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yellow climber for part shade in z6a/5b

ac91z6
6 years ago

I may be asking for the impossible, but does anyone have any suggestions for a yellow climber that is reasonably disease resistant, does well in at least 4 hours of morning sun, blooms more than once, and has at least some fragrance?


I'm in Northern MO, z6a, only a 15-20 min drive from z5b. The location I have is along an east-facing wall in town. Most of our wind and weather moves in from the north/northwest, so I think this would be a protected location.


For me, reasonable disease resistance is keeping around 80% of its leaves in an average year. The house is white and a red/orange brick, so I'm hoping to find a yellow/gold (not a nearly white) to contrast pleasingly with the house colors.


Roses already being considered:

Roberta Bondar

Graham Thomas (fell in love with him, but reading mixed reviews on disease resistance)

Golden Gate (no information on how it does in shade)

Lemon Meringue (not high on the list though)

Lichtkonigin Lucia

Autumn Sunset (more orange than I'd like, but better than Lemon M)

Teasing Georgia (more apricot/beige in many pictures than I want)

Casino

Gold Badge (also has mixed reviews)

Cl. Lady Hillingdon (HMF only has 'fair' for shade though)


If anyone can suggest something else, please do! While I'd like the rose I pick to always have some blooms on it, I realize I have have to go with two roses on the same trellis to get that look.

Comments (46)

  • nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska
    6 years ago

    I've grown most of the roses on your wish list, and your first cut needs to be on the basis of hardiness in zone 5/6. For me, I've not been able to overwinter the following roses, and if they do survive they would be unlikely to climb: Lichtkonigin Lucia, Gold Badge, Lady Hillingdon (not a chance), and surprisingly Golden Gate (being a Kordes rose I expected better things). Roberta Bondar has survived several years but has never gotten much above knee high in maybe 4-5 years so I don't ever really expect her to climb. Graham Thomas is an irregular bloomer but he has survived OK. Casino survived one year and died another one so it's iffy in my recommendation.

    Autumn Sunset and Teasing Georgia are reliably hardy, and have surviving cane even in a zone 4 pocket of my yard, which bodes well for your zone. Teasing Georgia tends to prefer to be a loosely structured shrub more than a climber for me, so while it sets off long canes it doesn't exactly "climb" in a conventional way for me if you wanted it up a trellis. Autumn Sunset is in a particularly poor spot but it is mostly yellow with occasional apricot tones, while TG is almost always lemon yellow for me.

    Incidentally, the east side of my house is my zone 4 pocket and notably colder than other parts of my yard, partly for poor sun but partly also for air circulation. I wouldn't necessarily assume it's a particularly protected spot like a south facing spot would be.

    By far my best reblooming yellow climber is Lunar Mist, with nice fat puffy lemon yellow blooms off and on all season, that fade to a pleasant cream color in hot sun. I don't have my photos with me but I quite like it and it is mostly cane hardy most winters.

    Cynthia

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  • AquaEyes 7a NJ
    6 years ago

    You should look at Ghislaine de Feligonde. Specifically, check out this thread. Another option might be Malvern Hills, but I don't know much about that one as far as being cold-hardy goes.

    :-)

    ~Christopher

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  • User
    6 years ago

    Golden gate was tip hardy here in Zone 6a NJ these past two winters and we shall see how it does when we have a harsh winter.

    You will be lucky to get Lady Hillingdon to survive. Mine died promptly.

    Teasing Georgia is a large, sprawling Shrub for me.

    Crown Princess Magarreta can be grown as a small climber here, and very hardy.

    Robert Bonda is about 6 feet after thee years.




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  • ac91z6
    Original Author
    6 years ago

    Oh, I see G de F is thornless! I admit that when I see 'multiflora' I think of the nuisance that invades pasture and CRP fields. But GdF actually looks quite nice. As long as my trellis wouldn't be too tall or deep to deadhead, that's another option! 'Malvern' had no shade rating, but from the bloom color variations in the photos, I think he'd be fine. The comments indicate it's quite cold-hardy. I would have to pair him up for a season-long display. Thank you Chris!

