So I’m just beginning to research mid price induction ranges,

7 years ago

This is what I was told when I went into a well reputed appliance store:

1) none ever come with knobs, I questioned his statement further, he confirmed this was the case through the industry from GE to Miele etc.

2) most have 9 control settings very few have 1/2 steps, and they are generally not needed or used.

3) none have self clean due to the sensitive electronics and due to manufacturers wanting to keep shipping weights low.

My research on this forum does not appear to support his statements.

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jwvideo

7 years ago

last modified: 7 years ago

P G -- Can you quantify your idea of "mid range" price range? Is that mid-priced for induction rnages or mid-priced generally? Also, are you looking for a slide-in or a freestanding model?

Without knowing that, I'll offer the following to get you started.

"Midpriced" Models that come with knobs and 1/2 step settings:

Frigidaire Models. Slide-in --- FGIS3065 (generally below $1500 and less for holiday sales) and has both knobs and half-step settings. Freestanding versions: FGIF3061 and clones sold through Sears as Kenmores (95103 and 95073 -- priced at $999 and $ 1199) -

GE Cafe CHS995SELSS: slide-in with knobs and ½ steps (also oven and stove top probes). Might be mid-priced in relation to Viking, Miele, Wolf, Dacor, etc. List price is various described at $3999 and $3599; lowest I've seen it was $3K. TO me that is "mid-priced" only in relation to the likes of Wolf, Miele, Dacor and Viking.

ETA Other "Mid Priced" Models with knobs

The LG induction slide-in model (the one Toronto Veterinarian has) can be had from Costco for $US $2600, which is a delivered and installed price. Samsung had two slide-in induction models, but the one with the divisible oven may have been discontinued. The replacement model is selling for just under $2k at big box stores and online.

More than 9 or 10 settings are not needed or used:

Some folks, such as Sue and Toronto Veterinarian, are just fine with nine or ten settings. Others of us are not. Nobody is right or wrong. It just depends on how and what you cook and what you cook with. This is a YMMV kind of thing.

none have self clean due to the sensitive electronics and due to manufacturers wanting to keep shipping weights low

The sales rep was either misinformed or full of baloney.

Pretty much all induction ranges offer genuine, old-fashioned high-heat (aka "pyrolitic") self-cleaning oven functions, just as most radiant electric ranges do.

Doing without pyrolitic self-cleaning will not decrease shipping weight, either. Decreased weight is from removing a lot of insulation which has the effect of making the stove lighter but also makes it less efficient and likely to have hot sides and or doors when using the oven. Generally, not a desireable thing, eh?

Ranges made by Whirlpool (including Jenn Air and Kitchenaid) are the only ones that have abandoned high heat self-cleaning ovens. Whirlpool's Aqualift was not adopted to save weight; it was adopted to try to get around the perception that self cleaning cycles killed electronics. (And that was, in fact, a particular problem for Whirlpool products for a number of years.) The WP models' "Aqualift" is a much lower temperature "steam" based cleaning assist rather than true self-cleaning. Aqualift has disappointed people who bought the stoves thinking that Aqalift is supposed to be just as good as pyrolitic self cleaning rather than just a way to assist manual cleaning. There is a very long running thread here of posts from folks angry over being misled by Whirlpool's advertising into thinking that Aqualift would do as good a job as "real" self-cleaning.

Now, to be sure, there is genuine concern that high oven temps, especially from self-cleaning, can contribute to the early demise of stove electronics on every kind of stove including induction models. Even so, stove electronics fail for a variety of other reasons. More unfortunately. we buyers have no access to good data on the proportion of stoves whose electronics fail early nor do we have access to any good statistical data on how many of those failures are attributable to use of self-cleaning oven functions.

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Sue 430
7 years ago
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I just bought the Samsung chef collection induction range after a lot of research. It has serious knobs and a self cleaning oven. Mine has 10 settings, and I have not yet felt like I needed more. So far I’m happy with it. The Bosch also has knobs I know because that was my other option.
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cfillyaw
7 years ago
The Bosch doesn’t have knobs. It has half increments and self cleaning. The new Bosch models looks to have better control with the whole range of settings available on the touchpad vs having to press +/- buttons multiple times.
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3katz4me
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Mine is Electrolux, has self cleaning and half increments plus more at the lower settings. I like and use the more granular settings but you might well get along fine without that. No knobs. I use self cleaning as little as possible as I do think it tends to burn up the electronics. Plus I’ve just never liked how hot they get with the self clean cycle.
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Toronto Veterinarian
7 years ago
last modified: 7 years ago
I have an LG induction range with knobs and a self-cleaning feature. The knobs offer 9 different settings, which has been enough for me so far. An induction range with knobs was very important to me, and I love the one I found. Apparently it's available on costco.com, but I have no idea what the price is (I'm in Canada) - but it's not a "high end" appliance.
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dadoes
7 years ago
My GE (non-induction) range is 13 years old. It has mechanical controls for the cooktop, electronic for the oven. I use self-clean with no failures thus far.
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Miele Induction Range has knobs but I would not call it mid-priced.
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7 years ago
Someone on this forum wrote up a review on the Bosch induction range and it was quite positive. I'm a Bosch fan.
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jwvideo
7 years ago
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You are speaking of the current Bosch induction ranges? That r[eview can be found here[(https://www.houzz.com/discussions/brief-review-of-newest-bosch-induction-range-hiip055u-dsvw-vd~4725146), and it discusses both the $3600 "Benchmark" model (HIIP055u) and the $2800 "800DLX" model (HII8055u). (The versions for the Canadian market have the same model numbers but they end in "c.")

