Wonderful new growth and don't feel silly that's what we're all here for.

Lilyfinch,

Can you show close-ups of the growth in question? As I look at your current photos, the growth looks normal, but close ups will help us see better.

Moses

John thanks for the hint about the pics I did not realize that !!none of the new growth is thicker than the old

Thansk patty moses and John ! Here's more pics to be sure .

This cluster of buds is a little concerning ?

Now I think it may be ok as more new growth is filling in inside the plant

I hope it isn't rrd .

I am hoping this is just temp/weather changes. Good luck!

Usually I'm pretty confident in diagnosing RRD, but this one is tough. There is indeed a lack of hyper-thorniness, but the new growth more lush and red than expected, given the size and state of the original plant. We are well into summer, so I'd only expect a more mature and leafier plant to put out growth like that. The cluster of buds is especially concerning. I'm afraid it might indeed be RRD, but I think I'd wait a few weeks to see how this growth matures .

Oh boy, I'm glad I came back. The third photo up from here is most concerning. Lily can you cut and bag the top of that cane. Then go some place safe where you can take more detailed photos.

Lily in the photo above that one the fourth one up. That has got to be rrd. I'm sorry I did not look closer before. The first photo on top is certainly rrd. I'm very sorry.

The canes are too long without greening. The canes are growing fatter as they grow. Should not be that way. In the top photo there appears to be the beginning of witches brooms and those buds are horrible.

Aw man!! Well at least i am not attached to it yet .

If it weren't for the cane with the buds it looks normal . Is there any chance it was the fertilizer that spurred on the growth and it just needs to catch up to itself ?

The new pix make me uncomfortable, Lilyfinch. There's congested growth, the buds don't look right; and like Patty noted, the oldest new growth should be turning green by now. You should probably wait for Ann, but my vote is you have RRV, unfortunately.

I fear not, it gets worse with each photo. Lily thanks for showing the extra photos. Did Harvey's remnants bring windy conditions for you there.

Lilyfinch,

The second photo down of your new set of photos is very telling of RRD.

The hyper-thorniness of the bud necks excessive prickles is not normal growth. The great extent of red foliage on the new growth which is not turning green as it matures is another red flag. There also appears to be a witches broom forming in the same, number two photo down. This is also strongly indicative of RRD.

I believe your fertilization of Huntington Rose gave the RRD a shot in the arm, causing a burst of growth, diseased as it is. Look at this as a blessing. Divine Providence directed you to give the fertilization in order to alert you to the problem. The fertilizing brought the RRD to the light of day. Otherwise, the disease could have gone on undetected for some time, possibly spreading.

I am so sorry for this dilemma, especially to occur to such a diligent rosarian as you are, not to mention your kindness, good natured ness, and willing, enthusiastic spirit to rise to the occasion when others need help.

Now, you need help. It is being sent to you by means of your fellow Roses Forum members': love, advice, and moral support from us all, right in there with you. God bless you!

Moses

Just rain with wind patty. Actually so much rain my newly planted roses lost their soil! Tomorrow I will dig it out . If it weren't for that one cane I wouldn't have been concerned.,

bummer bummer bummer.

I really am sorry. The weather has cooled off so much here with a few thunder storms. So I've been seeing lots of nice red growth. When I first saw your photo my thought was that you must have had some nice weather and thought I was looking at more than one rose.

I noticed a lawn present. Do you use a weed and feed.

Also no one has mentioned the number of red new growth canes. For RRD I would expect initially one infected cane.

Oh no Henry we have not all season, sorry I should have mentioned that. Only holly tone.

it is only one cane with crazy growth the rest look normal beside the red colors. Sigh.

Patty I have some beautiful new growth on lots of roses! Very excited for the next flush

There was a post a few weeks ago with similar odd red growth that didn't -quite- look like RRV, but didn't look 'right' either. The poster sent it off for testing and it did come back as a virus, but not RRV. Could this be something similar?