    And I'm also surprised that GG did so poorly for you, nippstress! I figured Lady H wouldn't be hardy this far in z6, but Kordes roses always seem to get top ratings for hardiness. I'll keep him in mind for the sunny part of my south wall, but that place gets the full brunt of the wind. Sounds like it's sunlight that is the deciding factor for winter survival though. 'Lunar Mist' wouldn't bleach out in my shade, so if I can just find it for sale somewhere it's another option.

    Two voices in both zones against 'Roberta', so she's out. And 'Lady H'. Likewise for 'Georgia' - I could let her sprawl over a fence, if she tolerates enough shade.

    Farmerduck, does your CPM look more yellow or apricot? HelpMeFind has a pic from Chicago, alkaline soil, shade (oh, bless the poster who added all that information!) that looks nicely yellow. How much sun does your Golden Gate get? We usually don't get a lot of snow here and the wind can be brutal. What kind of site is yours surviving in?

    We had a blizzard at the first of May here, so I know there will be some (uncommon) years I have a lot of die-back.

    So my new options are:

    Ghislane de Feligonde (potential to be a house-eater? Shade and cold should help keep in check. Would make a lovely privacy screen in the backyard though)

    Malvern + another (GT's irregular blooms might work here, if the yellows match enough)

    Lunar Mist (or Yellow Romantica, whichever name I can find it under)

    Crown Princess Margareta (pending Farmerduck's answers, haha!)

    As long as I get an own-root rose, there's always the option to move it somewhere it's happier, right? ...this is how rose addiction starts, isn't it?


  • totoro z7b Md
    6 years ago

    The Pilgrim can supposedly bloom on a north facing wall.

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  • User
    6 years ago

    I would describe the Crown Princess as yellow/apricot/golden. Here is Teasing Georgia for comparison

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  • User
    6 years ago

    Just ran out and took a pic of my GG. It is shaded by spruces and only get about some sun in the afternoon starting from about 2 pm.

    Here is Roberta bonda. Not very good grower. Starting to spot

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  • nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska
    6 years ago

    Lovely photos farmerduck, and I can only dream of that profusion as well as color of blooms on my Crown Princess Margaretha. Mine only blooms on surviving wood and it so rarely has any that I only get blooms 2 out of the last 8 or 9 years. When they do, they're almost entirely white and a once bloomer to boot. I'll have to try Golden Gate again since maybe I got a dud, though I've found the difference between zone 5 and 6 can make a lot of difference for roses.

    I haven't grown Malvern Hills yet myself, but in general the Austins are pretty hardy for me and they grow fine own root. I myself find that own root roses are easier to manage with winterkill as well as to move without the huge tap root of Dr. Huey, though some people prefer grafted roses in other zones. In Missouri (you're not far from me), the blackspot pressure isn't too bad and any of the Austins or the other roses on your short list should do fine for you.

    Both Lunar Mist and Ghislaine de Feligonde are in part shade conditions for me and they bloom fine. I'm sure any rose prefers more sun, but these do well. In general, I find that Austins are pickier about preferring sun than other roses as a gross generalization, but TG seems perfectly happy in part shade. I got my Lunar Mist from Regans and hmf lists it from Angel Gardens and Northland Rosarium, and I think I saw it recently at Northland but out of stock.