Just noticed that Sue McGrath had the impression that Bosch has an induction range with knobs. Actually, Bosch's "knob" controlled model is a radiant electric stove, not induction, but search engines sometimes display it with the induction ranges for folks searching for info on "Bosch Induction Range." A couple of months ago, we had a thread that discussed the confusion this creates; yet another annoying internet quirk.
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biondanonima (Zone 7a Hudson Valley)
7 years ago
I'm following this thread with interest. I inherited an absolute crap gas range when we bought our house last year and after two Thanksgivings where the oven wouldn't get above 350 and at least one burner crapped out mid-cook, I am ready to get a new one. I like gas but I'm also considering induction.
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boba1
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My KitchenAid KFID5000 induction double oven free standing range has high-temp, pyrolitic self clean--the real deal, not Aqualift. I wouldn't have a range with that at all. The KitchenAid slide-in Induction has Aqualift and I wouldn't select that one just for that reaso0n.
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Peter Steinberg
7 years ago
As long as we’re all discussing unusual induction ranges, are there ANY 48” models?
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Love stone homes
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7 years ago
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Thank you all so very much for taking the time to give valuable information.

@jwvideo..you asked what I consider mid priced..anything under 3,000 would be awesome. DH prefers closer to 2k. Your information is very helpful, thank you.

@toronto veterinarian. I am in Ottawa and looked into the LG from Costco.ca, they no longer sell it. It’s risky to buy an appliance in Usa due to warranty issues, they won’t be honoured if transported cross border.

Re aqua lift.. thank you all for clarifying and confirming my thoughts on this. The salesman insisted that this was as good as self clean, he was quite convincing. I certainly appreciate the wisdom and experience of each and every one of you.

The other thing the sales guy said “bosh has two lines, one is made in China, so Chinese crappy, their other line in Germany. Anyone have any comments on this.
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Toronto Veterinarian
7 years ago
"@toronto veterinarian. I am in Ottawa and looked into the LG from Costco.ca,
they no longer sell it. It’s risky to buy an appliance in Usa due to
warranty issues, they won’t be honoured if transported cross border."

I agree -- I didn't realize you were in Canada. I wouldn't buy from the US either; I bought mine at a local appliance store (Tasco).
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4rbnglw
7 years ago
@Peter Steinberg, Aga has two 48” induction ranges

https://www.agamarvel.com/aga/products/aga-designer-ranges/
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Dana Groulx
7 years ago
I used the 36" GE induction for 2 years. Finally pulled it out and replaced that hunk of junk with Miele. I am a happy camper now.
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cpartist
7 years ago
The other thing the sales guy said “bosh has two lines, one is made in China, so Chinese crappy, their other line in Germany. Anyone have any comments on this.

I haven't heard that.
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jwvideo
7 years ago
last modified: 7 years ago
You haven't heard that because you have not been frequenting "post-factual" websites. :>)

Strikes me that the sales guy has a real flair for the inaccurate, particularly when it comes to induction products from Bosch.

For induction in the North American market. the company has four lines for cooktops which are the 300 line, the 500 line, the 800 line, and the Benchmark line; each of the latter two lines includes an induction range. These products for the North American market are made in North Carolina, not Germany or China. As are Bosch's dishwashers for the North American market. (Tho, Bosch used to source a couple of its highest end Benchmark models from Germany and might still do so.)

Now, microwave ovens would be a different story. Only, there aint "two lines." No Germans make any of the Bosch-branded nukers for the North American market. Bosch gets its residential microwave ovens from the same factories in China, Thailand, Malaysia and South Korea that make them for everybody else.

IIRC, there were some threads here a few years back on Bosch sourcing some of its side-by-side fridges first from the South Korean conglomerate Daewoo and then from one of the big Chinese factories. Other Bosch fridges were made for Bosch by Whirlpool here and in Mexico. Not sure where the current Bosch fridges come from. Somewhere (Yale Appliance Blog?) I think I saw an industry report saying that Bosch and its corporate stablemate, Thermador, currently source their fridges from Acerlik, a manufacturing conglomerate based in Turkey but having factories in Turkey, Romania, Russia, China, South Africa and Thailand.

Nothing like the simplistic "Chinese crap and German whatever," eh?

As a complete and utter aside, I think Amana (now owned by Whirlpool) is still making microwave ovens in the USA and doing so in Iowa. However, those all seem to be commercial food service products rather than consumer/residential ones.

Meanwhile..... back at the point of this thread .... so, PG, let us know how your stove search goes.

So I’m just beginning to research mid price induction ranges,

jwvideo

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