Finally settled on house plans, would welcome any thoughts or ideas
mrgrt dmko
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New here - building our first home - any advice welcome!
Comments (9)Congrats on finding land you love! Below is a link to an old Gardenweb thread you might want to read before closing on the land purchase. If there are things mentioned that you haven't done before you close, they should definitely be at the top of your list to take care of ASAP. As for doing part of work on the house yourselves, it is certainly possible but how successful you'll be depends in large part on just how 'handy' you really are and on how much time and energy you have to devote. You don't mention having any children yet but, since you mentioned wanting 3 or 4 bedrooms and that you're in your late 20's, I'm guessing that you may plan on having a child or two eventually. A pregnancy WHILE you are in the midst of building can severely cut into your time/energy for devoting to the build while simultaneously putting a sense of pressure on you to 'just get the darned house finished!' LOL! So, my advice is be careful not to bite off more than you can chew. But, if you have some actual building experience already... like maybe having volunteered extensively with Habitat for Humanity or having done some major renovations on a previous home... and can accurately judge both your skill level and the time you'll have available to devote - then go for it. Nobody else will ever put as much CARE into building your home as you will! Getting a contractor who is in charge of finishing the entire house to agree to let you do certain portions of the work yourself MAY prove difficult. Contractors are much more likely to prefer to hire 'professionals' under the claim that they can rely on professionals to get in and get the job done and that having the homeowner do part of the work could delay the overall progress. It also puts you and the general contractor in a rather odd relationship in that, the general contractor works for you but, to the extent you are acting as subcontractor for some portion of the work, you work for him. It kind of blurs the lines of authority. It is also possible to enter into a contract with a builder to him do the foundation, framing, rough plumbing, roofing, and finish the shell (up to dried-in stage or to the sheetrocked stage or to whatever point you decide) and, once he has completed all the work he was hired to do, he gets paid and steps out of the picture leaving you to finish the rest of it yourselves...either by directly hiring subcontractors or by doing the hands on work yourselves. Getting a bank on board with this kind of plan can be a bit difficult though. Banks typically want the house to be finished and ready to be lived in when the last of the construction loan money is drawn down. Plus, if there are any warranty issues once the house is fully complete, it can be difficult to nail down responsibility. Another option would be to go the owner-builder route so that your are your own general contractor for the entire build. That way you hire can subcontractors or do specific jobs yourself, as you desire. You're in total charge. There are consulting companies that, for a fee (which is much less than a general contractor's typical percentage) will guide and assist you as you owner-build. They lead you thru the applicable laws so that you get all the necessary permits and inspections, advise you on the order in which to do various jobs...including how far in advance one usually needs to order certain materials, provide you with lists of pre-vetted subcontractors which you can choose to hire, etc. They'll even help you find banks that will give construction loans to owner-builders. Working with such a consulting company can give you the same clout with subcontractors that a volume builder would have because the subcontractors know that, if they don't do a good job for you, they lose all future business that might come their way via the owner-builder consultant. (And owner-builders tend to pay subcontractors ON TIME so, once they've worked for an OB, many subcontractors actually wind up preferring it.) Be aware that, as an owner-builder, YOU are responsible for any state mandated warranties if you sell the house to someone else before the warranty periods have expired. My sense, from being on this board for more than 5 years now, is that owner-building is MUCH more common (and much more accepted) in the south than in the north...maybe because we tend to have fewer laws that protect homeowners from being victimized by unscrupulous builders here in the south so, to protect themselves, more southerners decide to owner-build. Or, maybe it is simply because having warmer weather most of the year just makes owner-building seem more attractive. Let's face it, most of us know