    Here's a photo of Lunar Mist from several years ago as it was settling in - I don't find it's a huge climber but it definitely has the lanky long arms that you want in a traditional climber (look at all those buds waiting to pop). This one doesn't have any apricot tones to speak of and stays either lemon yellow or fading to cream in hot weather:

    I fully appreciate the beauty of Ghislaine de Feligonde in other people's yards but it just hasn't lived up to expectations for me and it's over 6 years old. I realize as a HM rambler it doesn't have strong rebloom, but I have exactly 2 pictures of this rose in the last 6 years and they're less than exciting. Here's the closest it comes to a "glamour shot" from last year - its only bloom that year mind you:

    And here is every single bloom I got from this rose this year, if you count the buds - I remember kneeling down to get this shot so I think it was only 3-4' or so tall even in its seventh year. If others on hmf didn't have photos that looked like this I'd swear it was a mislabeled rose. I don't find it yellow much except around the stamens:

    Of course YMMV on all of these. Rebecca in zone 4 has GORGEOUS photos of CPM even a zone colder than me and mine simply doesn't bloom much less look as good as farmerduck's. Planting more than one climber on a spot hedges your bets to have better odds of one growing as you wish it would grow.

    And yes, we're doing everything we can to ensure you're good and hooked on roses from now on...

    Cynthia

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  • User
    6 years ago

    Wow, Lunar Mist and YMMV both so refreshing!! I never heard about them, and now I am mentally plotting where on earth I can put two more climbers...

    lovely!!

  • nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska
    6 years ago

    Thanks farmerduck - I heartily recommend Lunar Mist. Ghislaine de Feligonde (my YMMV rose) is less enthusiastically recommended by me since it has never rebloomed or even bloomed prolifically once in a season, though Christopher closer to your zone likes it. I expect it would work its way in around other climbers well though and not take up too much space.

    Cynthia

  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    6 years ago

    You might try looking at P. Schneider's book 'Right Rose, Right Place', as he garden in Z5 with sandy loam. There are quite a few yellow suggestions including Golden Gate. His looked very good when I saw it a couple of weeks ago. I'm not familiar enough with all the Hybrid Musks, but perhaps there's a yellowish one that can take some shade. My newbie experience has been that the more sun the better in our zone; I've had to relocate quite a few that others had said did well with some shade... but they were in CA or some such super sunny place.

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  • User
    6 years ago

    Just a word about 'Malvern Hills'... I notice that an HMF member in Norway has several of these and claims full cane hardiness down to as low as 5F. That was not my experience during a severe winter [for us] I had here a few years ago, when I had -12C/10F, which is rare... I lost part of the rose, right in the middle of the plant, but it grew over in the summer.. it is a noisette type I think, from it's supposed breeding and appearance... but if it does well for you without dieback, be prepared for a rambler rose, not a climber type... easily 20-30 foot where happy...

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  • ac91z6
    Original Author
    6 years ago
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    Oh my, Farmerduck, I think I will have to find a spot for both CPM and TG now! I don't think they'll match enough to put on the same trellis, but I've got a fence that can be used for one. Nippstress, I've just got to find Lunar Mist now. That's beautiful- I'll have to call some nurseries as none seem to have it in stock, but some may still have it for special order. Totoro, The Pilgrim may be a little too white for what I'm wanting with this project, but I do have a north-facing wall I'd like to dress up...

    Malorena, are you also on HelpMeFind? Your pic of 'Malvern Hills' convinced me to consider him, even if I had to put another rose on the trellis for the rest of the season!

    'Malvern' is out for the front of the house in that case, but this morning I looked out my back window and saw my neighbor right at the property line, puttering around his shed area. I definitely need a privacy screen back there, so G de F and Malvern would work for that! Mid-July is when the heat starts getting bad here, so if Malvern flushes through June it'd work well.

    Vaporvac, you're spot on about shade recommendations from much warmer zones! I've been prowling through HMF pics, noting ones that give z6/5 and shade information. I'll have to look up that book, sounds quite useful even though I have clay soil! How does 'Golden Gate' look in z6? How strong is the scent? I'm jealous you got to see one in person! All the pics I've seen are just gorgeous - I know I want this rose somewhere someday. I'm just hesitant to put him in the shade with so few reviews on that tolerance.

