help them play well together. GH is an older waterlily dahlia that has both warm and cool pinks with just a touch of lavender and yellow. Dahlias can be a little too enthusiastic here. They need a strong stake and someone who will pick them. So it's also a good flower for granddaughters who like to make bouquets.

Tea roses here like all day sun and perfect drainage- no surprise. I've found that desert and dry land wildflowers also thrive and grow well with teas. Agastache aurantiaca and cana, columbine, salvia and penstemons look lovely with teas. I also grow a form of calylophos as a groundcover. These all have the advantage of attracting hummingbirds, butterflies, bees and other beneficials. Even better, deer hate them.

I have a found that roses that have Cecile Brunner in their near ancestry will do quite well in my no spray garden. I've even chosen a rose because of it. Yet I do not grow CB and I'm not sure I ever want to.

I had an fern that had previously done well but was now looking bedraggled with broken and brown ends on some of the fronds. I couldn't figure out why. Then one day I watched one of our foster Shelties, Mollie. Every time she walked by that fern, she gently reached out and bit off the end of a frond. Mystery solved.

How does your garden grow?




Comments (21)

  • ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
    6 years ago

    The wonder of my garden is that anything grows here at all, and that's become increasingly true since I've begun to feel the effects of climate change in the last few years. The solar radiation has vastly increased, and my property with lots of hardscape and huge rock formations makes it that much worse. The soil, if you want to call it that, is decomposed granite, and even drought-tolerant plants don't do well here. The only reason anything survives is that I'm still able to give the garden a reasonable amount of water, although that may become a problem in future years with the increasing drought.

  • User
    6 years ago

    I'm sorry you're a bit down with the weather, I know what that's like, but it's not too bad here and I've been out putting some roses in and generally getting on with things now it's a bit drier...

    My garden grows alright, except I have one major issue that plagues me more than anyone else around here. From April - August, although I see it as early as February and as late as October, I am invaded by a weed which is a relic from the Carboniferous period, a great survivor and I have to admire it for that. I doubt a nuclear weapon would get rid of it. Roundup is useless on it unless repeated applications year after year, and grow nothing in the area until it's thoroughly poisoned.

    It is called Field Horse Tail Weed or Equisetum arvense, often mistakenly called Mare's Tail [which is a different plant], and second only to the dreaded Japanese Knotweed, which if I had that I would have to consider throwing myself under a bus, but what I have is bad enough. It seems to grow about a foot overnight, appears in clusters right in the middle of plants, especially roses. It enjoys rich moist soil on an open site. It's inhibited only by dense growth, especially shade from trees.

    My neighbours have it too but only half of what I've got, because I enrich the soil so much, it makes a beeline for my garden, and has spread all along a border in the back and is even trying to get to my front garden, which thankfully is clear of it so far. I think it's trying to spread underneath the house as a quick route to the front.

    To garden without this weed would be heaven. Maybe I'll get there one day, but for now I put up with it and try to pretend it isn't there, but it costs me half an hour every day pulling it out for 4 months. I try hard to make sure it's not visible in any of my photos, although some people think the weed is rather..erm.. fetching?..

    Apart from that, all is well...


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    Anyway, I have made some progress on about 10 feet of that 60 foot long bed. Good feeling - hope to get more done tomorrow.

    Jackie



  • titian1 10b Sydney
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    Cath, I think the wild onion you describe is what we call onion weed here. I have finally (fingers crossed) found a way to defeat it. I paint undiluted glysophate (generic name for Roundup, but you can get it stronger as glysophate, and cheaper), on the leaves. For years, I have dug it out, only to create dozens of new ones, which I never got to in time. I also, (if I can't be bothered getting the glysophate at the time), pull off any flower heads I see, because they create hundreds of new ones. I had it throughout a whole bed at the beginning of the year, and don't think I have any in that bed now, AND the glysophate hasn't killed anything else, which, as there's catmint throughout, I thought was bound to happen, but I had gone past the point of caring. It didn't take me long either. I am thrilled, if you can't already tell!

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  • Plumeria Girl (Florida ,9b)
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Well, I don't know the names of any weeds. But one plant that grows very pretty thinking it was a huge weed. Well, not knowing about it. I try to remove it once. It grew back so, I ask and ask around. My daughter loves the colour. It was pink than after 1 year I stubble upon that 'weed' among other weeds. It was 4 o' clock plant. Last year, it did not grow. I don't know why maybe it never reseed or my dog Riddick really kill it. So, I saw seeds at Home Depot but not the sweet pink color that grew here. I am hoping it will grow back.it has a beautiful scent . Another , grows called rain Lily. It grows among the grass. I hired a lawn mower guy and he always cut it. So, that is gone.the flowers blooms when it rains only. The whole yard has pink flowers and it is very pretty.

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  • Melissa Northern Italy zone 8
    6 years ago

    I got fed up today with cleaning up after December's ice storm and haven't done much but admire the cyclamen. We've had C. hederifolium and C. cilicium for years, both seeding and spreading, then fall before last I bought C. coum, which went unwatered through ten months of so of drought and a very hot summer. It survived! Four out of six or nine plants are in leaf, and one is blooming. I want to try more cyclamen species.

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  • Plumeria Girl (Florida ,9b)
    6 years ago

    Air potatoes plants a total weed. It is killing my tree by shed.



