New Dawn vs Awakening bloom size
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Comments (27)I would try that making sure to use a nice well-draining medium and keeping the leaves well watered or misted. If you had a slightly shadier spot with surrounding vegetation that might also be better, but I'm usually doing this Spring, Summer and Fall as opposed to Winter. If you have enough cuttings I'd try some in the ground and some in pots to hedge my bets. Perhaps use an inverted soda bottle with the cap removed to help hold in humidity. As Sheila alludes, buying another might be better, not only because rooting can be iffy, but also because it can take a while to grow a cutting to planting size....See MoreOT Clematis among New Dawn Blooms
Comments (15)The colours are great together. The dark purple with the light pink is very eye catching. I went out this past weekend to some nurseries and actually found a clematis that looks to be a similar colour to yours (which I love). Not sure if it will end up looking the same or not in real life as all I had to go on was the picture on the tag and sometimes it ends up looking different in person. The name of it is Etoile Violette. Jason...See Morenew dawn—own root vs grafted root question
Comments (11)Hi Saki Glad these comments were helpful, and we're always eager to help a beginning rose grower feel confident with their roses. The photo you posted is a lovely and very mature specimen of what looks like two or maybe even 3 climbing roses all splayed out horizontally along the fence. You can see one "fan" of canes spreading out from just right of center and another fan spreading from the left 1/3 of the photo. I can't tell if the cane stretching straight up in the center is part of a third plant with a few lateral canes or not. This effect is definitely a great thing to strive for, but I'd be totally depressed if I tried to get all my climbers to look like this, since not all climbers put out as many primary canes coming straight out of the soil as this one does. I'll show you two contrasting climbers for example. Colette looks the most like the photo above with several canes coming straight out of the soil that I'm encouraging sideways on my fence. Do remember that climbing roses have to be secured in some way to the fence - they won't climb on their own like clematis or other vines will. Mine is probably 3 years old, and you can see that it has three main canes out of the soil (I usually call them primary canes in a climber, but they come out of the base and I presume the terms are the same thing). Mine is own-root so there isn't a graft from which these canes split off, but if I'd buried my graft the 2-4" that is recommended in cold zones, it would look a lot like this too. Now, the reason you distinguish between primary canes and laterals in a climber, is that your blooms aren't mostly going to be directly on those primary canes that you bend sideways. Even in a young climber like this, you can see that the blooms are in smaller off-shoot canes that branch off vertically from these horizontal main canes - we call these lateral canes. The main/primary canes are toward the bottom of the fence, but the blooming laterals stretch up a good 2-3' higher than the primary canes. The more horizontal you can stretch your canes, the more likely the rose will put out laterals all the way along the length of those primary canes. That means you can have a fence full of blooms from only a few primary canes, even if the rose puts out a limited "fan" of canes. As Colette ages, she might put out more base canes, but I doubt I'd get the rich "forest" of canes in the photo above even when she's mature - particularly in any climbers that lose cane over the winter. Still, I'm confident she'll fill this part of the fence in another 2 years or so. Here's another rose that for me grows in a somewhat different habit. I've only seen one primary cane off the base of my Lunar Mist, and it's more like 4-5 years old. I bend it sideways in the same way as I do the Colette above, and it sends up laterals all along the length. Same principles of laterals and primary canes as above, it's just that the base of the rose is at one end of the array and the blooms arch off to one side off the primary cane that I've bent sideways. You can't quite see the base of Lunar Mist here, but it's off to the right and below the picture here, below where the clematis is. My New Dawn never got mature in the poor location under my oak tree, and we'll see what the new grafted version wants to do now, but at the moment it just has one big cane that I've stretched sideways like the Lunar Mist above. Climbers are very different when young vs. when mature, though, so you have to be patient with them. It usually takes at least 4-5 years before a climber has built up enough root structure to support a robust blooming rose, and not all of them will build this kind of fan structure very widely. Some will be more of a "rainbow" like my Lunar Mist. Regardless, the principle is the same and we encourage more growth of canes from the base in climbers as we do in any rose, with adequate water, maybe some alfalfa to encourage basal breaks, and patience, patience, patience. The rose will "tell" you what it wants to do over time. Just be sure to bend the young canes sideways when it's young, as robust climbers like New Dawn can get pretty stiff and woody in their primary canes over time, and they're much harder to bend. Hope that helps. Cynthia...See MorePergola- Awakening vs New Dawn -- or something else--Experience?
Comments (9)I would not go with New Dawn - she is SO thorny, and on a pergola, you have to do a lot of training and etc. I think New Dawn is best off in some less-traveled spot in the garden, where she can thug away to her heart's content and doesn't need much in the way of pruning. Can't comment on Awakening, as I don't grow it, but I suggest Peggy Martin. She grows FAST, is almost thornless, and the spring flush is spectacular. She does have some decent scattered rebloom over the summer and into fall (I don't dead-head her because she's so huge - maybe if you did you'd get more). Here are some pictures of her on my pergola: (sorry about the second one - I took that this morning and its really sunny out, so the color is sort of blunked-out, but I wanted you to see the whole pergola). Here's a close up of a flower: On my pergola, that is 2 plants, one I got from RU, the other that I started from a cutting (she roots really, really easily from cuttings, another plus). I'd say she covered the pergola in about 2 years. She doesn't have much scent, but still I think she is ideal for this purpose. Another thought is the beautiful Purple Skyliner, also a great bloomer and a fast grower. A little thornier than PM, but not bad, and nowhere near as thorny as New Dawn. Here's one of mine, growing on a pillar with Sir Paul Smith (again, sorry for the fact of the photo being taken in the super-bright sunshine, it does kind of mess up the colors, but you get the idea): As an afterthought, here's another shot of Peggy on my pergola. This one is on the shady side of the pergola. As you can see, a little less bloom but still pretty good: Good luck with whatever you decide on!...See Moretotoro z7b Md
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