Is this a job for multiple sub-contractors?
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Sub-Contractor Lien Releases
Comments (28)quote" And the bad part from an owner's perspective is that you have lien recourse while we're just screwed. "quote If you don't pay, I (the GC) have the right to not only Lien against your property but also have right to sue you to pursue a Judgment against you because you were in a direct Breach of Contract because there is an Agreement(contract) between us that was not fulfilled on your end. If I neglect to pay a sub for services rendered, even though I was paid for his service's, he only has the right to pursue you for a Lien. Since there's no direct Agreement between you and him it is simply Implied that he's due compensation for his services, and since the GC didn't pay he can only Lien, he can't pursue a Judgment against the Property Owner. If he made me sign an Agreement for the service at a job of mine and I didn't pay, he could pursue me for a Judgment too. In 15 years of Mechanical Contracting I never had a builder sign a Agreement. I now have several Subs, who thanks to scoundrels within the industry, make their Builders sign a contract on each individual job. Over the past 15 years the only Sub who has always done this is my Granite man. This guy was burned by home builders so many times in the late 80's and early 90's that I was amazed that he was able to stay in the game. This guy is awesome and didn't deserve it just as equally as the subs who worked for pool builders that didn't get paid too. My concrete guy got burned by a pool builder named Bruce, who was confused on a thread with a good Bruce here a few months back, for 55000 over the course of 7 months and 10 unpaid jobs. He confided in me that he had to leverage an equal amount against his business line of credit to just stay in the game. It took him over 150000 in new invoices to rebound back to zero. This, my internet friends, means that he did 200000+ of work for free because he didn't follow protocol on these unpaid invoices. It Heartbreaking to everybody involved except the pool builder. just-a-pb quote" He did this with 20 to 30 contractors on many homes he was building. "quote If these subs had gotten together they could have formed a class action suit and pursued criminal charges of Intent to Defraud against the home builder. The only times I've ever seen builders go to jail is when the ripped off customers and/or the unpaid subs got together and pursued the GC as a Class Action (group) suit. This year 3 pool builders were arrested and Indicted on these charges. When this goes to court and the Jury hears that each of this men had several companies prior to these that did the same thing, I'm hoping they'll be sentenced to the maximum duration of incarceration. Deliberately collecting money with no objective of completion for the buyer or compensation of the service/supplies providor of the project, IMO and the interpretation of the law, is a criminal not a civil offense. See ya, Kelly...See Morecontractor wants separate checks to all subs
Comments (5)I actually have started insisting that I pay the subs on my job directly, for much the reason jenswrens cites. My job has suffered a multitude of delays, at least some of them because the GC has been stretching out payments to the subs. Now I write a check made out to both the sub and GC (to the GC because my contract is with him and I don't want him claiming he wasn't paid) and let the GC countersign and give it the sub. Aside from the possibility that your GC has cashflow issues, he may also be avoiding responsibility for payroll taxes...eg. unemployment, social security, etc. This wouldn't be the case with an electrician who works independently, but if the GC is having you pay his men...guys who work directly under his supervision, with materials/tools provided by him...he may want them considered independent contractors rather than employees. It may or may not be cricket...there are strict IRS rules on who qualifies as an independent contractor and who doesn't...but I don't believe it can come back to you, in any case....See MoreGeneral Contractor / Sub-Contractor question
Comments (8)It's all resolved now. The GC was great actually. The weird thing were these swirls in the counter top (quartz) that looked like dirt. It was actually embedded into the counter. I think it was just defective and the fabricator didn't catch it. It was most noticeable when the lights were off and you view the counter from an angle. And the fabricator/installer just had no pride in their work. They left a mess in my sink, didn't even clean off the counter top after they installed it and they left my back door unlocked. They were seriously unprofessional....See Moresmall contractors--one who works with subs, one who does it all
Comments (14)I was lucky to find a General Contractor for my first kitchen remodel who is qualified to do all of the basic trades. He is a perfectionist. He knows his limits and will tell me that I need to hire someone to do something he cannot handle. He has moved walls, put in a skylight, added electrical circuits, wired new cooktop and downdraft fan that he installed, removed soffitts, added a soffitt elsewhere, moved a load-bearing opening, installed bath fan where none had been, including adding the roof vent for it, installed front door systems and patio door, designed and installed front ramp, installed flooring, kitchen cabinets, kitchen appliances, interior doors, designed and created a six-step stairway, and created a dog-washing station based on my design. Since I met Jim in 2003, he has done almost all of the work I have needed done in the two houses I have owned. He is licensed and insured. I realize that I was lucky to find someone who is qualified to do so many different kinds of work. Not many are like this. But they do exist. Jim works mostly on his own, though he hires assistants when he needs them. On occasion, he hires his kids when they are not in school. Once, when he was doing my first backsplash, and I was using a glass tile as the secondary tile in a pinwheel pattern, I assisted by back-buttering the glass tiles and handing them to him to be placed. Jim sweeps up his work area at the end of each day. His van has built-in storage for all of his tools and he can easily find anything that he needs. "Meticulous" may be his middle name! I knew I had the right guy to work with me when I was interviewing him and he listened to my ideas for my first kitchen and pulled out his tape rule to measure and said, "Yeah, I think that will work here." He added his own ideas, told me "no" when I needed to hear it, and simply talked to me like a person instead of giving me that condescending treatment that so many men give to women when talking about technical or mechanical things. I knew I could work with him from the first interview. I was referred to him by asking for recommendations at the contractor's desk at the local lumber supplier. I was looking at kitchen cabinets there, so went to the desk and asked for some recommendations of contractors who seemed to know what they were doing. Jim has been working on a commercial building for the past three years. He says that he hated the boring work, but that he could not turn down the good pay. I have been waiting for him to be free to do my bathroom gut and remodel. I won't have anybody else if I can have Jim by waiting!...See Morethatsmuchbetter
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