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Question about Patented Rose
Comments (2)I am not a lawyer, but it would seem reasonable that if it was proper for you to only receive one cutting grown plant per pot, the burden would lie with the supplying source to insure you only received one in that pot. They chose to pot multiple cuttings in each pot, probably to produce a fuller, bushier, more mature looking product faster. This may or may not matter to the patent holder, and it is the licensee who owes the royalty payments to the holder. They may balance the multiple plants royalty opportunity cost against collecting payment for sales earlier, faster than they may have, had they chosen to provide only one cutting per pot, but would have had to wait longer for one to mature into the appearance multiple ones did at shipping time. More than likely, they didn't even think about it. Their primary focus was to provide acceptable product ASAP to fill the existing demand, making as many sales as possible, as quickly as possible. No, I don't think you were under any obligation to keep them potted together, nor to destroy the duplicate rooted shoots. Many of the grocery store minis you buy are patented and all of them contain anywhere from three to five rooted cuttings per pot. You aren't expected to pay a per plant price, just a pot price, just as you were expected to pay to your own root provider. It would also depend upon how the patent licensing agreement is worded. Some require a royalty amount for each bud used. Some of those require payment whether the bud grew or failed. Others only if the bud resulted in a plant. It may be that for own root production with this supplier, their license only requires payment for the number of sold "plants". If a dozen rooted pieces in a pot is considered "one plant", then that's what you pay for, though it could be that only one rooted piece is considered "one plant". Again, though, in that case, the burden remains with the provider to insure they aren't giving away product per their agreement. Kim...See Morequestions about ordering older roses for the first time
Comments (23)I'll not try Cl. Mme. Caroline Testout right now then,... I'm a beginner, and I think having stiff canes and big thorns on something I'm trying to train over an arbor (or even a wall) would be hard for me. If I get her, I'll try the bush form and just let it be a bush. Melissa, thanks for more info about training Crepuscule! that sounds pretty good! considering that I'm using pinks and hot pinks... would Crepuscule match ok...? The pictures I see online vary a lot. Sometimes it looks light yellow, sometimes peachy. Or would Cl. Lady Hillingdon be better for #4? I've heard people describe that one as being kindof a glowy light yellow, so that could be really nice with the other colors. I suppose I'm leaning away from using a pink climber in the #4 position since I'll have a pink climber on the front porch and a pink sakura tree (though that only blooms spring). I love sages and such, and I'm definitely going to use some sages and lavendars in the front with cl Eden (and I'm guessing I'll use Duchess de Brabrant under Eden) If I have room, maybe I can use some in the back, too? Right now I'm a little unclear on how much space there is. It's hard for me to imagine the size of the final roses and whether they'll tolerate some purple and/or yellow flowers growing with them...! a lot of people have had purple clematis growing along with their roses, but I think in this sunny spot that probably wouldnt' work. I'm lucky in that my neighbors have not done -anything- to their yard yet. There's nothing there but dirt. So I guess I can hope that they won't put a tree there? (or send them a plate of cookies with a request? haa...) As of yet, I don't have any neighbors on the south side at all. #9, I think, in the afternoon is getting shaded by the house. so probably not super scorcher? It sounds like based on what you guys said that I could probably use a Hybrid Musk,... sometimes you probably just have to try things, right?...See MoreQuestion about heirloom roses
Comments (29)Holly, thanks for posting the email for Classy Roses. They don't list the email on the website, just the phone number, and I can rarely get the time in the day to call so it doesn't get done. They are taking the opposite approach of deliberately hunting down roses that aren't offered elsewhere to offer as well as taking custom orders. For that kind of uniqueness, I'm happy to pay premium prices, and I was happy to pay whatever was reasonable for our dearly departed Vintage and Uncommon Roses. Paul, thanks for reminding us about the multiple costs involved in running a rose business that have to be passed along to the consumer in some way. I remember Paul Zimmerman at Ashdown posting an analysis of why his shipping costed what it did and how he didn't even break even on the shipping costs, and that's useful information to have when making decisions. The added personnel and storage costs of producing the gallons however makes Heirloom's decision even more puzzling to me. Why sink twice as much time, energy, and storage into producing the gallons for 2 years when they can move out inventory more quickly within one year at more industry standard pricing if they continue to produce bands? If a propagated rose doesn't sell, that's yet more non-returned expense sunk into that gallon if it sits around, and bigger pots to store and maintain as well. I do have a rose or two that's available that I'll probably pay their premium gallon prices for, but that doesn't make sense for the run-of-the-mill varieties for me. Incidentally, Heirloom is having a sale of up to 30% off selected roses (6 pages of roses) that clearly are the band plants they're moving out of their inventory. These are quite reasonably priced if you get beyond the $50 free shipping - I ordered 5 roses and stayed under $100 for the total bill. If we want to make the argument that band plants are viable products for Heirloom, we can speak with our wallets while the bands are still available. Cynthia...See MoreA question about Chamblee’s Roses
Comments (4)I visited them a few times after they were sold by Mark Chamblee and moved to Winona. At that time they were still own root. The grafted offerings must be a relatively new offering....See Morefilly_z8bFL
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