Love Song vs Poseidon in the land of hot and dry
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Comments (20)David- Those maps confirm a few thoughts of mine as well as my experience: Minor/short term droughts (D0 and D1 on the drought monitor) in the Mid-Atlantic are far more common here than Ohio, occurring somewhere in the Mid-Atlantic almost yearly, at least for a month or two. Severe, long term droughts, however are pretty rare, as is the case for most of the Eastern Seaboard. Our last really bad one was 2001-2002, and I lived in Ohio at the time (OH did have a moderate drought one of those summers IIRC). 2007 was fairly bad, but ended quickly with winter and spring rains in ’08. Ohio, however, is more prone to the droughts that spread from the Central Plains and those can be more severe than what we get in MD, especially in NW Ohio around Toledo, which tends to be drier than the rest of the state anyway. Summer rainfall reliability – the Standard deviation issue is real – while average JJA rainfall in Akron and Baltimore is not all that different (around 4” for June and July and 3.5” for August, more or less), Ohio’s cooler summers mean more overall moisture stays in the soil (the difference is admittedly probably slight – temps only run about 5 degrees cooler), and our reality in MD is that 4” average for July really means about 3 years out of ten where we get 5” or more, 4 years we get under 3”, and a couple that might work out near “normal”. Ohio does see that but to a lesser degree from what I remember – except for 2003, when my backyard rain gauge in Akron clocked 11.23” of rain for July. Although we’d all love to just have a nice 1” of rain every 6-10 days all summer, falling over a 12 hour period at night, with sunshine in between, it doesn’t ever work out that way. Reality is we’ll get 3” in a thunderstorm, then nothing for 3 weeks, but plenty of dreary days scattered within, with sprinkles or pathetic showers, where the average clueless Joe says “but it rained yesterday!” when I complain about watering the garden…but Joe doesn’t understand that the 0.02” of rain that ruined his son’s soccer game didn’t do jack squat for my plants....See Moreroses on clay vs sand in hot climates and cold climates
Comments (51)Came back to this thread to check on Comte de Chambord, yes, Val grows it, and I agree that needs loamy soil, lots of rain, and healthier if alkaline. Comte is rooting easily in my wet baggie, and rooted easily in heavy out-door rain, while other cuttings rot. Comte has aggressive root and can root easily in alkaline sand, but I need to make my rooting-medium more acidic for the cuttings which are harder to root. Pink Pet definitely likes dry/loamy soil and warmer climate (Val's pic. is awesome). But died in my soaking wet clay last winter....See MoreBlue/lavander rose to replace Love Song
Comments (34)I got Mamy Blue to compare her with CDG. Unfortunately they aren't blooming at the same time, but you can see the difference between their colors in my pics in this thread. These are FULL SUN pics to show true colors. Sure, "blue" roses look "bluer" in the shade, but that's not where they live, so I think it's more realistic to show them in the sun. So far Mamy Blue is the winner for me. Bluer, stronger growth, healthier leaves, bigger blooms. (Those wind-damaged leaves in the first pic aren't hers, they are on Huddersfield Choral Society in the next pot. The rugosa leaves in that pic belong to another rose too, sorry if that's confusing!) CdG scent is a bit stronger, but Mamy Blue's fragrance is more complex, warm and pleasant to me than CdG's "in-your-face" lemon....See MoreA perfect pink rose to pair with Love Song?
Comments (45)Thank you to everyone on this thread for your great suggestions and inspirations. I took the day off and headed to Otto & Sons today, still undecided but ready to get out of my head and into the nursery! In their display garden, I got a feel for Young Lycidas' large and languid habit, so well described by @Diane Brakefield—he drapes like an antique rose might drape. He does sneak into the pink-purple camp, as @oursteelers 8B PNW so aptly put it. One of the gardeners also snipped a bloom and gave it to me to take home, which was extremely helpful, since the color is so rich and vibrant that photos can't capture it. So I fell in mad love with this rose ... and it's out of stock until at least March. Young Lycidas looking like a red rose, because my camera couldn't capture that incredible color @BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)'s top pick, Scentuous, was actually paired with Love Song in the display garden, and the colors are just perfect together. Yet just like at the Huntington, Scentuous only had one bloom. I asked one of the nurserymen, and he said that it really doesn't bloom all that much for them. Maybe it's a zone 10a thing, because Otto's definitely feeds all of their roses via a constant infusion of fertilizer in their drip system. I've had my eye on this rose for a while, and never seen it approaching what it looks like in Ben's beautiful garden. Love Song with Scentuous Back in the rose yard, several different roses temporarily jumped into my cart—notably, Our Lady of Guadalupe and Sweet Madam Blue. But the one that I finally ended up buying is ... Pretty Lady Rose! To my eye, her big, blowsy blooms are a match for Love Song. Hopefully, her habit will be more bushy than the typical hybrid tea—Cori Ann was pretty convincing on this score on some older threads about Pretty Lady Rose. And I found her fragrance to be pretty intense, and my car smelled wonderful on the ride home from my Otto's rose adventure. =) Love Song with Pretty Lady Rose Young Lycidas in a bud vase (left) with Pretty Lady Rose...See MoreLisa Adams
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