Not familiar with these roses. What I can tell you is that some short climbers have enough strength to support themselves as shrubs. Others, which need more support, will merely turn into very large mounds of rose, with the canes arched over to the ground.

Jackie

What Jackie said.

There is some thinking that climbers won't send up those long canes if they don't know that there is a support available for them. The idea is that if you tie the short canes back to a support somehow that encourages them to grow longer canes because they know there is a support for them. Without knowing that they may only produce shorter canes that they can support on their own. I don't know if that has had any real scientific testing or not but it's something to think about.

I have seen a picture of a giant banksia lutea which was growing with no support in the middle of a field. It was a mound, at least 20 ft in diameter and 8-10 feet tall.

Jackie

I grow all of them, but only Nahema (1 year old plant from Ludwigs) is 6-7' tall in a pot, I made a teepee with 3 bamboo sticks for it to climb on. The other 3, 2 are bands on their 1st or 2nd year, 1 was a bareroot from Palatine last year, they're still small. I will make more teepees when they're older and taller, that's something easy for me to do. They won't be big climbers here in zone 6a.

Thank you everyone!! Summersrythm , I sure would love to see photos of nahema !! How has it been so far ?

sheila , that sounds so beautiful!! I'm hoping they will be graceful and beautiful mounds . Looking forward to seeing your garden pics in the spring !

Siel that sure is interesting!

Jackie , thank you for commenting ! I certainly can put a trellis up in the yard . I also will walk around and see maybe if some fence roses can swap places in the yard bed and free up space ! :)

Summers that sounds so cool. Do you have pics before it's completely covered?

If you get annoyed with the canes lurching about just get a plullar for them to "climb" on. I get em from amazon for $25 at about 7 feet tall (one with a fleur de lis on top) and it keeps the roses looking neater.

https://www.amazon.com/Achla-Designs-Fleur-de-lis-Trellis-78-Inch/dp/B000LRKS72/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1487731552&sr=8-1&keywords=Fleur+de+lis+obelisk

Price went up, but it fluctuates

Last spring I planted a bunch of climbers along our very long, winding driveway, hoping they will be happy as large, informal shrubs. I would love to have them climbing up trellises or on a fence but the only fence I have is deer fencing, which would not support a climbing rose. I have a few climbers on arbors, but you can have only so many of those. I've grown Colette as a shrub for years and she is doing fine, with the long canes pegged. I knew this was the way to go for me when I saw the following photos on various garden blogs. As a bonus, you get more blooms with the canes growing laterally instead of straight up.

There may be a short fence under there, but certainly not what you would normally think of to support the often 20' New Dawn canes in an upright position. Another thing to note is this one is growing in almost total shade, according to the owner.

This New Dawn was obviously pruned into the perfect orb. If New Dawn can be grown as a shrub, then, I think almost any climber would be a candidate.

A friend of mine uses large wire tomato cages to give her climber/shrubs a little boost off the ground. The wire eventually gets covered and lost among the foliage. I may do that for any that are too languid.

I really like the look of that, SoFl, thanks for the link!

Sofl, those are perfect and I'll add them to my amazon wish list!!

Flowersaremusic , thank you for the photos they are the perfect inspiration!! I think I'll place my order and give it a go. I'm the spring I'd love to see how your roses are doing!! I'm so excited now .

you can also consider self-pegging if you have the space or alternatively winding the canes around an obelisk. Both of these worked great for me as I have way too many climbers for the fence space I have available. Flowers, that New Dawn is SPECTACULAR!

Lilyfinch, I will post a photo in the spring - or summer. I have such a huge snow pack this year, I'm hoping I can see my roses by August! My season is already short in a good year. Remember, though, they were all new bands last year, so there won't be much to see for a couple years. Good luck with yours. I think you'll be happy growing them that way.

L G, those photos are from garden blogs. Just want to be sure everyone knows I'm not passing them off as mine. I wish they were!

I really like the New Dawn photos. I have 9 New Dawn, 3 White Dawn in my yard. That's a good idea to grow them that way. Mine are for climbing up trees and north facing wall.....

I only have 1 New Dawn growing on an old wooden arbor that's falling apart and needs to be replaced. I'm putting off cutting my ND down enough to take the old arbor out and get a new one set in place. summers, do your New Dawns bloom only once or throughout the season? Mine has one major bloom, then very few later on. There's a huge rugosa nearby that might be taking all the nutrients. Bet yours are beautiful growing up and into tree branches.

Deadheading is the key to get it rebloom. I started with 3 New Dawn (until last summer), 1 repeats, 2 are once bloomers, went back to their parent. I picked up more when I saw them on sale at a local nursery, 3 gal for $9.99, couldn't walk away, so I bought them all and now they're climbing on trees and north facing wall. They repeat in the shade.

I deadhead as far as I can reach, but I guess I need to get the ladder to get all of them snipped off. Growing it as a shrub would definitely make deadheading easier.

I couldn't reach 1 New Dawn with my rose pruners, so I use a hedge shears, you just need to cut off the spent blooms, don't cut off too much, just a little trim. :-)