    I came for one rose, I find 7 that I want and already have ideas for where I'd put them. Heirloom Roses is even having a sale through the 10th, and TG and The Pilgrim are in it. They are more expensive than some other nurseries, any opinions on them?


    Edited: I just re-read Nippstress about BS in Missouri and realized Graham Thomas was still in the running, so it's eight roses now. Also, definitely no Dr Huey grafts - I've battled the good doctor at my old house and don't miss him!

  • User
    6 years ago

    ac91... yes that's my photo on HMF... I hope it does well for you, it's such a charming and graceful rose with foliage right to the ground... and continues to bloom into autumn... it should give you a fine privacy screen. I wish I had the space to grow it again... although I've seen it grown successfully in a large pot..

    ..best of luck...

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  • Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Lunar Mist is a winner. I wonder if Northland Rosarium carries it for Spring? I was charmed by it in Alaska and I need it here. They used to carry it. Maybe a phone call could help.

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  • mcnastarana
    6 years ago

    'Lunar Mist' is a sport from the excellent 'Colette' and will be off patent in another year, 2019 I believe. Maybe LongAgo Roses can be persuaded to offer LM after the patent expires.

    'The Pilgrim' produced about 3-4 exquisite flowers per season for me. Never again.

    Northland Rosarium does carry a recent Kordes intro called 'Aloha Hawaii' which looks stunning in pix.

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  • ac91z6
    Original Author
    6 years ago

    Called Angel Gardens and they don't have 'Lunar Mist' - they still have the plant, but apparently quite hard to get rooted. She did get a couple bands/plants but they were already sold. I'll call/email Northland Rosarium tomorrow, and I'll ask Roses Unlimited as well since I'm going to ask them about CPM and TG. Rogue Valley didn't have them and Heirloom didn't have Georgia anymore when I went to order.

    I did end up purchasing 'The Pilgrim', 'Graham Thomas', 'Golden Celebration', and 'White Dawn' (hey, I wanted at least one white climber, and with 'New Dawn' as a parent I figure this one is worth a shot for the backyard fence/trees).

    'The Pilgrim' is either going on the north side of the garage or the north wall of my shed once the brush is cleared out (haven't decided yet). GC and GT are going on the back of the garage and house, although once that brush is gone I think I'll put an arbor over the front of the shed (which can be seen from the road) and put one of them on it.

    If i can find CPM and TG this year, I think Georgia will go on the front of the house (I'll try to post pictures tonight) and CPM will go on an obelisk/pillar/column I'll put where I had to take a couple shrubs out.

    'Aloha Hawaii' is lovely, Mcnastarana! A bit pink for my brick, but a Kordes with a good 'shade' rating! My yard has SO MUCH shade guys, from black walnuts of all the &*%$ trees! Every list I've checked (and I've checked many, from landscapers, nurseries, universities, and the MO Botanical Gardens) lists roses as fine with the juglone though. I may have to find another pillar/column for this rose, as HMF has it as a climber that stays narrow.

  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    ac9a, Golden Gate looked great when I saw it. I don't know how much difference clay makes, but certain rootstock might work and others not. I also saw White Dawn and the Garden of Roses of Legends and Romance in Wooster, Ohio in June and it was also wonderful and obviously hardy. If you want a pink I highly recommend Viking Queen. Depending on the undertone the brick, pinks can look really good. Having seen its blooms (will post pics in a bit), I would suggest Felicia. It's just lovely and smells beautiful. I don't grow any of your choices, but they look good so keep us informed with follow up.

    P.S. You could try visiting ARE's site. They have an entire section dedicated to shade growers.

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  • enchantedrosez5bma
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    I'm listed as zone 6a although we tend to be borderline 5b. My Golden Gate is in it's third year and is about 18 inches tall and a one cane wonder. It has not flowered yet. I had The Pilgrim several years ago and it grew amazingly well for a novice rose gardener who was totally clueless on growing roses. This was way before the internet and great places like the Rose Forum. It finally died probably from neglect but I remember it flowered pretty well and the flowers were a beautiful soft butter yellow. I had Teasing Georgia in about 5 hours of mid morning to early afternoon sun. She flowered nicely but sadly was eaten by voles over the winter. Her flowers are more soft golden yellow where The Pilgrim is a cleaner yellow.

