Pretty petals and Patty W - Madame Anisette
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Madame Tellier or Thelier
Comments (1)How interesting that this rose should crop up! Where did you obtain it? Here's data on it from an article on the 1840s Damask Perpetuals which I wrote a while back. (The reference tags are my usual ones from my books): 'Mme. Tellier' (Roeser/Berger, 1845) Syn. 'Mme. Thelier'. The Floricultural Cabinet, in 1845, records this as a "fine pale pink" [FlCa45/66]. Rivers, in 1847, found it to be "a delicate and pretty rose; colour, pink; flowers, middle-sized; habit, slender; this will, I have no doubt, succeed better on the Boursault stock." W. Paul's 1848 entry reads "flowers flesh-colour, of medium size, double" [P]. "Medium-sized, full, flesh" [BJ53]. In 1862, Robert & Moreau include it as "medium-sized, double, flesh" [R&M62]. "It's a veritable 'Rose du Roi', but in flesh white!--with several petals further having several stripes of the original's color. This nuance, heightened by beautiful foliage, is very pretty and has delicate shadings, qualities to which it is necessary to add its handsome habit and great floriferousness. This gracious Rose would seem to us to be progress towards the pure whites which are still lacking in this division" [dH45/169]. Best Wishes, --BCD Brent C. Dickerson...See MorePlease help w/ identification
Comments (17)Looking up Meg again, it gets 8-13 feet, while crazy chemist said his rose was 20 feet tall. Meg sure looks like his rose, though. The time frame for a cross between rosa gigantea and Madame Butterfly would be about right. She was bred in 1918. The info on Schoener said he made lots of crosses. There was another man working with R. Gigantea in Santa Barbara before Schoener. Here's what I copy-pasted about him. "The honor of bringing R. gigantea into the United States belongs to the late Dr. Franchesci Fenzi, a native of Florence, who died a few years ago in Tripoli. Dr. Franchesci, as he was known to his friends, maintained a garden in Santa Barbara for more than a quarter of a century, and introduced a great many valuable foreign plants into southern California. According to his son, Camillo Franchesci Fenzi, R. gigantea was imported by his father directly from India about 1904. In the American Rose Annual of 1921, page 175, he is erroneously credited with being the originator of Belle of Portugal. The fact is that, having contact with all the leading horticulturists in the world, he imported Belle of Portugal from the Lisbon Botanical Garden, where it was originated in 1905 from a cross between the old Tea rose, Souvenir de Mme. LÂonie Viennot, and R. gigantea. From Dr. Franchesci's garden in Santa Barbara, Belle of Portugal gradually found its way over California and into other southern states. Dr. Franchesci produced a few Gigantea hybrids. His Montecito and Montariosa are the two best known to me. Both are seedlings of R. moschata by R. gigantea, and both show very dominantly the musk character." It sure would be fun to get your hands on a 1930's road map of that 98 miles from Santa Barbara to South Hoover street and snoop around. Me, I never get to go everywhere. Mike, the creeks are running higher than I've seen in five years. Might be some good fishing this year. Here's what it says about the breeder for Madame Butterfly. Here is a link that might be useful: Hill...See MoreMadame Alfred Carrier & Black Spot ?
Comments (45)I'm still having trouble making a decision. I'm strongly considering DEVONIENSIS but worried about the color. In some pics it looks creamy (i.e. yellow) white. I need a pink toned white; the cooler the pink tones the better. CLIMBING CLOTILDE SOUPERT would work in that spot (I've grown her before and she is one of my favorites for repeat bloom, fragrance, beauty-of-flower, and disease resistance), but I'd like something with slightly larger flowers. I also don't know how mum will react to the balling. Not a problem for me but it might be for her. CLIMBING SOUVENIR DE LA MALMAISON is tempting but I'm worried about the repeat bloom. I've read some bad reports on that front. What about CLIMBING WHITE MAMON COCHET? It is definately a cool pink toned white and the fragrant nodding flowers would be a plus in a climber. Is the repeat bloom reliable? How good is the vigor (i.e. will mom have to to wait 5 years for it to mature; I don't even know if she is going to live that long)? And is CWMC resistant to black spot?...See MoreMme Anisette pillared on obelisk
Comments (46)She is pulling the obelisk out of the soil. She is very vigorous. This is a situation where I wish her blooms nodded, but at least I see wee face better from my second floor windows....See Moresuebelle_neworleans
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