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Peace rose: Grafted or Own Root
Comments (19)I'm on the verge of buying a J&P White Dawn that looks unbelievably healthy (even though I normally buy only own-root, and generally boycott foreign-owned growers). The virus-free certification may have knocked me off the fence. As to Peace, I've never seen one that looked anything but horrible. Down here, and even in Northwest Arkansas, they are just a bunch of skinny, leafless sticks, with blooms on the ends. Are there places where Peace actually looks good without endless pampering? I doubt any of the wretched specimens I've seen were own-root....See MoreWhy own-root roses are healthier than grafted?
Comments (34)Today January 2, I dug up Comte de Chambord, grafted of Multiflora rootstock. Bluegirl had it for a few years in her alkaline Texas, didn't bloom well so she gave to me, since I have more rain. As multiflora-rootstock, Comte bloomed OK in spring but stingy afterwards, while my 2 other Comte as OWN-ROOT bloom profusely with 4 flushes until snow hit. I have Comte-on-multiflora for 2 years. It's so stingy in the summer I moved it next to the rain-spout in July. Its root was the same size as my marigold !! It became even stingier, despite my using the entire bag of coarse sand to make my clay fluffy. So I dug up Comte grafted on multiflora today, Jan 2, and IT WAS THE MOST PATHETIC multiflora rootstock that I had ever seen in my 3 decades of growing roses !! I already posted the study that showed Fortuniana-rootstock produces more blooms than Dr. Huey, and Dr. Huey produces more blooms than multiflora-rootstock. Left side is Comte de Chambord grafted on multiflora rootstock, right side is a snapdragon annual flower root (sown from seed !!). The snapdragon-flower root is actually larger than the multiflora-rootstock. This 4+ year-old Multiflora-rootstock actually SHRANK in my alkaline clay, despite tons of acidic rain. And it REFUSED to give me own-roots at the side like Dr. Huey-rootstock. Picture taken today, Jan 2 at 39 F or 4 C. Re-post info. from Oct. 2016: Comparing Dr. Huey-rootstock, Multiflora-rootstock, and Fortuniana-rootstock from below link, worth reading: http://roses4az-mevrs.org/wp-content/uploads/An-Overview-of-Fortuniana.pdf Here in the Desert Southwest, with our generally alkaline soils and extreme temperatures, we find that r. multiflora has a shorter life span, losing its vigor after five years. While fortuniana bushes had superior root systems, they had difficulty with the harsh & cold English climate. In a study over several years, Dr. McFadden budded two hybrid tea varieties, Queen Elizabeth and Tiffany, onto three different rootstocks. After counting the number of blooms produced over many growing seasons, the varieties budded onto fortuniana produced significantly more blooms. The fortuniana plants produced about THREE TIMES the number of blooms as those on multiflora and TWICE as many as on Dr. Huey. Additional benefits of Fortuniana include increased resistance to gall, stem dieback, and root disease, such as Phytophtora and Pythium. Bushes planted over 40 years ago in Florida are still thriving. On this rootstock, plants are heavier feeders, as they have five times the feeder roots of more common varieties." http://roses4az-mevrs.org/wp-content/uploads/An-Overview-of-Fortuniana.pdf...See MoreRose Rosette Disease
Comments (86)The whole issue is potentially really quite terrible. Weeks brought "research material" into their production fields and propagated it beside roses they made for sale to the public. Some of that material was infected with RRD. That was four, perhaps longer, years ago. It can take several years for RRD to manifest itself. In the several years since the initial infection, bud wood, cuttings and bare root plants have been distributed to virtually every commercial rose source in the US as well as abroad. That means, worst case scenario, there are RRD time bombs at every production source of roses in this and perhaps many other countries. By now, who knows how many Weeks roses (and other varieties they propagated) may have been exposed? Perhaps none. Perhaps... Yes, if no one buys, the industry and its members suffer and perhaps fail. How much of a gambler are YOU? If I had a yard full of roses I could easily replace and if RRD existed outside my fences, I may feel differently. I don't and it doesn't....See MoreAre Star Roses & Weeks Roses own roots or grafted?
Comments (30)R. Multiflora is hardy to zone 4b, and Dr.Huey-rootstock is hardy to zone 6b. Dr.Huey-roostock can live forever in my zone 5 since its roots is at the end of a long-stick (1 foot deep), so it can survive deep underground while the upper-own-root dies. The temp. at DEEP underground is 32 F, while the above temp. is -20 F in my zone 5a. The secret of Dr.Huey's living forever is its roots are at the end of a long stick to be at 32 F underground. I saw only one multiflora shoot appearing at local library, versus countless Dr.Huey-taking over. Leaves are acidic when not fully decomposed, so I consider that peat (Peat forms when dead plants are not fully decomposed). Once time I buried a bunch of leaves underground when I fixed the planting hole of Wise Portia. IT GOT WORSE !! I dug that up and the leaves turned into pitch-black & acidic peat. Wise Portia as own-root hates it (it likes alkaline with dark-green leaves). Multiflora-roostock can take acidic leaves on top better than grafted-on-Dr.Huey or own-roots. Multiflora-species thrive in high-rain & acidic soil. But Dr.Huey was bred in dry & alkaline CA. Back in 1998 I winter-protected a dozen hybrid-teas (grafted on Dr.Huey) with acidic maple leaves (not decomposed to neutral pH). They all got black canker & died through the winter. But my neighbor's dozen hybrid-teas (grafted-on-Dr.Huey) were winterized with dry & alkaline wood-chips and they survived winter great. Own-roots absolutely hate acidic leaves on top when their roots mature to be chunky & woody like Dr.Huey. When I winterized 10th-year-own-root Golden Celebration with leaves, it was only 4" tall in spring & gave me 4 lousy blooms for spring flush. So this 11th-year winter, I switched to DRY & ALKALINE wood-chips, and Golden Celebration had over 1 foot of green cane, with 20+ blooms for spring flush (in only 4 hrs. of sun). Multiflora-rootstock prefers loamy soil since it's a cluster root (spaghetti strands), versus big-fat & woody chunky Dr.Huey for dense & thick clay. Multiflora-rootstock declines in my salty & dense & alkaline clay. Dense clay need a thicker-stick like Dr.Huey to push through. Here in rock-hard & dense alkaline clay (similar to CA), Dr.Huey-rootstock is the choice but folks plant it so deep that Dr. Huey lives forever....See Morestillanntn6b
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