Door handle sizes for an Integrated Refrigerator and Dishwasher
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Comments (14)"Anyone who wants flush installation of appliances should read the installation instructions, many of which say that 25" from wall is required for flush integrated installation." Correct ! but you simply stated that any brand would be fine and went out of your way to promote the KA as an acceptable solution - when in fact it is not for the look the majority of people are after when they want a disappearing DW. This is not simply a case of foreign vs. domestic cabinetry or the depth of the Euro's being less. The N.A. standard carcass depth is 24" Period! Add to that the typical door of 3/4" and the KA simply WILL NOT WORK in that depth if one want to maintain a constant plane across the run of cabinets! I won't even go into trying to integrate a KA into framed inset cabinetry. It ain't pretty. "Miele's DW's may be easier to seat flush in a 24" cabinet, but their warming drawer doesn't. " Correct again! They did a piss poor job of implementing this product, and there are several better choice out there. but........................this discussion isn't about warming drawers or Miele! I could list you a dozen products in a minute or two that fail miserably in the marketplace, so what ??? "For the custom handle, any custom panel appliance will work. For flush installation, read the installation instructions to know the depth requirements!" Wow, what a revelation, thanks for playing. hey dodge - I TOTALLY disagree with you re: KA and Miele having the same quality - especially in DWs. KA has been steadily going downhill in quality the last decade and especially in the last 5 years. KA DWs of the 60's and 70's were very very good. Some of the early 80's gear was still top drawer too. Since Hobart's divestiture of the division things have not been as solid. This is also from personal experience, and I guarantee you I have, see in the field , and go through a lot more DW's than 99.9% of the public. Leaving your marketing bias out of it, you actually think KA's pumps, seals, racks, latches, stainless steel , fit and finish , and warranty are equal to Miele's ???...See MoreDishwasher -- fully integrated versus integrated -?
Comments (10)The exposed control panels I find a little easier to use, and they sometimes give info about where the dishwasher is in the cycle (useful if you want to know if it's almost done, or if you want to add a forgotten item early in the wash cycle). OTOH, the cabinet door panels vary in size from one manufacturer to another, and if *this* dishwasher fails you may be limited in what you can replace it with if you want to keep the cabinet panel. Sometime the exposed control panels are 6" tall (matching most U.S. cabinet drawers), others just 4" or other sizes. Miele makes some filler panels to adapt cabinet panels that are too short, but short of sawing off part of it (often not a feasible option) there's nothing that can be done if your new DW has a larger exposed control panel than your old one. Some fully-integrated DWs do have a light or other indicator to show it's on, either pointing downward at the floor, or upward making the small gap above the DW and below the countertop glow. Using a fully-integrated DW also means using your own cabinet pulls. You'll need a fairly large, sturdy, easy to grasp one for your dishwasher. If all your other cabinets have small round knobs, you'll either ruin the intended hiddenness with a big handle on the DW or have to grasp and pull hard on a small knob or handle (which I wouldn't recommend - it may break off over time). Integrated DWs with exposed control panels have the manufacturer's usual door latch which usually is easy to use. Obviously there's an aesthetic difference between the two. Most (all?) of us have exposed ovens, so I don't really see the point of hiding the dishwasher unless it really blows the symmetry or something. The low height of the open door has nothing to do with whether it's standard/integrated/semi-integrated, but rather is a result of the move to "tall tub" dishwashers with doors that open all the way down to the toekick, rather than 3/4 of the way down with a stationary access panel between the door and the toekick. The door on those old dishwashers didn't open as low as on the new ones, since the pivot point and thus the entire open door was 6 to 8 inches higher. Nowadays, only low-end dishwashers still use that design, which substantially reduces capacity. Whatever happened to top-load dishwashers? They were really easy to close, although harder to load. The drawer-type dishwashers are perhaps easiest to use, and the Fisher & Paykel drawers are shallow enough so the fully-integrated DW won't stick out in front - and unlike other brands, they have a few controls on a small plate that mounts near the top corner of the cabinet panel, available in different colors. I think GE/Monogram had a fully-integrated dishwasher that had a small panel that fit in a rectangular hole cut near the top of the full cabinet panel, not sure if they (or anyone else) still offers this....See MoreRefrigerator Decisions - what size integrated??
Comments (8)I have 30" Miele columns. I can get a LOT of food in the all fridge. I just made two MASSIVE lasagnas in stoneware pans with giant handles, so had to clear out a bunch of jars of this and that into the bottom drawer (which usually has meat and eggs) and my prep area fridge drawers (which are too small for the integrated pan handles!), so the made up pans could be refrigerated overnight and cooked in the morning, but most of those jars are things like jam, chocolate sauce, and nut pastes (many more than most people have), so could have sat out overnight if need be. There was still room next to the lasagna pans for some larger jars. The other shelves and drawers all had plenty of room for the regular food for the week, extra eggs, milk and cream for ice cream making, several half gallons of juice cooling for punch, a couple of big bags of kale for the salad, etc. I can't compare it to another fridge, but it really does hold a lot. If you want to check capacity compared to your current fridge you don't need to take heavy, perishable and delicate food to the store. Look closely at what you have that's hard to store. Look at the quantity of easy to store items. Grab a bunch of clean empty containers, jars, bottles, cans, balls, pillows, etc., that are similar sizes to your groceries, and approximate the sizes. Like one throw pillow can stand in for a foot wide drawer of produce. You can take those to the store in a few big bags, and play to your heart's content. Focus on the hard to place items, like if you buy gallon jugs of stuff (maybe good to take empties of the exact ones you favor), or giant watermelons (a rolled up bed pillow?), or baskets of strawberries. You don't have to take enough stuff to represent your fridge when full, just the normal stuff, so that you can see how much room is left....See MoreThermador vs Subzero refrigerator integrated columns?
Comments (9)Subzero makes 24" refrigerator drawers: https://www.subzero-wolf.com/sub-zero/counter-refrigerator/24-inch-refrigerator-drawers-panel-ready I have never owned a Thermador fridge. I owned a Subzero fridge/freezer combo and their fridge drawers in my last house. Next week we will have both a fridge and freezer column installed. I am short like you and not really worried about reaching the top of the inside of the appliance I never had a problem with anything in my Subzero appliances. We had the interior water dispenser and an ice maker in the freezer, never an issue. I will say that the ice maker took up almost one freezer drawer entirely and I was not happy about that. It left very little freezer room. Fwiw, my parents have owned a side-by-side Subzero with almost no issues for the last 20 years. Here's my thought on both the columns after looking at them online. Counter depth fridge / freezers are shallower inside then a standard fridge / freezer. Meaning, you will not fit as much in them. Everything will be more visible which is great! It looks like the SubZero offers a little more storage on the door, more shelving all the way down the door. The Subzero door shelves have less dividers so that you are not so limited as to what you can store in them. The drawers in the Subzero, specifically where you might keep lunch meat, are also divided to keep meats separate from cheeses. The undercounter drawers are slightly different across the brands. Subzero offers dividers whereas the Thermador does not. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but wanted you to be aware of the function. I don't know that one brand is substantially better than the other, so I can't answer that specifically....See Morecpartist
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6 years agoWe used 12" appliance pulls, here you can see the DW and fridge/freezer drawers.
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