Insulating El Cheapo Harbor Freight 6'x 8' GH........
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6 x 6 polycarbonate GH at Costco- $199
Comments (5)I used a DeLonghi 1500 watt convection heater but would have preferred an oil-filled radiant type if I'd been able to get hold of one quickly enough. The convection worked just fine and has a little fan for quick-heating if needed; I just had to be careful to avoid putting plants directly in the path of that fan and be careful not to drop things down through the grate onto the heating element. It provided a nice even, gentle heat. For backup, we have a small Coleman catalytic model that will provide up to 16 hours of heat on a single one-pound propane cylinder. I wish I could calculate how much the electric bill went up, but the electric company really messed up in 2004-2005, estimating my bills and such, so that winter's usage is no accurate basis for comparison. None of this winter's bills knocked me off my feet when they came in though, and over the course of the entire winter, I don't think it was a huge increase ... certainly worth the enjoyment we all got from the greenhouse. (I'll have to sit down and do what I can with the numbers I have.) I had intended (wish I knew how to do italics here) just to overwinter a few marginal plants and some annuals, keeping the greenhouse just around 40 or so. The annuals were so happy, though, promting the disease to progress quickly and a revision of plans; I put many houseplants out there, bought some new things I'd never dreamed of trying before, and grew some herbs and a few vegetables in the greenhouse through the winter. This called for a warmer minimum temp of about 50 degrees. I did use a clear solar pool cover; it was big enough to wrap the entire greenhouse. I also placed 1-inch foam insulation panels along the north wall and north 1/3 of the east and west walls. The polycarbonate panels are edged with foam weatherstripping tape. Frigid temperatures disclosed drafts around the base, so I did a little retrofitting of insulation where I could and will do a proper job some time this summer. I have no doubt that there are better, more sturdy greenhouses on the market, but the little HFGH certainly took the winter in stride, including winds gusting to over 50 mph. I'd love a larger one, but this one has provided an opportunity, at a low cost, to learn what I personally will want - and not want - in a larger, more expensive structure someday. You'll probably be investing a good deal of time and effort in a greenhouse made of sliding doors and probably at least as much money as for the HFGH. There are some threads in this forum showing some fine examples; they can be strudy and handsome. If you are truly sure of the dimensions you want/need for the structure that's good ... but it would be a shame if you get it all done and into your first season decide you wish it were bigger, higher, whatever. I hope all this helps. Good luck with whichever you decide. Please keep us posted and maybe include some photos, especially if you decide to build your own. Diane...See More6' x 8' Habor Freight Polycarbonate Walls
Comments (5)gjfarm, I'm assuming you've already read through the many discussions on the HFGH ... if not, please take the time to do that. There is a wealth of information from experienced and satisfied HFGH owners, some of whom, I believe, are in Zone 4. First, please note that I'm in USDA Zone 7 (southern coastal New Jersey), with average winter lows in Jan. & Feb. of 23-24 degrees, frequent dips into the teens, and a record lows of -8. I'm sure that's much milder than your Zone 3/4 winters. That being said, I must say I've been thrilled with my HFGH and believe it's a very nice little greenhouse for the money, much sturdier than I expected. Of course, individual needs dictated by local weather conditions and how you plan to use the structure are very important. We built my HFGH in one day in November of '05, setting it on a foundation of treated 2x10's for extra height. For the winter I added interior insulation, exterior solar pool cover, weatherstripping and thermal mass. Maintained the temperature at a minimum of 50 with an electric convection heater without breaking the budget. It is situated beneath a high-limbed deciduous oak, so gets full sun in winter, shade in summer, and is somewhat protected from winds by that enormous oak to the west, our garden shed to the east and a wooden fence and wooded lot to the north. It was a delightful oasis on wintry days, provided lettuce, cherry tomatoes, peas, herbs and nicely blooming houseplants and bulbs through the winter, as well as wintering over many tender perennials. Definitely take your own needs and expectations into account and decide accordingly, but for my needs at this time, in this location, the HFGH far exceeded my expectations. Someday it would be nice to have a larger one, but for now this is truly a delight. Diane...See MoreHarbor Freight 2 - 6'x8' or 1 - 10'x12' greenhouses
Comments (6)Usable wall space might be another consideration. The side panels of the 10x12 are 6 5" tall. With the base/foundation, our side walls are about 7 tall. This will allow a 30" tall bench, a wire shelf above that, and a lower shelf under the bench top. So, three levels of plant space is easily possible (I generally have small pots of cacti and succulents.) The side panels of the 6x8 are 4 tall. The final height is determined by the height of the foundation added, so adding a 12" foundation could mean sidewalls about 5 tall. For my plants, that might limit me to two levels of plant space. The 10x12 does allows a bit more flexibility in floor plans. WeÂre building a long bench on each wall, and adding three peninsula benches off one bench, with standing spaces in between. Somewhere I saw a pic of a 10x12 with a U-shaped bench around all three side walls, and a small island workspace in the center. Not roomy, but possible. Regarding aesthetics, I like the feel of the overhead space, but I admit the GH does "stand out" visually in the yard. A shorter GH would have blended in better with our landscaping. I like it when IÂm inside, but when IÂm outside I wish I could crank it down a few inches! At least one member here has mounted a ceiling fan at the peak of the 10x12, another use of that space. IÂve considered creating a "false ceiling" out of solar pool cover in the winter, to block off the peak and limit the amount of air IÂll be heating. (I already have three horizontal braces in place at ceiling height.) IÂve wondered if the (roughly 10 ½Â) height of my 10x12 might help it feel coolerÂif the warmest air concentrates above the level of my head and my plants? But I have no knowledge to support that idea (my newly erected GH is still one big oven.) Maybe someone else has thoughts about thatÂIÂm too new to understand how warm and cool air behaves in these things....See MoreQuestion about Harbor Freight 4x6 or 6x8 greenhouse
Comments (4)A couple of things come to mind, Brian, when reading your post. 1. The frame is aluminum, a relatively soft metal, and I fear that repeated assembly and disassembly would tend to weaken the joints. 2. In SE Michigan, you are probably going to need some considerable insulation unless you plan on spending a bundle to heat your greenhouse. This means you will also have to remove and store your insulation material. (Here in Zone 7 coastal NJ, I use 1" foam panels inside on the north wall/roof and a clear solar pool cover outside.) 3. Could you find an alternate use for the greenhouse in the warmer months? It can get pretty warm inside in the summer, but with adequate ventilation and perhaps by replacing a few of the pc panels with screen panels during the summer, you might find it useful. I find it a safe haven for plants I'm coddling: young seedlings/plantlings or other plants that need a little TLC and protection from squirrels and other garden mischief makers. 4. If at all possible, go with the 6x8 at a minimum, You'll be surprised at how quickly it fills up; your plant collection will most likely expand, now that you have space for them, and, as long as you have the space, it's nice to have fresh herbs available through the winter ... and then maybe a cherry tomato or two, and perhaps some lettuce/mixed greens ... and so on. And unless you already have a sun porch, you'll find it a delightful place to spend time on an icy but sunny winter day; that's why I keep a chair in mine. We did assemble our 6x8 HFGH in about six hours or so. My oldest son and I did the assembly and my daughter saved us time by applying the foil tape to the ends of the panels. I added the weatherstripping later, only because I didn't have it on hand when we were first assembling. Our yard is also quite small, but the space "invested" in our little greenhouse has proved to be well worth it, especially in the winter! Good luck and enjoy!...See Moregltrap54
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