    Sharon

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  • ac91z6
    Original Author
    6 years ago

    They came! The first four from Heirloom are here!

    GC, GT, TP, and WD, in that order! First ever mail-order roses, with fancy tags! They've pushed some growth after being packed, I'm just going to keep them in the shade for a couple days to color up.

    Alright, some pics of where they will be going...

    North side of garage - The Pilgrim.

    You can see my Hydrangea arborenscens (probably 'Annabelle') on the left! I have a couple of 'Endless Summers' I'll be moving from the old house in the fall. They'll go under the window. 'Pilgrim' will be planted towards the right corner.

    West side of garage and house

    There's a downspout just to the left of the picture, and GC or GT, whoever needs more water, is going on that side.

    The other yellow Austin will go to the right of the 'porch'. Eventually I'll get a proper deck/porch/patio added, but that's a ways off. Like several years off.

    The back of my yard

    My neighbor with the tractor is an older gentleman, used to work with one of my uncles and play cards with my grandparents. I don't mind the tractor, but I'd like to hide his shed. 'Malvern Hills' and GdF will go back here. Maybe 'Danae' too, suggested by Angel Gardens. I was going to put 'White Dawn' back there, towards the left (I've got a chain link fence out of the photo and more sun that way) but the more I look at this...

    This tree is the front yard, I was facing east taking this pic. I think it needs a climber. It would get bright shade all morning and then about 4-5 hours of afternoon sun. I don't know about the white against the light blue-green needles. And those thorns... 'Viking Queen' might be a better choice - I'll consider her here, Vaporvac!

    And now, the part of the house that started The Great Rose Hunt

    There's a tiny baby 'Empress Wu' hosta under the single window, a barely-visible line of coral bells in front of it (all planted this year, and I need to finish planting the others), another hydrangea, probably a macrophylla (came with the house), to the left of the brick.

    You can see part of the massive oak tree I have to the left of the house! And my world's-ugliest lamp post. I'm going to paint it, just don't know what color.

    Good grief I need to weed the front dirt patch. and my driveway cracks should probably be Round-Up'd.

    But there it is guys! Here's how the madness got started, hahaha.


  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    6 years ago

    You have a cute house and really great yard that could fit A LOT more roses! ; ) But you're off to a good start.

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  • ac91z6
    Original Author
    6 years ago

    What little southern exposure I have is reserved for 'Golden Gate' and a to-be-decided red probably Kordes climber. I'm getting a sense from these posts that he'll need that much sun to climb here in 6a/5b. But you haven't talked me out of him yet :) How horrible, Enchantedroses! I've read about planting hostas in hardware cloth 'baskets' to prevent roots from being eaten, but is that possible with roses?

  • totoro z7b Md
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Nice yard pics. So many options! Maybe pillar a short climber to your lamp post or grow some clematis?

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  • flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
    6 years ago

    I rarely see Lunar Mist mentioned, and I just want to give that rose another thumbs up. Mine was still in it's own root band from Northland when we had a severe windstorm. It was lost and forgotten over winter and when I found it the following year in a pile or debris at the back of the property, the plastic pot was almost all broken away, the planting mix gone and the roots exposed to the elements and dried out. It had been reduced to just a stick. I'm not sure why, but I watered it and set it in the shade. It started putting on new growth immediately, so I planted it and it burst into such a good, healthy plant and was climbing a trellis so quickly I couldn't believe my eyes. That was one determined rose. Such beautiful, soft, buttery yellow old-fashioned blooms, but obviously tough as nails.

