tlacua, you is wonderful! from my perusal of your link, it seems to be virg. But I want to trade it in for those great speckled leaves of macrophylum!!! i know it has spread, but not v. much, surprisingly i guess, for being on the edge of a moist area. i have wanted to know this for YEARS!!! thanks so much to you all. The combined knowledge on this board is really something, and so very helpful. best, mindy p.s. i was remembering that it does have that silvery variegation in spring, and it reminded me of the fact that pachysandra procumbens has that same type of variegatn in spring. and all this led me to wonder WHY some plants emerge variegated and then lose it. there must be some scientific darwinian reason, but then again i am not science adept.i'm just questioning adept. maybe the plant thinks pollinators are drawn to variegation............but what effort is involved with the plant being variegated such that it would want to abandon that effort after the pollinating time has passed............. i think i should be out watering

Lioness, just wanted to point out to you that there is a big, big difference between a climber being "hardy to zone 4" and being "cane hardy to zone 4." The first is a rose that will live through winter for you, but have to be pruned to the snow line (or lower) year after year, turning it more into a shrub than a climber. The second will actually be able to build on its own growth, year after year, until it can really cover that trellis or arch. There are many in the first category and darn few in the latter, unfortunately, and lots of sellers who are less than forthcoming about which they are selling to you. Floribundas, as far as I know, don't have winter hardy canes in zone 4. I could be wrong as I have no personal experience with Fred Loads, but I'd be willing to bet on it.

Thanks! I looked up that name, and it certainly looks to be the one. I am going to pull it out. Even though its a wildflower, and not a weed, it is overwhelming what I have planted nearby. I'll think if there is somewhere it can go.

Hey Ken thankyou for your reply. I actually reposted with more info last night but I must not have saved it. Sorry. Anyway I said something like it used to be indoors getting filtered light, then I moved to a place on the water and now it gets full (springtime) sun in the mornings, on a covered terrace. I cant think of a scenario when it had droplets when get sun - it may have happened though. Ive been so stressed with the move that I dont know when the dots started. I feel terrible for neglecting my plant.