At 16” the overhang still needs support. I think 10” is the max without.

You'll still need support at 16" I was told 12" is max overhang w/o add'l support for solid surface (granite, quartz, etc.)

Why are you opposed to supports? You won't even see them.

Don't want to get too distracted on the support. The bigger question for us is if we should go with the row seating option or the L seating.

I prefer L seating. Better for conversation and connection with the others at the bar.

how much space do you have between the end of island the the back wall where the pocket door is...if you do an L you will have less walking space vs the all back seating......that might help you decide.

L-seating is a great idea. Something to consider is how knees will fit in the L-shape. Using the sizes of 24" elbow space and 15" knee space, in either confirmation, you probably can't have the 15" cabinet (see attached image). Also worth thinking about if you do end up having supports, where they'll go relative to people's knees.

I have the all in a row seating on my island. I had the option to do an L shaped seating configuration and If I had the chance to go back and do it again, I would go with the L shaped seating. First, it's more conducive to conversation amongst those seated, and second, if you have seating down the left side of the entire island, won't there be a pinch point between a person seated at the end and that stub wall (near the dishwasher area). Even with that corner being a cabinet, it will be tight -- why does that wall come out that far?

Answering questions..

Sink placement - It will likely be centered. I have so many iterations of the kitchen. I grabbed this one to post. We were deciding between the off center sink and moving one cabinet over, but the centered sink with more storage by the dishwasher won out.

For the knee space - i think it will work out. Instead of 2 cabinets, we can do one 30in cabinet. Seating arrangement would be the first picture you posted. That would give the extra inches to get to the 63in needed.

Behind the seats on the short side, there is 44in of space. I'm assuming that should be enough. Anyone cooking would still have easy access to the pantry. And that much space does allow someone to get by.

Pinch point - Not much we can do about that wall, it's the entry into the house and we need that to separate the entry. The distance in the current diagram is 43in. from corner to corner at the shortest point. One idea that was brought up is to cut off the island at the corner to allow more space, but we're not sure how we feel about it. We could then put in an angle cabinet.

We do like the "L", we have some L seating now and it is convenient. And even though i think there is space it does seem a tighter fit than the row configuration.

There is also the lingering question of whether the 50in wide island will feel too big in the space.

You’ve got several issues here. Pinch points on the island corners and wing walls. The diagonal clearances here are an issue. You can not have as large of an island as you think you can. No fillers against walls. You need to account for that in your overall measurements. No accounting for end panels, back panels, required support structures, or required electrical, on the island.

The island is the big issue here. An island is much more than just st some cabinet boxes screwed together. All of those engineering and systems considerations have to be designed into it correctly. And they all take up space that you are not accounting for properly.

Sophie Wheeler - I agree we’re not accounting for everything but I only get printouts from the kitchen designer so it’s a bit easier to move things around in the layout when i redraw it (with some loss of detail). With regard to the overall configuration do you have a recommendation vs the options of:

1 - ~50in wide island with row seating ,

2 - ~50in wide island with L seating ,

3 - ~50 in wide island with L seating but cut a diagonal in the lower left corner giving more space between the corner of the island and the wall that comes out.

4 - Narrower Island, ~40in wide, row seating.

( or other suggestions )

Thanks!