Curious as to why you wouldn't use Cheer powder on darks?

I personally do not use powders on any darks. More and More, I use liquids for everything. Although Todd (aamassther) mailed me a whole bag of Dalli Med powder from Germany, and it is a great powder!! It is not made for darks, but has no enzymes and no OBs. Must dose carefully, but it leaves everything SO soft. I have never used a powder before, that leaves fabrics crazy soft.

Todd also sent me the Grab Green Gardenia. While we both agree they smell absolutely NOTHING like gardenia, LOL, the scent is wonderful!!! I like it more than lavender vanilla (although I still like this scent). I really want to try the Vetiver. When I find it, I will buy some....just no one carries it.

Ditto Larsi. I don't have one category of dark. I have medium colors that get Persil for color liquid and Perwoll black for the black cottons. But the synthetics with elasticizers get liquid sport wash. No use for Cheer.

Totally agree on fragrance of GG Gardenia. Not gardenia but very pleasant. It lingers a lot even with good rinsing -- no need to use linen spray.

I got the GG Gardenia at vitacost. GG also has it on their site.

I use Cheer powder for all my darks and have been very happy with it.

Since when does Cheer have sodium percarbonate? I thought you all recommended it for darks since it has no OB. I use that & Tide for darks. Have'nt used Pearls for awhile, as my store doesn't sell it anymore. Use Tide with Bleach instead. Can' stand liquids.

Cady...Cheer powder has it yes but....sodium percarbonate neutralizes chlorine in tap water which often causes fading...there isonly enough SP in Cheer to nneutralize the chlorine in tap water but not enough to affect clothing or cause fading....its the **color guard* part of Cheer.

I think P&G used to use sodium perborate as it requires very hot above 140 to work and no one would wash darks on temps that hot, but sometime changed it to sodium percarbonate.

No worries there's not enough oxi to fade your clothes in Cheer.

mama, but, but, but . . . . . I use Cheer powder with warm/cool water for darks, and with hot (125 degrees) for undies, sheets and towels. Am I getting no oxybleach at all for my whites when I do this?

Pat, no you wouldn't be getting any whitening with Cheer powder. That being said if your whites are continuing to stay white using Cheer that's all that matters. Whites don't automatically have to be washed in oxygen bleach much will depend on how many minerals are in your water, and how well your washer rinses carbonates out, both of which are major causes of things not remaining white.

But no there's not enough percarbonate in Cheer powder to do any bleaching.

Pat, would you like to try some Euro Persil perls for your whites? Happy to send you some.

roc, you are a sweetheart, but no thank you. I am going to add SP to my Cheer. mama, thank you.

I've been trying (in vain lol) to reduce my detergents to only the most used/required. I have the Miele Ultra White for whites and Ultra Colour for the majority of the coloured laundry. I do still have several additional specialty detergents for various needs. I stopped using the GG pods because they were leaving white residue in my machine I'd never had before. I loved the smell but the residue was bugging me.

livebetter, I got a lot of scum with the GG pods and I didn't think it was spun away. Seemed when the water drained, the scrum just stayed on the clothes. I have a top-loader. No more GG for me either.

Hmmm...looks like you two will fit into my test...GG...I also found the white residue I think you are speaking about all over my doors rubber seal...I was not going to mention this until I knew for sure what was causing it but...several weeks ago I did quite a number of loads of sheets within several days.. I only used GG...night 1 I wiped the machine down before going to bed and thought what's that white stuff cause it wasn't there this morning. ..day two of sheets using GG...that evening the rubber looked horrid..lots of white residue. I did not believe it was the GG...but I washed the rubber down with a weak bleach solution and ran the clean washer cycle with Bleach. Everything back to order...I didn't use the GG for almost 2 weeks and no more residue. than i decided to was sheets again ...with GG...again at the end of the day I had residue and not a little bit. A lot...another clean cycle and its gone. I haven't used GG since this and have had no residue. Amiee took a pic so when she gets up I'll have her email it to my phone and post it.

I'm wondering how much of this residue Is now on washer parts I can't see. There's now no doubt in my mind its from the GG. Just for the record when I wash sheets I use very hot water.

Whatch think is in the GG causing this? I won't use them again I'm not risking my beautiful Duet for a detergent when there's so many others that don't do this....are my sheets clogged up with this stuff...probably. I'll have to do a good hot STPP wash on them.

I use GG all the time and zero residue -- ever! Very odd. Water is very, very different around the country, obviously,

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Not for you, then. OTOH, I had so much detergent residue from the All F&C tab when I did the cleaning cycle it was enough to do a small load.