  • Plumeria Girl (Florida ,9b)
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    A tree that died from Air potato plant which the bugs killed. But new shoots growing over it.

    that is a potato in my hand.. zillions I have to rack or t grows

  • Melissa Northern Italy zone 8
    6 years ago

    This thread obviously touched a nerve. Kes, I forgot to mention that I love dahlias! and am too lazy to grow them! So, my compliments for your efforts. I do understand about the frustration of being stuck inside. Good luck in better weather so you can get outdoors and back with your plants! I enjoyed your factoids. Also you reminded me that I need more salvias, and not least because the deer hate them. My helper dug holes today that are intended for lavenders (which are intended to annoy the deer), but I was looking at other empty spots and wondering what to fill them with. Salvias would be perfect.

  • jacqueline9CA
    6 years ago

    Titian 10b - thank you, thank you, for the advice about how to get rid of wild onions (aka onion weed)! After I posted yesterday, I went back to that same bed and found that they were all over in about half of it. I first noticed them years ago, 3 houses down the block, on the strip of land between the street and the sidewalk. Unfortunately, the street storm gutters run downhill from that area, past our house, and several years later, we started noticing wild onion in our strip between the sidewalk and the street. I did not realize how invasive they are, so we dug them up, which evidently just helped them spread. I will definitely try your system of getting rid of them - it is so helpful to know that someone, somewhere, has found a strategy which works!

    Melissa - I recall you posted about your ice storm, but I don't think I understood the extent of the damage when I read your post (perhaps you did not yet either). What a mess! Good luck with your cleanup - it sounds exhausting.

    Jackie



  • mariannese
    6 years ago

    Marlorena, if you want to have another go with Roundup on the horse tail you must crush the stems before applying Roundup (banned in Sweden for gardeners BTW) or inject it into the stems. I have it too but I pull it out whenever I see it and when I give up, it's a lost cause anyway, I trust an old nursery owner who claimed that the deep roots were good for loosening the soil and the silica content added an extra nourishment to the soil.

  • User
    6 years ago

    Marianne, thanks. I don't use chemicals, there's just too much of it. I'm surprised you have it too, I didn't know it was in Sweden.. it gets everywhere..

  • cathz6
    6 years ago

    Titian, Roundup comes in different concentrations. Do I understand you correctly that you use it undiluted (I too paint it on the leaves). If so, what concentration is the one you use, that is, how much water is it supposed to be mixed with for normal use?

    Cath

  • Rosefolly
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Don't waste your time.

    Horsetail is immune to Roundup. Certain primitive plants don't react to it at all - liverworts also come to mind.

    These are not so-called superweeds that have developed resistance over time, but instead plants that were always immune or highly resistant right from the beginning.

  • garden nut z9b
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Most things do ok in my yard. I do have a small spot where roses struggle and possibly other plants too. I tried a couple different roses and they never thrived.two of them did a lot better when I moved them. a few feet from that spot is a healthy iceberg that blooms well. So I’m not sure the exact reason why things struggle in that spot. The one major weed I deal with throughout the season is the grandpa ott morning glory seedlings. I like the look of morning glories but they reseed too much for me. I’m going to try something like mandvella or clematis next season instead of morning glories.

  • titian1 10b Sydney
    6 years ago

    Cath, I use glysophate 360. The dilution rates are 5ml, 10ml or 15ml per litre depending on the weed. And yes, I use it undiluted and paint on the leaves. My sister-in-law used to use undiluted turpentine, and she reckoned that worked, but I haven't tried it. I did the bed that was rife with it around 3 months ago, and when I checked again today, there were none.

    For other invasive weeds like Madeira vine and the climber whose name I don't know, I scrape the stem as low as I can get to on the plant, and immediately paint on undiluted glysophate too. I was advised to do this by a woman who works in bush regeneration - ie native plants. It works!

  • Karen Jurgensen (Zone 4 MN)
    6 years ago

    I love threads like this. I had no idea things like potatoes could be invasive weeds. Here in the north, a lot of our Southern neighbor's worst nightmares can't stand the deep freeze. The worst offenders in my garden are a type of nightshade (with young children and a collie I'm always trying to pull it out, but it can spread from neighbor's yards) and this mystery annual wild pea that has a relentless grip on my southern and eastern bed. It's a very pretty tiny blue flower, but I cannot get rid of it, it gets everywhere, and drives me nutty.

    In my garden, the most exciting thing right now is tracking the rabbit's movements through the snow in the yard. They are on constant prowl for winter food. They do all my raspberry cane pruning for me, and of course will happily devastate the roses and honeyberries, if given the chance.

  • Rosefolly
    6 years ago

    Everyone sounds so industrious as they battle their pernicious weeds!

    I have been mostly working inside the house. For days I have been sorting through closets, bookcases, sewing/knitting stash, photographs. I'm decluttering and donating, or in the case of photos, putting into albums and discarding the rest. Every so often I feel weighted down by Things I have mindlessly accumulated. I do want the things I really want; I just don't want the ones I merely have. Funny how they sneak in!

    I pruned and weeded some parts of my garden in November before we went to New Zealand. There is definitely more that needs to be done, and I will get to it, but possibly not in a timely fashion this year.

    Rosefolly

  • cathz6
    6 years ago

    Titian, thank you for the more detailed information. I will try it!.

    Cath

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