How big of an arbor?

About 4'x7'

New dawn is a thorny beast ! Do you plan on walking under or near the arbor? It really is going to get larger than the arbor and require a lot of trimming and tucking or branches. It is very beautiful!! We had it growing on the side of a shed in pa and it was pretty but so thorny .

Do you have a wall or shed you can grow against? If I remember correctly it's branches shot up and out in a few directions so that worked well for us

I've grown several New dawn roses on different structures, including an arbor that is a bit bigger than yours. ND broke the arbor. The only arbor I have seen personally that was big enough to handle New Dawn is in the Boise Botanical Garden, and I'm sure it was custom made. It was probably 9-10 feet tall, though I'm just estimating. Diane

I'm not planning on walking under or even near the arbor. It's just because I think new dawn would do well in the spot. It is a tricky spot. I'm a little scared of new dawn. I was thinking of it last year but crossed it off my list. For those who grow it, is it worth the thorns?

The thorns? I'd say yes. What is more questionable is the combination of the thorns and the octopus growth habit. It requires a lot of attention to keep it remotely in line, and more space than most people realize.

I will say that it was not New Dawn that ate the intern. That was Elegance.

I have 5 New Dawn, two of which are ~80yrs old, growing horizontally along a low stone balustrade 80' in length and I'll be transplanting one of them to a fence as 5 is still too many! They will grow almost like a rambler ie. LONG. 7' is definitely too short if you want an arbor and it had better be sturdy. This is my favorite rose, but I'm glad mine is growing where it's easily tended, I don't want to discourage you from this ethereal beauty, but perhaps you might look at some of the lovely hybrid Musks that will climb or perhaps Nahema. I'm a newbie to most roses and am quickly learning every rose has its place. I think ND's is growing horizontally. Just my experience, though! : )

P.S, For me she's definitely worth the thorns. Since she was my first and was already planted in my yard, I didn't know any better. I just assumed all roses are thorny. However, I do prefer her large, but widely spaced thorns to those that are so tightly packed it's painful just to grab the stem.

I think it is absolutely beautiful in pictures and in anyone else's yard but my own! Ha ! I have over an acre and still can't see myself planting it again .

What makes the area tricky? Maybe we can help you find something else

I'm so glad I asked this question! The spot that I'm thinking of is on an incline and gets about 6 hours of sun. I'm trying to create a plant buffer between my house and the house behind me on the hil. There are already some evergreens so I thought a w roses would be pretty with the evergreen background. I thought of New Dawn because it can get big. I was going to build an arbor or maybe another structure that can hold a rose but I am open to anything free standing too. I was thinking of Madame plantier or Cornelia or Penelope and for the arbor maybe Peggy Martin.

i guess I'm looking for a tall rose that can do well with 6 hours sunlight. Thank you everyone for your help thus far! I'm rlly looking forward to tacking this space his spring because it is such an eye sore.

Gibson, if you're not set on having an arbour in precisely that spot, you always could plant a New Dawn there and have it grow up into the evergreens. Then put the arbour in front of the evergreen/New Dawn "background", with tamer roses trained onto that. I agree that New Dawn might not be a good choice for a structure. One of my first roses was a New Dawn, and , knowing nothing,I planted it smack in the center of the garden, on a path to boot. Every year, I dreaded pruning it; finally got rid of it. I'd definitely like to try New Dawn again, but this time plant it off in an area where it can just be left to itself, because it's so vigorous, thorny and unruly.

O,I forgot to add: the pearly pale pink of new Dawn's flowers would look smashing with the dark evergreens...