Ledge sink reveal question

6 years ago

Owners of ledge sinks such as Kohler Stages or the Create Good Sinks version, I have a few questions:

1. Did you install the countertop with zero reveal or positive reveal. If positive, then how much offset? Can you please post some pictures?

2. Are the edges around the reveal rounded or sharp? Any pros or cons of either choice.

3. Any gotchas, regrets, or advice that you can share.

Also, I need to decide on the countertop edge. Bullnose? Half Bullnose? Pencil? Any advice is appreciated.

The countertop guys are coming bright and early on Monday for templating!

Thanks, as always, to this community for helping me with their vast knowledge.

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Joseph Corlett, LLC

6 years ago

last modified: 6 years ago

I installed this Lenovo ledge sink today. The reveals were dictated to me by the original sink cut out side-to-side. I had to cut the front rail to match the sides. They are about 3/8", but I think they look fine. I always recommend a positive reveal, even if it's just 1/8". No hidden crud ledge as with a negative reveal or the elongated silicone joint of the flush.

I square the corners because I like the look as it matches the sink, plus it saves me time which saves my customers money.

I run a 3/8" profile bit around the edge. Sharp edges at sinks are chip factories, I don't care what your designer says. No pencil edges except trophy shelves.

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suzanne_sl
6 years ago
We went with a zero reveal and like it very much:
The corners on the sink are not 90º, but they're not too far off. The edges on both the sink and the countertop are "eased." As far as the countertop edges, that's really just a matter of preference. We like simple, so we went with eased (which may be the same as or close to "pencil"), as it matches the style of our kitchen.

If I were choosing between bullnose and 1/2 bullnose, I'd go with 1/2. A drip running off a 1/2 bullnose will get to the bottom edge and drop to the floor. A drip running off a bullnose is likely to keep running around the edge until it gets to the cabinet face and then run down that way.

Ogee edges are very compatible with traditional kitchens. This particular ogee I don't find very attractive, but hopefully your fabricator offers one that is more pleasing. You might want to take a trip to his/her showroom to see what they offer.
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Phil Rhudy Sr.
6 years ago
Read the complete thread "counter top dispute with fabricator" for some insight into some of the pitfalls and shortcuts that some unscrupulous fabricators use to save time or money at your expense. Read any other pertinent threads as well.
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suzanne_sl
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Making dinner and I just realized that you can't have a negative reveal (stone sticks out further than sink edge) on a Stages sink. It would make the accessories not fit, like the cutting board I was using when I had this revelation!
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vishketan
Original Author
6 years ago
@suzanne_sl: Yes indeed no negative reveals, otherwise the accessories will not work. Thanks for the photo. That helps a lot. I am going to show it to my installer!

This is the edge details that my installer offers:

http://www.avalosmarble.com/uploads/Avalos_-_Edge_Detail_Sheet.pdf

and we are thinking of either E10 or E12.

@Phil Rudy Sr.: The installer we are working with is fairly reputable (all 5 star Yelp reviews) and we have worked with them before and had a decent experience. However, you are right, I should keep a close eye to make sure that nothing goes wrong.

@Joseph: I heard that with positive reveals water can log at the interface and get moldy with time. Is that something that your clients complain?
User
6 years ago
last modified: 6 years ago

Make sure it is understood how important the cutting board ledges are. The cutting boards will not fit if the measurement is wrong. As for round or square, I could do either and not care.
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silken1
6 years ago
Mine is a cast iron Kohler sink that has a cutting board and a basket that sit on the ledges. This is the way my granite is. The cutting board fits perfectly and rests on the ledge of the sink.
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suzanne_sl
6 years ago
One more photo. This is the Stages 45 sink with the cutting board in place (I almost always leave it in the sink as I use it constantly) and one accessory tray. Notice the fit with a zero reveal.

The bottom line is that you can't do a negative reveal because the excellent accessories won't fit, but you could do a positive reveal if you wanted to; however, that would leave a gap for bits of cut onion, pepper, parsley, etc. to fall onto the ledges.
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Rachiele Custom Sinks
6 years ago
I have been in this industry since 1977. A zero reveal is most definitely the day to go. Exposing part of the flange of the sink is a place for water to sit and aggravate the grout. As mentioned above, any overlap of the stone over the sink will cause conflict with accessories. Not only that, water will have a tendency to roll under that over-hang and collect nasty debris. Often granite fabricators come up with reasons for positive and negative reveals. In my humble opinion, they are doing that for one of two reasons. 1. They do not have to be as precise. 2. They are dealing with a sink that is not square and true. When a sink side is wavy or not precise, that is the time for breaking this long held industry rule.
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vishketan
Original Author
6 years ago
Thanks to everybody for their wisdom. I am going to ask for a zero reveal from my fabricator.