I hear you! The trees I have from them are all very nice and so nicely shaped. I even have a Seville sour orange from them that was one of their tiny trees and it is growing into a very nice little tree. I have three of their large trees being sent out next week...can't wait!

Want the truth? Basically it's because they have so many kinds, ship, and have multiple sizes.

the trees themselves are nice but so are other suppliers. The rootstock is decent but not the top ones. C35, fd, 897, are all better in my opinion but they couldn't do every kind in multiple stocks affordably.

Pip, is the rootstock that Harris uses superior? I have noticed that although my FW trees look better and fuller when they arrive, and continue to do well, the ones from Harris (that are often gangly and need a little TLC) are growing faster and more vigorously.

Well, the Seville orange I got from FW this spring is growing very quickly now, but it did not initially.

The right rootstock with a good graft is all you need.

My Harris citrus Meiwa Kumquat on Kuharske Citrange is growing about the same as my New Zealand Lemonade tree on four winds secret dwarfing rootstock. My 2 Seed grown Fukushu Kumquat trees are both growing better than either of my grafted trees. I wonder if I could graft a New Zealand lemonade tree on a seed grown of the same if it to would grow faster with less grafting related problems. I know that the Meiwa kumquat has never been successfully grown on its own roots to produced more than a sample of fruit

Harris dwarfs, mine was on flying dragon. I prefer that.
But I no longer own any trees.

Pip, what happened to your trees? I do not have a meiwa Steve. I ended up with a Fukushu, partly based on your suggestion.

Gave them all away. Moved to Arizona, have to start over. But hey, zone 10a. No more indoor trees.

Nice congrats Pip! Can you go in ground or will you stay with containers? We'll be expecting a lot of pictures out of you that's for sure ;)!

Containers. I'm technically homeless at the moment. Squatting in a vacant apartment. But once I find a place it would still be a rental.

Congratulations Pip.

A man of you quality and high standings should not have to deal with frost

Good luck Pip! Get yourself settled and then start acquiring some nice trees. I love that area! Please keep us updated with your new trees!

Good luck, pip. Sounds like an adventure.

Yes it will be fun for us cold climaters to see what is possible in a proper environment. I'm excited for you!

Hobby, I'm going to repot mine in a little while, but yes, I've noticed their mix is much better than other nurseries...much lighter and airier..

Hobby, I always notice that too! Did they happen to send you a small packet of their fertilizer called 'Romeo'...? It's great stuff to use in between using Foliage Pro)

I agree! Four Winds Trees are very nice! They also package them really well for shipping. Mike, I have never received any fertilizer with any of my shipments from Four Winds. Maybe they no longer do that??..

No, no romeo either... but remember my trees go through several sets of hands before getting to me....