I have two Carol. Savannah and Soeur E. I think both are going to be great. Both are new this year and have boomed pretty good. Soeur blooms last about 5-7 days in a vase. Love Love love it. Savanah hasn't blamed as much but was lots smaller in the beginning but growing like crazy. I'm gonna try to find my pic of Soeur. If I do I will post it. Judy

Yes, please post it. :) Which rose has the better fragrance.

Carol

No matter what anyone says, Etna doesn't repeat, and like a lot of supposedly repeating once-bloomers is a bit stingy with the blooms when it does bloom.

MITSOUKO is a wonderful rose for a first-yr one. Blooms like crazy. Lovely blooms too. So far has stayed under 3ft tall, but grows kinda wide.

LORISE is a lovely rose, but mine never looks like their photo. It's way pinker than theirs looks. And it's a major thrips magnet. Pretty when it gets a good bloom tho...

madgallica - thank you for the heads up on Etna not repeat blooming. I really needed that info!!

Beth, what do you think of Mitsouko's fragrance? I really appreciate all of the pictures!! I really like the last picture of Lorise.

Carol

I used to grow Soeur Emanuelle- its pretty, and smells rather nice, however it sadly never seemed to be quite happy. Blooms often ended up frying or just looking kind of crappy, same with the foliage (i was getting a bit of dieback on the canes as well. possibly it does better in cooler weather? or it didn't like being potted...or I had a bad plant.. I couldnt work out how to help it along, and it was so disapponting to get loads of buds and have them just fizzle out, that I ended up binning it last year in a big clean up.

I got Wedding Bells as a bare root last year, and so far its been a trooper, even though I almost killed it.. It leafed out and grew wonderfully, and seemed to be coping with the heat so well I left it in a really bad spot for far too long, and almost fried it completely. Took it most of autumn to recover, then it set two great fat buds which took forever to open, as they're really rather full,and it was getting quite late in the season. But they did, and while not as nice as some of the pics I've seen, they were pretty good, so I have high hopes this year. So while I cant really comment on the blooms, I can give it a heads up for vigor and healthiness of foliage- all through its travails there wasnt a hint of Blackspot- and just about everything blackspots in my garden:( There was a slight touch of Powdery Mildew at the top leaves on one cane at the end of last autumn,(also a problem here) but I haven't seen any yet this spring, although its showing up on some of the other roses.

I have Crescendo from Palantine, it's doing well. Just planted it this spring and it's putting on size now.

I had Razzle Dazzle, but I killed it, left it in the pot too long and forgot to water it. The one bloom I saw on it was very nice. I'm thinking of reordering it.

I have Savannah, it is growing very well in a spot with a bit too much shade, has bloomed steadily one or two blooms all summer, very nice fragrance. I will have to get out the blue cups though, the thrips like it.

I bought 'Savannah' because I have a granddaughter of that name.

I have to conclude, so far, that 'Savannah', the rose, is perhaps best in warmer zones. For me it has been a puny grower, which rarely blooms and is prone to BS.

mcnastarana

I have to conclude, so far, that 'Savannah', the rose, is perhaps
best in warmer zones. For me it has been a puny grower, which rarely
blooms and is prone to BS.

Warmer than your zone?

I chose Savannah because it is recommended for the South, and I'm in z8 SE Virginia near the NC line. I've never seen an own-root plant take off so fast; it's now about 4 feet by 4 feet. I may need to move it up to a 22 inch pot!

I pinched it for quite awhile but am now letting it bloom. It actually produced a candelabra with 3 fat buds!

The other two new Kordes HT's I purchased really suffered thru record temps in July but Savannah love love loved it!

Disease or winter colds aren't an issue, as I overwinter them in the garage. However summer warmth is an issue. A rose like Savannah that needs hot summers might not do well here.

Mossy - I love your pictures!!! Darn, I wish it would do well with our cooler summers. But I think I'll pass. :(

Buford - what did you think of the smell of Razzle Dazzle??

