Draft Fall Garden Plan - requesting input (veggie newbie!!!)
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Comments (35)disappointed Gardener! Yes I am, I am disappointed that last year was the first time I had been able to do more than a couple of tomatoes, due to time and space issues, space is no longer a problem, disappointed at the amount of time my twin 5 yrs old's are prepared to attend, "their" garden, way to keen, disappointed that I will never be able to keep supply to demand, disappointed that I don't seem no matter what I try, beg, borrow, steal! I can't make a huge Compost heap.... Gardening is not just about the veg at the end, if it where, no one would do it, I love the time I spend, examining, weeding, spending time with my boys, teaching, their keenness on the growing process, the look of pride on their faces, when they have pulled out from the roots, the first tomato plant, with 1 very small, very green tomato on it... I as hinted at before only started gardening last year and boy I have learned a lot in that time, I had to start from scratch as although I gardened as a Child with my Dad and Pop, that was in England, and the rules of the Game are different there, such as tomatoes are difficult to grow without cover. I started with Books, catalogs, and the internet, which was when I got my first bit of the mania which comes with Gardening, I brought almost every seed available to mankind..even stuff I don't like or in some cases had never eaten... I managed to reign myself in and start small, a couple of lonely stacker boxes, without friends and Marg' tubs and dollar store trowel... not enough, I needed more, so I hunted about and used one of my sons old toddler, beds to create a raised garden bed, not enough, I need more... so I brought 2 more beds... It is an addiction, to which the only Patch available is a Veg Patch. I am champing at the bit, to crack on this year and I plan on more raised beds including using the other Toddler bed.... I used raised beds as my soil wouldn't even grow weeds. link hopefully works and shows my toddler bed of which I am disproportionately proud. open to contact, nothing else to do until the weather warms up :-) Here is a link that might be useful: My small start...See Moreaddressing newbie and newer member issues-first draft.
Comments (78)Newbies: Ldylahla, Firecandle, parishumphrey, hdibikerchick, mwood4d... ****The Adopt-A-Newbie list is elsewhere.**** Follow the link below. If you would like to be put on an adoption list, post on the Adopt-A-Newbie thread (link is below) not here. On that thread, you can be found and adopted. Sign up! (This thread right here is a newbie issues thread, how to change your member details, how to set your email, how to make a 'have list', etc.) Here is a link that might be useful: The Adopt-A-Newbie list...See MoreFall Veggies
Comments (32)Violet, I know you're not a robot! lol OK, couple things. I know you put a lot of confidence in County Extensions but as you know from the posts in my Garlic Bed Free til October... thread, my experiences with them were rather poor. The first time I ever called my Extension office was to get the "last frost date" for my city. I know I didn't get a straight answer from them... matter of fact, it was a long time ago and if I remember correctly, they either couldn't tell me, didn't know, or gave me a range of maybe 10-14 days... or a combination of them. That, to me, is unacceptable. Living in the city, while there are microclimates, it's not like I asked for the last frost date of my specific address right down the the house, nor did I ask a complicated or trick question like what is it for the county (which would be hard to answer because of the different locations, topography, etc. This was back in the 1990's, maybe things have changed and they are more organized and can spew answers now at half "Violet-speed." I'd be even satisfied if they spewed answers at even one tenth as quickly as you. I hope things are better in other County Extensions than here. As for hardiness zones, I find them pretty useless because they really are just indicators of how low your temps ever get. You can have the same zone in, say, northern TX as western NY over 1000 miles away, but high temps can be 30 degrees difference on a given day. And last frost dates can be months apart. And seed starting dates can be months apart for the same veggie in those two zone 6 states. When I joked about you finding the frost dates, I really just meant to find sites that listed them. I would never ask you to compile them here, but meant links where just about anyone can go to the same site and look up their closest town to get a reasonably accurate frost date. I think the old farmer's almanac, Victory Seeds, and a few other places may have frost dates listed for many towns & cities. I think this would be more helpful to everyone than the chart and link to County Extensions, plus, in direct relation to this thread's topic, could be used with the chestnut-sw.com link I provided to answer the question of what can be grown for fall & when to start seeds. As for the reply to Karen about not breaking any rules, I think you took that the wrong way. It wasn't about posting govt/county extension info here on GW, but posting pics. GW's rules say pics are to be 60kb or less, it was just a technicality I was citing you on--that asparagus & beans page for Missouri is almost 200% the filesize allowed by GW... and we all know how often you post that pic to make your point! Even the last chart you posted for CO is over the limit allowed! I don't post pics as often as I used to... I used to post a lot of pics on the Growing Tomatoes Forum on GW. To stay within GW's guidelines, a lot of work often goes into "preparing" a pic that will meet the guidelines--not just resizing & editing, but optimizing, reducing filesize, etc. And if it's your own pic, uploading it to a photo account, add setting permissions & file attributes, etc. Sometimes it's a lot of work that is never realized by viewers who see the pic--for example, the Fall GrowGuide pic I posted went thru the website, into Adobe, screen captured, cropped & resized in an image program, compressed in a Jpeg optimizer program, uploaded to a webspace where permissions & attributes had to be set so anybody can view it, and "img src" html tagged in my post. As it was originally, it would have violated the GW pic size limit. You also wrote, "I could add the answers to the FAQ but then the FAQ would be a book and then there would inevitably be criticism for referring people to the FAQ over and over..." Actually, the first thing GW says, on the forum's first page, is, "Before posting a question, please check the FAQ and do a search to make sure it hasn't already been answered." I know writing FAQs is a real pain, I helped on parts of the Growing Tomatoes Forum's FAQ and it was a lot of work that often goes overlooked. But even if you think it would be "as long as a book," the answers would be present for everyone to see without even having to post or start a thread. Referring someone to the FAQs may be easier on others than seeing the extension pic as the answer all the time... or the IPM post... Don't worry, you won't be relegated to "Maytag Repairman" status from your near-robot-like current self! (*wink*) Sincerely, 'MaterMark...See MoreGeographic limits of midge- your input requested
Comments (99)It depends if you want to go the organic route or not. Moses sprays just the new growth with Bayer Insect 3 in 1 is a systemic if applied as a soil drench which amkes any part of the plant toxic but spraying just the new growth and tiny buds is less toxic. If the bud is larger than a green pea it should not be susceptible to midge at that point. Others use Spinosad on just the new growth and buds. Both are very toxic to bees though so caution is necessary. Moses sprays at dusk when the bees are not active. I have rinsed the soil then potted the roses up in purchased potting soil then wrapped the pot with a plastic shopping bag tied around the cane base to try to keep any midge from dropping into the potted soil. These will be going in the ground pot and all over the winter here in MA. and planted next spring. I'll rinse the soil from the roots again and keep an eye on new growth for signs of midge. It seems it takes a while to eradicate this scourge from the garden. I've also used the yellow cups, in my case pinwheels, sprayed with vegetable oil to catch the midge as they fly around. Patty from IL has had very good luck with the cup method as has Samuel from NY. I am catching insects just not quite sure if they're midge or something else. It seems it's a long drawn out process to rid your garden of midge but taking precautions should help a lot. Jim and Samuel are also trying beneficial nematodes to see if this will help. Here's a link to that discussion. http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/4834388/jim-in-pa-and-samuel-in-adirondacks-which-nematodes?n=57 and here's Moses routine- http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/4331751/rose-midgean-approach-that-works-for-me?n=18 Hope this helps. Sharon...See Morebabushka_cat
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