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  • ac91z6
    Original Author
    6 years ago

    I meant to call Northland and Roses Unlimited today and ask about Lunar Mist, but since it was nice here weeding the vegetable garden I have at my sister's took precedence. Too many walnut trees and shade at my house. Flowersaremusic, that's one tough rose! I can't believe it isn't being offered by more nurseries if it can withstand those conditions and emerge healthy and throwing canes. It comes off-patent soon as Mcnastarana says, so maybe it will start turning up more often in a few years. Here's hoping I find it tomorrow!

  • flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
    6 years ago

    I hope you find it, too. If it isn't in Northland's online catalog, she might still have it. She has so much that isn't listed online. I get into trouble every time I go there. Too much temptation!

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  • ac91z6
    Original Author
    6 years ago

    UPDATE! Roses Unlimited doesn't have Lunar Mist available, but I did get Teasing Georgia from them and have Crown Princess Margareta on preorder for spring! I went ahead and got Viking Queen to fill out the order.

    Northland Rosarium thinks they will have Lunar Mist next spring, and I'm on their contact list come Jan/Feb for it.

    Nine holes to dig in the next two weeks, just for the roses. This late in the season, do you guys think I can get away with building the trellises next year? Or even later this year, after frost?

  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    6 years ago
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    I think you can wait on the trellis til next year. if you're looking for a Kordes red, take a peek at Florenetina! I've seen a mature speciment in Z5 and it WOWZERS!

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  • ac91z6
    Original Author
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    I've been drooling over Florentina since I started looking for a red, vaporvac! Ooo, that spectacular in z5? I like roses with fragrance, but I might make an exception for her! I think she'd match one of my yellow Austins too, and with that cold-hardiness I'm not limited to the south wall for her.

    And it's nice to know I can let my wallet recover before I have to go get post cement, wire, and whatever I use for posts. Leaning toward black pipe - the iron stuff they use for gas lines.

  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Here's a look at the one I saw. Princess A. of Luxembourg is pretty as well.

    Florentina Frenzy!!!

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  • ac91z6
    Original Author
    6 years ago

    Ooo, very nice! I see in the comments 'Florentina' likes sun to bloom well, so even if she doesn't need the solidly z6 spot, she's getting the south! I think I'll make that sacrifice for such a rose. I can always put a more fragrant floribunda at the climber's feet.

    I'll be joining you all in Roseaholics Anonymous yet. But until I run out of space, it's not a problem, right?

    'de Luxembourg' (as I found her of HMF) is lovely, though obviously much bigger than 4 ft! She got a mixed review, which is odd for a Kordes (except fragrance), but the one reviewer didn't comment where they were. Given the 'heat tolerance' rating, I wonder if they aren't somewhere much warmer.

    I see Nippstress has/had her. How is/was 'Princess of Luxembourg' for you?

  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    6 years ago
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    ac91, both those roses are in a Z5 garden belonging to Peter Schneider, author of the book 'Right Rose, Right Place' and experience no die-back that I could tell! He recommends PAdL in his book. I am curious to see what Nippstress has to say about it myself. I'm opposite of a zone pusher! : )

  • ac91z6
    Original Author
    6 years ago

    I like your thinking, Vaporvac! I have a couple going in pots until I'm certain they'll survive 6a minimum. That may just become their permanent home, but I'm ok with that.

  • enchantedrosez5bma
    6 years ago

    Vaporvac- How was the bloom on PAdL? I read on hMF that she's really stingy. Her flowers look stunning. RU lists her. I wonder how repeat though.

    Sharon

  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    6 years ago
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    enchanted, I'll try to remember to look that up and see if he mentions anything. His book is a treasure trove of hardier roses and focuses on their best use in a garden in terms of habit, etc. I don't have many rose books, but I highly recommend that one. I've yet to write my little "review" of my visit to his open house; I should still do that.

