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Would New Dawn be too large for this area? Other suggestions?
Comments (12)I would suggest other wichurana ramblers such as Leontine Gervaise, Alberic Barbier or even Albertine. I grow a good few ramblers and climbers in very tight spaces - although they will cover a fair amount of wall (and go round the corner - they have cane flexibility) they can be kept quite tight to the wall - almost 2 dimensional. The hardiness may be a factor but on a south facing wall, I have found the wichuranas to be fairly tough roses, Failing that, I will also second Nahema as a rather lovely, well behaved rose but there probably is a hardiness factor to consider there. If you were not desperately bothered about rebloom, take a look at the ayreshire ramblers (yes, I know they can get huge) but you will not find any rose as flexible and well behaved as Ayreshire Splendens. Finally, there is a lovely helenae hybrid called Lykkefund which is both thornless and easily trained and may well be jardy for your area - it is a huge favourite in Scandinavia....See MoreCan I move my New Dawn rose now?
Comments (3)Raptorfan, I am not sure what your local conditions are like at the moment, but usually plants are best moved in Spring or Fall, when the soil thaws and the chances of frost are slim. This should be done before the plant leafs out, (when it is still dormant) and should help to minimize transplant shock. You will certainly want to move it before the weather gets too warm. Many people like to 'prune' the roots first in order to help minimize shock as well. You dig a spade in a circle around the outer edge of the rootball (not too close to the plant, you are not trying to cut off all of the roots, just trim them), and then let it be for a few weeks. Oftentimes when using this method it is a good idea to backfill the crevice with loamy soil. After 2-3 weeks the entire root ball is dug up, and then moved to the new location. Before you begin, dig a good sized hole and amend it with a bit of compost or other humus rich soil. Be sure to mix in some of the native soil with the compost as well. Water the plant after transplanting to help the soil to settle around the roots. Roses prefer a site in full sun, but you may find that New Dawn will tolerate part sun. You will want to wait before fertilizing it. Depending on how large the plant currently is, you may want to prune it back a little; this is something that is often done when transplanting various plants, trees & shrubs that also helps the plant to develop its' new root system as it will have less top growth to support. In order to help the plant grow onto its' new support, you should tie it on (as the new shoots grow) with garden twine (we use sisal twine, which will eventually decompose, but you can use many many different things). Do not tie the stems too tightly (you don't want anything that will constrict the canes as they grow) just enough to give it some support and grow freely. These ties should be checked a few times during the growing season to ensure that they are not restricting growth or getting in the way, and are still secure, etc. When digging your rose up, be sure to try and keep the root ball intact. Do not pull on the stems, or carry it by the stems; it should be handled with care. New Dawn is usually a very vigorous rose, but how long it will take to become a 'good size' it depends on the age of the plant and exposure, and so on. Over time it grows to approximately 12 - 18 feet in height x 6-10 feet in width. Good luck with your transplanting! -Plantenthusiast_2008...See MoreNew Dawn Climbing Roses along a fence?
Comments (34)I have become convinced that ND is not suitable for an arbour unless you combine it with a swag and then diligently train the canes onto the swag. In late July we will be cutting our ND back completely, to the top of the arbour and starting over, swagging every cane of a suitable size from the begining. The consensus of rose folks seems to be that ND will survive the treatment. We didn't start swagging our ND until there was already a thick accumulation of canes on the top of the arbour and dangerous tentacles reaching out everywhere - those thorns are NASTY! Even with the swag, the volume on top of the arbour has grown, because it's not easy to work with the stuff up there because of the thick tangle of older canes - not to mention at least three different clematises... I am concerned at this point that ND will bring down the arbour/south alley gate if we don't do something about it! So it's time to clear the slate an start again. My advice is only go for it if you've got an appropriate set-up to control it and are willing to be diligent in controlling it (which we weren't for the first few years, and then it was too late...) Given our experience I really think the appropriate place for ND is trained along a relatively low fence (4' or so); tie it in to the fence as if the fence was a swag. A low fence would make it easy to work with it - as opposed to needing a stepladder in the case of an arbour. Good luck....See MoreSo I've decided that I want to move the New Dawn bush, when should I?
Comments (16)Great minds think alike! I also planted VQ to co-mingle a bit with my ND. :) I think the difference in colour and bloom form is just enough to keep it interesting. Regarding transplanting now vs. waiting, I would let it finish its flush and then move it if it's an established plant. However, your cool temps would be perfect if it's fairly young. I'm also a newbie to general rose growing, but have had 75yr old ND for years and have now transplanted them multiple times, most recently this Spring. With the help of everyone on this forum it was very successful. I got as much root ball as possible and dragged them on a tarp to their new location, having already dug and amended the new (huge) hole. I water in after adding ~half the soil and again at the end. I also make a little berm around it to keep the water from flowing off. Lots of compost, but no fertilizer. I watered well until established. Two of the transplants didn't miss a beat, and the other lost its first set of leaves to shock, but...See Morejjpeace (zone 5b Canada)
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