Is it wise to plant Tea roses in fall in zone 7a?
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Some of my Chinas and Teas in Central NJ, zone 7a
Comments (10)"Thomasville Old Gold" is at the bottom of my list of potted Teas alphabetically, but is near the top when it comes to vigor and growth so far. This came as a band from Long Ago Roses. Now onto the Chinas. I got a bunch this year. Some went in the ground, and they're doing well so far. In the bed with the aforementioned 'Napoleon' I planted 'Louis Philippe', 'Rival de Paestum', "Dutch Fork China", 'Ducher', and 'Cramoisi Superieur'. I already had "Grandmother's Hat" and 'Perle d'Or' in there, so with this year's Chinas, that area is "done with roses". In my little front yard, Chinas which went in this year are 'Arethusa', Comtesse du Cayla', and if you think of it as one, "Huilito". But this is about the ones destined to remain container plants. "Boone Hall China" is a "mystery" rose without a page on HelpMeFind, probably a seedling or close relative of the 'Louis Philippe' and 'Cramoisi Superieur' clan. It's a cute little thing so far, with cherry-scented blooms that hang down. Unfortunately, it's the only one of my potted Chinas and Teas which seems to be showing some mildew, but only a touch, and only recently. This came as a band from Angel Gardens. "Ferndale Red China" is another "mystery" rose I'm giving a shot here. It recently sent a new thick shoot, which grew rapidly and is terminating in a small candelabra. On HelpMeFind, bloom pics seemed so variable that I wondered if they were all the same rose. As I watch this one flowering on and off, I see how they really vary with the weather. This one came as a 1-gal from Rose Petals Nursery. I'm really looking forward to a barrel filled with 'Miss Lowe's Variety', and its rapid growth so far with me makes me think that it will accomplish this by the end of next year. This one came as a band from Rogue Valley Roses. I almost didn't want to admit that I planned to try 'Mutabilis' in a barrel here, being as it's so often touted as becoming a monster. Well, I'm going to see how it deals with one hard pruning in Spring, then letting it grow as it wishes the rest of the season. I have to do it anyway for Winter damage for my few other Chinas and Teas planted in the ground previously, and they rebound. Right now, this rose is a bit lopsided. When repotting it, I accidentally snapped one of its smaller stems, and it doesn't seem to want to grow back. But the other side took off. So here in my neck of the woods, the growing season is just what the Chinas and Teas seem to like for encouraging growth. The ones still in pots are in my "magic mix" -- three parts peat moss, one part Bovung dehydrated manure, one part vermiculite, and one part perlite, with 1/2 cup Garden Tone per gallon of mix, and a mulch of used coffee grounds. They get almost all-day sun, and frequent water. Those in the ground started off the same way. Give them heat, food, and water, and the Chinas and Teas will respond with lots of growth. And this is what I need here, since my Winters will take some of that away -- three steps forward, two steps back, every year. Those I'm keeping potted will go into either my garage or my unheated enclosed back porch for Winter, but I still expect to have to remove damage in Spring. They may never get as big and glorious as they do in California, but I'm thinking they'll work somewhat like Buddleia here -- they need one hard pruning in Spring to remove damage, but then let them go wild for the rest of the season. That they bloom for me all through the heat of Summer -- as long as they get food and water -- makes them worth it. :-) ~Christopher...See MoreBig honking rose / roses to eat a garage (Zone 7a)
Comments (5)I'm in a similar zone as you, in north central Virginia. You could go into the Tea Noisette family for repeat bloom and carriage house eating capability. Reve d'Or, Lamarque, Jean Desprez, etc. ... especially if the location is a bit sheltered from winter winds. Paul's Himalayan Musk wants to climb and drape, so it's well suited to train into a tree. Bloom time for Paul's is only about two-three weeks for me. Darlow's Enigma is a possibility, as I have seen it up to the second story of a house in Maryland. (Both of these have incredibly sharp thorns, just so you know.) I'm growing 'Open Arms' on an outbulding, with two other roses, and it appears to be well up to the job of covering the space. It flowers a LOT and the foliage is really disease resistant. I got mine from EuroDesert before they closed. HMF says that it's available from Heirloom. http://helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.18294&tab=1 How about "Peggy Martin"? Says that it's a once-bloomer, but my established plant is never without at least some flowers. Added bonus is that it looks incredible if it can drape a little, and it's thornless. Connie...See MoreMunstead Wood cane dieback - will it survive? (Zone 7A)
Comments (15)Wow, I totally did not expect the volume of feedback. Thank you all so much for all the honest thoughts and advice (if only my DA roses were this receptive to my concern lol.) This is embarrassing to admit but this is actually my SECOND Munstead Wood already this year, and I only started doing balcony gardening/rose growing this summer. The first one was a bare-root from DA, and did not come out of dormancy at all. This one survived 3 months, and when she was happy, she was breathtaking (more photos at the end.) I am so in love with the fragrance and color of MW so I won't give her up completely, but I probably should take a break from DAs for now. Reading through the replies, I initially was a bit confused as there seemed to be 2 schools of thought regarding the amount of water, but now I think you all are right because the sudden Black Finger of Death (thanks Cynthia!) is probably due to both the prolonged water logging (pot sitting in the saucer with drying soil) and the lack of watering recently. I will dig it up and post photos of the roots as my early Halloween offering for the everyone :). I have always been renting in the DMV (I'm not from the area) so a small balcony/pot ghetto is the most I can offer to my roses at the moment. I honestly don't know what possesses me to think I can grow roses in such space-and-light constrained condition, but I can't stop (already thinking of what to order form Palatine...) I am putting the blame squarely on everyone here for posting such inspiring photos and being amazing all around :). Hopefully the roses will do better in my next rental with slightly bigger outdoor space and no surround glasses. My recently deceased MW threw a huge party in July - the fragrance was so intriguing to me that I brought the pot indoor overnight for a day to enjoy the blessing in greater concentration hehe :)....See MoreTea Olive (Osmanthus fragrans ) hedge in zone 7a?
Comments (4)O. fragrans appears to be generally unsuited to local winters even in my part of USDA 8, with growing late into fall, resulting loss of most recent growth flushes some winters being seen. The Seattle arboretum does have an old, small (as in a few individuals) planting on a greasy clay bank that is supposed to be this species (and looks the part), seems to have been hardy. But it could be some kind of special wild collection* from a higher altitude or otherwise different in this respect (climate adaptation) from what has been on the market here. And maybe pretty much everywhere else in the US. Some species of shrubs are represented in cultivation primarily by tender forms that do not reflect the full range of the species. A prominent example is Camellia reticulata, with specimens of the typical wild plants having lived in Seattle plantings for decades. Whereas the old Chinese cultivars of that species brought back to the West from temple plantings turned out to be strictly for soft winter areas. Maybe there is a similar situation with the osmanthus. *Either I haven't thought to look this accession up in their planting records or I did and nothing illuminating was encountered...See MoreKnoxRose z7
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