    Ac91, I'd be afraid to leave a pot out all winter unless it's very large and in a protected spaced or buried. Judging from my experience with other plants, its easy for the roots to freeze in a pot as there isn't much insulation for them. I plan to put all mine in my coal cellar, although I don't know yet if I can do that with them still in smaller pots. I may start a thread asking these questions of people like Carol, etc.

  • enchantedrosez5bma
    6 years ago
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    Thanks Carol. I think I might be buying this book :-)

    Ac91 and Vaporvac- just be careful if you have voles. They ate all my potted roses over winter. These weren't in a shed though just against wall with leaves piled around for insulation. I wonder if they can be overwintered in a large rubbermaid container filled with leaves for insulation.

    Sharon

  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    6 years ago
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    Did I miss a comment by Carol? Sharon, my coal cellar is attached to my basement with only inside access, so hopefully no voles there!!! It doesn't freeze, so I plan to put them on stands. I wonder if one of those insulated Rubbermaid containers or even a styrofoam one would provide enough extra insulation? It would have to be pretty big, though.

  • nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska
    6 years ago

    Vaporvac, ac91z6 - I have both Florentina and Princess Alex de Lux, and I highly recommend them both. Florentina I've had for about 4 years and it's an enthusiastic bloomer all season with entirely cane hardy survival in an average zone 5 spot. The blooms are very full and dark red and it's among my favorite climbers these days.

    PadL is newer, since she just went in last spring, but I can already tell she's a typically enthusiastic Kordes rose. She's putting out canes in every direction trying to elbow wimpy neighbors out of the way, and I've seen clusters of those thickly petaled blooms off and on all season. She hasn't gotten to her third season yet so her repeat isn't all that frequent, but I don't expect that in a rose's second year. I think she had some but not all surviving cane over the winter, which is typical of most of my roses.

    Both were from Palatine for me, and both have done extremely well.

    Cynthia

  • enchantedrosez5bma
    6 years ago

    Thanks Cynthia. Palatine doesn't list Alexandra on their site anymore. RU does have it listed.

    I have Florentine own root band bought this year. She's still in a pot since I'm undecided where to put her yet.

    Sharon

  • ac91z6
    Original Author
    6 years ago
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    My pots will be spending the winter in my attached garage, Vaporvac. I agree, anything being left out would have to be extra-hardy. Thanks Nippstress! Good to hear Florentina is that hardy and (and beautiful!). I'll have to start a list for if I ever move to a bigger place with more sun! Looks like Princess de Lux would make a lovely tall hedge.

  • nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska
    6 years ago

    Sounds like these would be good roses for your zone, enchanted rose. FWIW, I don't see PadL making a tall hedge, at least not yet, since the long canes are quite floppy and do more intermingling with other roses at the present time. The canes might be 3-4' long but they're lying on the ground. As it matures, it will probably have stiffer canes, but I'm not sure it'll be a hedge type rose.

    Cynthia

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  • enchantedrosez5bma
    6 years ago

    thanks Cynthia- I love the look of PadL flowers. They're so romantic looking.

    Sharon

  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    6 years ago
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    Cynthia, the one I saw in Z5 (in the link above)was really thick and substantial. It had been there for a while so I think there's hope for yours to "grow up"! : ) I thought it looked so pretty next to the red of Florentina.

  • nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska
    6 years ago

    Thanks vaporvac - it's good for ac91z6 that PadL may grow to hedge size and stiffness, but in my case since mine is toward the front of my bed that may become unfortunate. I have a lot of front row roses that have grown much bigger than advertised, so I do a lot of makeshift pegging and adapting of canes since I'm way too lazy to move them unless essential. Good to know however!

    Cynthia

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  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    6 years ago

    oops! I hate when that happens! I thought I was bringing good tidings, but I know the feeling having spent some quality time moving Tess and 1st Crush to the back of bed yesterday. You wouldn't think we would have this problem in our zones.

    That was the 1st time I'd even heard of PAdL and I was impressed.