that we don't want to be freezing our buns off hanging sheetrock or installing tile in an unfinished unheated shell in the middle of the winter! We don't even want to have to be closely inspecting a sub-contractor's work when it's 20 degrees outside. LOL! I know at least a dozen different people who have owner-built custom homes (with guidance from one of several different owner-builder consulting companies) and every single one of them says that they saved money, got a nicer home, and would owner-build again in a heartbeat. As for plans... you have several options for finding a plan and there are pros and cons to each: 1) If you want a custom design, hire an architect and have them create one just for you. Expect to pay anywhere from about $5/sq foot to 15% or more of your build price for architectural services. Price depends how detailed you want the plans and specs to be and what services, if any, you want the architect to provide beyond just rendering basic plans. If you want the architect to oversee the build process (i.e., ride head on the general contractor) expect to pay quite a bit more than if you just want them to render plans for you. At a minimum, if I hired an architect, I would want them to provide plans and complete specifications and then agree to be available (perhaps for an hourly fee) to settle any disputes regarding interpretation of the plans. And I would also expect them to provide, for free, any additional architectural services that proved necessary due to any flaws/omissions in the original plans. 2) Find a design online or in a house plan book that you generally like, purchase it along with a CAD version, and have it modified as needed to meet local codes. Some of the online plan sources now ask where you plan to build. I assume they do so so that they can advise you on whether the plan you have chosen already meets the building codes in your jurisdiction or can be modified easily to meet codes. Unless you find a plan that needs very very little modification to suit you perfectly though, you may wind up wasting significant time and money going this route. And apparently a lot of architects really don't like being asked to modify a pre-existing plan. You may have more luck if you hire a younger architect who is hungry for work. Alternatively, take the CAD to a draftsman to revise then have it the revised plan reviewed by a structural engineer with knowledge of local code requirements. Note that, in this case, if there are any flaws/omissions in the final plans, you're on your own hook to work out an acceptable solution with the builder. 3) Find a house built locally that you like, track down the architect and find out if he/she will license the plan to you. Be aware that if the house was fully custom, the architect may have contracted with the homeowner NOT to re-license the same work within a certain distance from the original build. (Folks who have paid for a truly custom design may not want another home exactly like theirs being built a block away!) Building a house from a plan that has already been successfully built minimizes that chances that there are undiscovered flaws/omissions in the plan. 4) Hire a design/build company that has an architect/draftsman on board. The really major potential problem with going this route is that, once you have a satisfactory plan, you can't put the design out for competitive bids. You are locked into either accepting the price the design/build company gives you for building the house or starting back over at square one. And, if midway thru the build, you find you have to fire your builder (it happens) or he goes bankrupt (it also happens), I'm not at all sure what legal right you would have to use the plans to finish the build. 5) Hire a volume builder and just choose one of their designs. Typically the only customizing that a volume builder will allow is in the finish work. I.e., you can choose paint colors, carpet colors, and choose from among the a limited palette of tiles, hardwoods, plumbing fixtures, and lighting fixtures. Don't go in thinking you can ask them to move walls or add in a window or two. Probably won't happen! 6) Design your own home. This takes an immense amount of time and study. It is definitely NOT for the faint of heart or those who are unwilling to learn one heck of a lot about architectural design and building codes AND be willing to learn to use a reasonably good CAD program. It also probably helps to have a good knowledge of basic physics and, even then, you'll probably eventually want to have your design carefully reviewed by a structural engineer. And of course, if there are any flaws/omissions in the design, coming up with a way to fix them is all on you. Here is a link that might be useful: What do you need to do/know if buying raw land...See MoreFinalizing Plan with Architect - Thoughts?