None of this makes a whole lot of sense.

Whoa Mama, that's a lot of residue!! And I assume no one was washing in cold or coldish water?

Cold water washing in my house ...bite your tongue. Lol..also no one touches my beloved Duet but me so I know there's no cold water flowing in. Mostly very hot along with heater..or very warm..of crapolla I have lied...I do some prewashing using cool or warm.

I figured as much Mama! That residue is concerning, as well as a bit strange that many are having the same issue lately. I wonder if a bad batch got out or if it just took some time for the residue to start to appear?

Mama I love those GG Pods and just found 2 bags at TJMaxx. I haven't had a problem, it must be water chemistry. I am very sorry they don't work for you. I guess you could use them at your volunteer laundry job. I am giving you the title of Professor of Clean.

WOW..I have never, never, never had a single issue with a Grab Green (GG) pod!! I use them 2-3x a week, with water ranging from 105F to 200F. Some loads I use the Kitchen Linen cycle which is not a deep water wash and only does 2 rinses. Some loads with GG I use Cotton Universal or Hygiene which is a very deep water wash and I have 3 DEEP rinses.

After using a GG pod, the stainless interior and rubber door boot look literally polished and gleaming.

I am honestly totally floored that this is happening with GG pods. They are literally holy grail status for me!!!

I know AlexChicago and aamassther (Todd) absolutely love them too!!

So you can send me your GG pods and I'll send you my All F&C pods LOL.

mamapinky0 I didn't take a photo but yes it looked something like that. Took me a few times to realize it was coming from the GG pods. I haven't had any since I stopped using them. No idea what it was but definitely didn't want that in my machine or in my laundry. Shame because I really enjoyed the scent.

My concern is what if people arnt seeing this on their machine, but its on the washer parts, and in the fabric. Frankly my sheets looked, smelled, and felt teriffic. And all 3 rinses were crystal clear, but a hot wash with just stpp, no detergent this morning on one load of the clean sheets and I had a white powdery residue on the boot.

Roc...you get a white powdry residue from ALL F&G??

No residue from any detergent. And when they took the last machine apart to repair the heater the machine was pristine. So I have no worries.

But the All left over enough suds to do a whole new load. The All load was a king size mattress pad with one pod.

I have had several issues with the GG pods in my Miele. I actually quit using them for several weeks, until yesterday. Originally, I put the pod in the back of the tub before I added laundry. The semi-dissolved pod immediately made its way into the tub boot and smeared its self on the glass. This happened twice in a week. Then I tried it in the dispenser drawer, and it dissolved. With a full, absorbent load it all gets flushed away. A small load, nope. So, now I just use a bra/mesh bag or a sock or a pillowcase to deliver the pod to the wash. My washer is set up to only fill with cold water, which probably affects how quickly the pods dissolve. I also wash fuller loads than most people, which could potentially delay dissolving. Europeans tend to wash fuller loads than Americans, at full capacity. Since I have a European washer, I wash like it, because the machines are designed that way. I already do a ton of laundry and could not imagine washing 1/2 to 3/4 full loads all the time!

I ONLY put the GG pod and any pod or pac in either the lingerie/mesh bag, a bra bag or just put the pod in any sock (this works great). If I put ANY pod in the drum of my Miele, it will almost always get stuck on the rubber boot and not dissolve.

LOVE, LOVE Grab Green pods!!!

I don't have socks in many loads and don't bother with the mesh bag. I wrap the pod in a towel or any piece of clothing in the load. When the water fills and the clothes tumble against the baffles, the pod dissolves. Absolutely not more pod-in-the-boot or dissolving issues. No residue. Just clean, bright great-smelling clothes.

I never had scum floating in my washer on top of clothes like I had with GG pods. I mean, those clothes had been washed in hot water and either Tide or Wisk liquids in previous washes so it makes no sense. I'm going to just use GG pods and hot water tonight or tomorrow to see if the scum came from my water-hog top-loader. And to think I ordered 3 bags from Amazon. Jeesh.

@Pat, when using any powder detergent or pod, I get a film visible on top of the rinse water, even with the second rinse. I wouldn't call it scum, as it doesn't "feel scumy". Does this make sense? I might on occasion get it with liquid, can't really remember. But have never noticed any residue on clothes or washer parts. Well the one time I used a powder in the Bosch, using warm water, the powder didn't dissolve. Had to rewash the load.