Ac91z6- I'm reading through old posts now to find that . Not sure I'm gonna pay though to have it confirmed ;)

patty, I have seen you mentioned citing the cane all the way down to the base . Do you think that will work in my case ?

Only that one branch looking bad and the rest looking good has me wondering . And I wish I had thought of this but that weird branch as laying / brushing on top of my barrel planter . Maybe just wishful thinking but perfhaps as it grew the barrel was interfering? I can't remember exactly how it looked . Just all me the queen of denial :).

I had success cutting a cane all the way back. It grew back normal.

Lily in all likely hood it is too late to just cut the cane but it never hurts to try. I would as long as I saw no other growth affected. There is a lot wrong with that cane in addition to the other things the leaf shape has changed. Where the leaves attach to that center stem (can't think of the name) the stem has picked up fringes that should not be there. It has all three of Ann's way to diagnose rrd. Unexpected, aberrant and I forget the other unless it is excessive.

Just thought I would add that after looking at the photos on top I really think the whole rose is infected. I do not know why there is no hyper thorniness because everything else screams rrd. I went to Help Me Find and for all the pics none had new growth that color. Looked at other photos also. I could be seeing this wrong but it looks like more than a single mite landed on the bush. It may have been infected for a while now and that is why there is so much odd color growth on her.

I'm grateful that John mentioned the cane diameter. That is what made me take a second look.

After the grass, there is a fence line. I still would be suspicious of a hormone reaching it.

http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/4720845/herbicide-drift-problems?n=2

Thansk patty! It just isn't worth keeping it to see as I have way too many other roses to be careful with. A real lesson because I only have roses in my beds , just a few other plants and I should be spacing better to prevent mites from hopping from one rose to the next . As soon as my daughter naps out it goes . Just picked up a baptisia Australia for its place

Patty,

On the second batch of Lilyfinch's photos, the second photo down from the top looks to me like hyper thorniness on the necks of the buds, tiny thorns, but lots of them. I blew up the photo to take a closer look. My eyes are not what they used to be, even with bifocals, so I could be focusing incorrectly. Please take a look with the photo blown up as large as you can. What do you think? Thank you!

Moses

Yes, you are correct Moses. I do have some varieties that have many thorns under the buds Home Run and Cheri Kolorscape for example. But of course the ones shown here look much worse. So you got me interested and I went back to HMF to have a look and Huntington does have hairs on the bud neck. Nothing thou looks the way that Lilys does. I also notice on HMF that the stem that holds the leaves does normally have fringes on that stem. My eyes are right there with you.

Lily that Baptisia will be beautiful. It's not a rose but a gorgeous plant I love mine.

Oh Lily- that stinks. So many issues with growing roses. What a Frankenstein's monster this multiflora "control" turned out to be.

Sharon

Lily I just read what Anne said about Fort. root stock. Maybe you have as well it is the 3rd rrd thread on here. I don't think this would account for the cane with the messed up buds. Perhaps for now just get that cane off. Then we can keep this thread up on page one for a while to see if Ann sees it.

Aww Lily, Im sorry about your Huntington Rose, to make you fell better ,I lost 10 beautiful roses this year , RRD is tough , but Im glad I found this forum.

What bothers me the most is that the bud with pink petals looks normal, and yet NONE of the supporting leaves have turned green, nor do they appear to be going to turn green.

I saw something like this in the now-lost garden at LMU. A rose with stems and leaves magenta red-mid summer- and it never turned green and then the buds opened normal color.
Things just aren't supposed to happen that way, and where did the chlorophyll go- or is it totally overwhelmed by excessive anthocyanin production.

Same picture with buds: damn. those buds are lacking receptacles- no place for ovules so something is really messing with the reproductive parts of that rose.

I have seen that before with RRD symptoms.

Your backgrounds on those last shots are lovely, and that bed has great plant spacing.

If that were mine, I couldn't live with it in that bed.

Ann

Thank you Ann for confirming for us ! Now I don't feel bad it's gone anymore and I do hope that's all the damage I see. Thanks for the compliment on the beds. I hope to add more perennials and color next season ! :)