Comments (5)The drawings are too small to understand well but it appears that the dormers are unusually narrow, the pediments are unusually large and the oxeye windows are placed unusually high. IMO the garage structure needs to be better integrated into the overall design. For instance a traditional colonial house should not have masonry under the window sills since that is only made possible by modern cavity wall construction techniques. If that is a chimney, it needs to be considerably taller to meet the building code requirement of the top being 2 ft higher than anything within 10 ft. horizontally....See MoreAlmost final plans. Comments Welcome
Comments (35)Cpartist- This is just a quick idea....I know you said you wanted a slider in the kitchen, but I really wanted to play around with the banquette idea! Disregard, if you don't like.... The buffet is behind the sofa, being used as both buffet and sofa table. The big front window has a window seat with shelves/cabinets on both sides. They could be low or high...maybe with a few plants on top! The back patio is wonderful. Any chance of extending the covered portion out towards the pool just a few feet? I know you have those roofing/square footage constraints, but it might be nice to have a little more shade. It's a great plan! I know you're going to love it :) Oh, that's supposed to be columns with vines (blooming) and maybe small plant area around it. Just enough for a little color!...See MoreClose to finalizing home plans, would ❤️ any feedback/suggestions!
Comments (29)There are some lovely details to your plans, and I love the elevations! With a home of that size I would make each bedroom with an ensuite bathroom including the boys rooms. It will make a difference for resale down the road. Upstairs you have 2 bathrooms not attached to bedrooms. I would lose the half bath and make duplicate baths where the Jack and Jill is now. or, keep the half bath and add the second ensuite. The extra cost for 2 baths with those bedroom is minimal compared to the overall cost of the home. The bath in your daughter's room is huge. Bigger is not always better. (I have had big bathrooms and a big house and sometimes the bigger rooms feel like a hike to get across! Especially the distance to the toilet in the middle of the night. The toilet should be closer to the bed in case there is a middle of the night in the dark trip to there) As the mother of a teen daughter, I would recommend a double vanity/sink, huge counter space and expansive well lit mirror that will accommodate a gaggle of teen girls putting makeup on and doing hair to get ready to go out or just because. That will make a bigger difference than all the floor space in there :)The only reason I would make that attached bathroom that big is if I thought I would use that room and have the kids doubling up in the other bedrooms there when smaller so you are all close. I would move the closets in your daughter's room to between her room and the other bedroom for sound proofing. That would allow some reworking of the bathroom. Noise proofing between rooms will go a long way to peace between teens who are playing music or games. Downstairs, where does the dining room table go? I would swap the entry closet with the half bath that is right by the front door. This moves that half bath right across from another bath, and it might be more clear one can be eliminated. Or keep both for big parties. The closet by the front door it too far as is. Awkward for guests to be arriving while other guests are exiting the bathroom right there! If guests come with purses or coats, where will they drop them? Maybe you already planned a bench in the entry area? If there is a long hallway that is interior and will be dark, I really like a window with direct eyesight as you walk down the hall. Such a window in your daughter's room such that if her bedroom door is open, you see out it if you are going down the hall. But it would give her more privacy if you had her bedroom door off to the left and the end of the hall could be a closet or lit shelves or niche. There is also an opportunity for a window at the end of the hall on the extra bedroom past the game room. If that is a guest room, not to be too paranoid, but would you want a guest up there with your kids so far from you? Is there supposed to be a door on that room? It can be made so the bathroom is outside of the room. It is far enough down a hall it is private if not attached. I would consider adding a closet to the "den" downstairs as a better guest room/bedroom alternative/extra storage space, and adding a door there. In general I try to avoid long halls since they are wasted space. I would add more closets overall such as to the game room. You can't have too many closets :) The mud room layout is inconvenient. You have to come in and go around the wall. I would have it be a bigger room without that dividing wall that is easier to maneuver and drop armfulls of stuff off (coats, backpacks etc). Folks here can give you more specifics. Overall, You have a very nice plan. There are just some nitpicky details I would change if it were mine :) But it is not mine, it is yours. So read all of the comments. Ignore the ones that are not right for you. And keep making changes til it feels right to you incorporating the comments that you agree with! As others said, you need thick skin to post here. So hopefully you will get some helpful ideas from all of the comments! :) :) I hope no one scares you away. I will look forward to seeing in progress and finished photos of your home! lafdr...See Moremrgrt dmko
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