US-852 hardy Citrandarin
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Comments (117)I live in Utah zone 6b - 7a fluctuations. Last winter I grew a 6 inch tall tiny 'Prague' chimera citrus outdoors in-ground in a micro climate next to the south wall of my house. Temperatures dropped as low as 15 F. This tree was heavily mulched with wood chips and caged in poultry wire with a plastic tarp wrapped around it. From December 20 to Jan 15 I surrounded the cage with old milk jugs that were repeatedly warmed in the micro-wave around midnight any-time temperatures dropped below 20F. Not only did the 'Prague' tree survive the winter without defoliation but the citrus has tripled in size this year of 2022. Additionally I grew a 2 foot tall 'Nippon' orange-quat with the same procedure and the Nippon pushed out beautiful new growth last spring and is fruiting for me this year although it suffered some defoliation and 1/3 of the old leaves look damaged. I was able to harvest some fruit from 'Nippon' last December and successfully germinated a dozen seeds. Additionally both of these trees have survived summer temperatures up to 107F. The Nippon suffered some scorch in the most exposed leaves. I intend to continue growing 'Prague' and 'Nippon' citrus tree in the ground and espalier them against my home each winter as they mature. Due to my recent success I intend to also try a very cold hardy tangerine hybrid the same way. All of these citrus are grafted to Poncirus 'Flying Dragon' root stock. Good Luck Howard! Most of the folks bragging about growing a citrus tree in a cold zone are from zone 8 so I think growing citrus in the ground outdoors in zone 6or 7 takes effort and is something to be proud of. Keep trying! You will figure something out....See MoreBest Hardy Substitute for Lemon Juice: Thomasville vs Ichang
Comments (19)Thank you all so much for the input, appreciate it. I think I am more interested in knowing the specifics of the fruit traits. I want to use as a lemon/lime/Seville sour orange substitute for the juice for salad dressings, drinks, seafood seasoning. I can definitely wrap it up in burlap and such even xmas lights for the first couple seasons or bring it indoors like the rest of my citrus the first couple winters. Eventually though I want to plant it in warm microclimate spot I have for it in zone7a. I assume all these have fragrant blossoms typical of citrus which is also a requirement? I did get to speak with Mckenzie farms forgot to ask if these all have fragrant blossoms or if any stand out for blossom fragrance. I think Ichang may have the largest and most fragrant blossoms. But the others should have fragrant blossoms too? So basically the most important thing to me to is: juice quantity, juice quality (no offtastes/bitterness/astringency or extremely little), and blossom fragrance. Here are my notes based on sleuthing: Yuzu- Only real problem is here is juice content is so small- sounds like a teaspoon per fruit due to both small fruit (think 4,5 cm diameter tangerines as standard size) and also very thick peel, lots of seed, and occasionally dry. I am confident the QUALITY of the sour juice is good--as it is a classic culinary juice. Aromatic, zesty juice. The rind is awesome on these, but I have no interest in rind. It sounds like per fruit it's almost a 1:6 ratio Yuzu juice to lime. Do I really want to be juicing 6 fruit every time I can just a lime or one of the below 2? Maybe if the juice is that awesome--which it could be. Shangjuan/Ichang lemon- Large fruit with 1/2 cup sour juice! Very seedy, thick peel, but still gives 1/2 cup sour juice which is a lot. The quality is suspect--some say it can used as lemon, some say it is way too sour and caustic like straight up vinegar with no citrusy flavor/zest/aroma. So maybe juice quantity over quality on this one. Also I think I read it doesn't keep well? Thomasville Citrangequat- seems like the best option and a compromise. A 4cm x6cm fruit rough standard size (close to size as Yuzu, but oblong shape) but is juicy, not insanely thick skin, not insanely seedy. Not sure how much juice it offers per fruit--but is described as juicy and I'm sure it is more juice at least than the Yuzu. The quality sounds good too and may be like the Seville sour orange with some orangey flavor in the sour juice. My main concern with this one is if it's only juicy when RIPE--to my knowledge citrus gets juicier as it gets ripe. Most people suggest using underripe Thomasville as lemon substitute--are these relativey DRY sour wedges though? The descriptions of juicy are surely describing the truly ripe fruit which I will not count on getting in zone 7a nor do I desire. I want something that is juicy when it is sour (like a lemon/lime/Seville sour orange), not dry when it is sour because the sourness is due to underripeness (like an underripe standard sweet orange--those are a bit dry.). So overall, I think thomasville wins for me, but a taste test would help since I'm nitpicking on the quality traits--I may try to taste test some in November. Also thomasville sounds like it's a half notch hardier than Ichang. If anyone else has anymore info or thoughts that would be great. Remaining questions- Blossom fragrances? How much juice can you get from a sour underripe thomasville?...See MoreUpdate on Northern VA Hardy Sweet Citrandarin Oct 18 2013
Comments (6)yeah Mike, John , Dave and I are the northern VA hardy citrus council ;-) Yes Dave's rooted cuttings are from this tree. He got 7 to root this summer and one graft to take (so far) that he grafted on his citrumelo. Boca Joe...See MoreCitrandarin taste test again.
Comments (8)I have two of these in pots, which were started from cuttings of a bearing tree living (at the time) near Sterling, VA, zone 7a. They are each about 5 feet high now. Whether the original tree in Sterling was a seedling or a rooted cutting, I'm not sure. It seemed to not bloom until it was quite tall -- maybe 8 feet. Have you tried Keraji mandarin? Pretty darn hardy and might make it in zone 8. Better than Changsha....See MoreRelated Professionals
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