Curdle - you like the smell of Soeur Emmanuelle? It's supposed to smell like lavender, fennel and anise (someone else posted this elsewhere). I really, really want to get this rose - but I'm afraid I'll hate the fragrance. What did it smell like to you? What do you think of the fragrance of Wedding Bells?

Thanks everyone for your thoughts on these roses!! I think I'll get Crescendo and Wedding Bells for sure. Not so sure on Soeur Emmanuelle and Razzle Dazzle.

Carol

We have much cooler summers than so much of the country, this year particularly, and Savannah doesn't seem to care. She sure isn't 4' x 4', but she is steadily growing and blooming.

My summers too are cool & so far (planted last spring) Savannah is doing really well. I allowed one bloom & pinched the rest, it was gorgeous.. No disease yet & about 30" tall now. I'm happy with it.

Jane

Opps- I noticed I kind of rattled on but didn't address your questions about fragrance- Unfortunately I'm not a great expert on smells seeing as i seem to be lacking in the ability to pick up certain scents ( can't smell Ebb Tide at all, tried on several different bushes, even had others sniff and assure me there were nice smells to be had). But considering that, I did get a good scent out of Soeur Emanuelle..but it seemed more lavender and possibly a bit citrusy? I have heard SE is supposed to change over the course of a day... (but then those are some of the scents i pick up most easily ). So far I haven't smelt anything much from Wedding Bells at all.

I have Crescendo. It was fabulous it's first season but didn't winter well and is a complete dud this year. It's been growing steadily backwards this summer. I've had only one flower on it all season.

I also have Dolly Parton. The color is gorgeous and the blooms are huge but it's a slow repeater and they blow very quickly. Mind you we've had excessive heat this year and that could be why it blows so quickly but it's looked like so much orange rumpled crepe paper all summer.

I don't remember the fragrance of Razzle Dazzle, but the color was a nice orange.

rosecanadian- I also noticed palantine updated availability n was starting to compile a list . but isn't it too late in the season for bareroot in our zones or is ur list for next spring .

Palatine will hold them for spring shipping but if you don't order now they'll sell out of a lot of things really quick. They start taking orders on the 9-12-16.

thanks for the tip . I will go ahead n order it for spring shipping.

You can take order now. I ordered a dozen or so yesterday

Wow farmerduck, you are clever. How did you do it when there is no "add to cart" button? I can't find it.

rifis, My guess would be at least 6b or warmer for 'Savannah'. For me in 5a, it has been an extremely slow grower. I suspect it needs more warmth over a longer season than is available here. I have 50s floribundas which grow faster and better than 'Savannah'.

Mossy and Jane - it's good for cooler summers. I like that!!

Curdle - so lavender and citrusy for S.E. That sounds good! I would love that!

Seil - that's too bad. Crumply dried petals and the other rose didn't like your winter. I don't think either of those would be concerns for me (except for the slow repeat). Sounds like you need to shop for 2 new roses!!

Buford - yes! I love the orange color!! I really want that color. :)

Devsense - yes, I order now and tell them where I'm from and to deliver them in the spring. They send them when it's good for my zone. I think you pay for some now, and the rest in the spring.

Farmerduck - really!! Now!?? Wow, I've been away, I've got to get going on my list. :)

Have fun everyone with your rose ordering! And thanks!

Carol

I've narrowed my choices down to these:

1. Crescendo

2. Erotica

3. Lorice Wojciechowski

4. Marylou Whitney

5. Soeur Emmanuelle

A lot of others I took off because they're too short or don't do well in our cooler summers.

All your choices are gorgeous , Rosecanadian ,Happy shopping...I usual start getting the itch to shop for roses in the dead of winter around JAN or FEB ,but I have decided to wait until spring next year and drive down to Palatine..I rather enjoy this tremendously....I sure hope I can wait....

Happy shopping\Rose garening

Thanks!! Ooooh!! Driving to Palantine would be wonderfully therapeutic!!! Yes!

Carol