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Black Baccara or Twilight Zone?

6 years ago

Anyone in Zone 5 grow either or both of these roses? I'd like to get a dark red rose. Hardiness and disease resistance is key. Also, I've never ordered from Edmunds. They carry both roses. If you've ordered from them this year, please share your experience. Thanks!

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seil zone 6b MI

6 years ago

Black Baccara is a very deep velvety red and blooms fairly well for me. It's pretty vigorous and winter hardy also. However, those blooms are very small in size. Think more miniflora than floribunda. It does black spot for me too.

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Lynn-in-TX-Z8b- Austin Area/Hill Country
6 years ago
I am in a different zone, but Twilight Zone has never been dark red in my garden. Purple to fuschia. Sorry I cannot be of more help.
Dingo2001 - Z5 Chicagoland
6 years ago
Edmunds is good, I've ordered from them the past 3 years. I have TZ, it's more of a dark purple type rather than red. I seem to remember BB needing spray here? There was some reason I didn't get it. That greenhouse in Volo - Hoffman's? - had Ink Spots last year, it looked pretty good and I don't think they spray. The darkest ones I have are Dark Desire and Munstead Wood. Let me know how it does if you get BB!
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