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Comments (8)I don't like that the black stainless is easily scratched. I'd go with stainless. Perhaps you should check with the manufacturer if there is any chance at rust. This would really bother me also. FYI, I'm going to be building a new home and strongly considering Bosch....See Morehi, looking for advice on mixing appliance brands in a kitchen.
Comments (14)We have a Miele dishwasher that is now more than 8 years old, and still works as if it was brand new. The only part that needed replacement at one point was the backflow gasket. It is user-replaceable and at ~$40 not horribly expensive as far as appliance parts go (still too much money for what it is though). We run it at least once a day. So, we must have used it for around 3000 cycles by now. Interior organization is amazing. I can cram it so full. And even when I do that, everything comes out sparkling clean. I occasionally use the 30min Express wash option, and generally most things are cleaned even with the short cycle length. I have also, accidentally, run a full cycle without any detergent. And amazingly, things still came out clean. On the other hand, the Kitchenaid in the in-law unit struggles with perfect cleaning. About every second cycle, there are two or three items that never get 100% clean. Easy to fix manually when emptying the dishwasher. But having to do so does get old. The Kitchenaid cleans worse on its multi-hour cycle than the Miele does on a 30min cycle. That's just unacceptable. Also, don't even think about packing the Kitchenaid densely. First of all, the interior organization makes it much harder to load as full as the Miele, but secondly, any attempt to fill it to capacity will result in lots of unwashed dishes coming. At that point, you are better of running two daily cycles. We use the Kitchenaid very sparingly, as the in-law kitchen isn't used year round. I'd guess it has less than 500 cycles by now. But we already had to replace several plastic parts. In fact, we had to replace the same parts several times already. The biggest problem are the wheels that hold the top basket. They are made from inferior plastic that ages with every wash cycle. And eventually, the top basket comes crashing down. The good news is that Kitchenaid parts are cheaper than the Miele parts. Each time the basket crashes, I only need to spend ~$20 and I am back in business. And by now, I have gotten good at this and it only takes me less than 30min to do the full repair. For our in-law kitchen, that might actually have been the right purchase decision. The Kitchenaid was much cheaper than the Miele. But for daily use, I am glad we went with Miele. At this point I expect it'll last another 8 years. And amortized over 16 years, the premium cost of the Miele is negligible. We have a busy four person household and use the kitchen a lot; I need appliances that I can trust to work each and every time....See Moreremodeling kitchen-which appliance brands? Miele/wolf/thermador/ect?
Comments (20)@Landen Huey There are always pros and cons to every kind of burner or oven and what is a positive for one cook may be a negative for another. I have used both gas and electric ovens for more years than I care to admit to. Unfortunately there is no one universal best. Gas ovens with the exception of the infrared broiler on the higher end ovens and maybe lighting a different way haven’t changed all that much over the years. On the other hand electric ovens have. There really isn’t a simple electric element anymore except on the very low end. They no longer have an open element on the bottom, which changes the way some things bake. It is also probably the source of many problems with enamel chipping. They use computer boards to control the direction of heat from 3-4 elements cycling them on and off and they control fan speed and direction. There are some brands That you can never shut the convection off all the way. You can imagine it can be hard to get all that just right. In some cases the gas oven might be much more accurate than some electric ovens. I have an Electrolux oven which is spot on and heats very evenly but it has had issues with the blue enamel shedding as well as complaints here about the computer boards. I have a Wolf DF and it is not as accurate. It lags and if you turn the temperature up, you have to turn it off and back on again. There are some electric ovens that advertise very tight temperature control but that is only if you never open the door. The manufacturers also advertise “true” or “European” convection as evening out the heat, when many actually create hot spots. On the very epitome of control you have the CSO that also controls the humidity in the oven. All of these things can make some ovens more vulnerable. Aside from those issues gas and electric ovens function differently. Gas ovens have large vents because you need to vent the products of combustion. This gives you more heat and moisture in the kitchen. If you are steaming bread, it is hard to keep the steam in the oven though. Many people think has gas is moist heat but you have to look at the oven as a whole. The drier oven cavity promotes quicker browning so it is great for roasting. Electric ovens start with a dry heat source but because they have small vents, they hold onto moisture from food. This is good for baking anything that needs to rise. You can turn the convection fan on if you need better browning. If you would go with Wolf, I would try to get the current model. They are changing the DF range to have the fans in the corner like the M wall oven. This sets up air currents on the sides so hot spots. It won’t have convection bake mode either which is a slower fan so a little more gentle. This is the most usable conv mode on mine. I would guess it will have the replaceable bottom like the M so it can be repaired if the blue chips....See MoreResults of pro surveys on least reliable appliance brands
Comments (3)Interesting. Thanks for posting the link. Good contribution to the ongoing discussions here about how to assess appliance longevity and reliability. Some comments on the sources and their limitations: One is that the Yale Appliances Blog's rankings are limited in scope to it's warranty calls on appliances it sold. As most appliance brands offer only 1 year full factory warranties, the Yale Blog's ranking are not very helpful on assessing long term durability and reliability. Also, the rankings are for service calls of all kinds which can range from simple customer misunderstandings of products to serious product breakdowns. Second, the Puls report surveyed its network of technicians who apparently focus on servicing only major brands. Doubtless, we'll see some carping that the Puls affiliates apparently do not work on some of the higher end brands with strong fan-bases here. Examples would be Miele (which mostly seems to be serviced by the company itself and select contractors), Speed Queen (serviced by the selling dealers who are independents and probably mostly not part of the Puls network), and SubZero. Accordingly, the Puls report does not address, refute or support the kind of fan-base assertions of greater reliability and durability that we sometimes see here. Third, the Consumer Reports 10-year reliability data (linked from the FamilyHandyman article in your link) does cover more brands including some of the premium priced ones with strong fan bases here but has some limitations of its own. It is derived from CR's membership surveys. Those surveys used to exclude any repairs or breakdowns covered by warranties or service contracts (a/k/a 3rd party extended warranty contracts). They also asked for members' reports only on appliances no more than five years old. That somewhat limited the scope for predicting long term reliability and durability. Anybody know if the CR's surveys are still limited that way?...See Moresherri1058
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