What does SA stand for

South Africa :-) thanks for asking.

The names I'm listing are the names they are called over here in South Africa. I am hoping to identify those that are heat tolerant and fragrant, that I can't find over here. So far I have only found a few. Many that would be great for this hot climate have only one name, - like Marilyn Monroe, Moonstone....and they aren't available here.

This is rose nr. 1 on my wish list:

http://helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.36980.2

Firefighter - alias Red & Fragrant.

Buxom Beauty alias Garden Queen.

http://helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.34000

has anyone grown this rose before in a hot dry climate with wind? does she scorch easily?

Comtesse Panarose alias Comtesse de Ségur

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.17109

is this rose heat tolerant? does she scorch easily?

or is Nahema still the strongest in this category?

The Harmonie rose

https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.3182.0&tab=1

does this beauty scorch easily?

Hahaha I thought it was San Antonio TX and was going to say that is not z11. Sorry, cannot help.

I do grow Buxom Beauty in part shade, high humidity in coastal TX. does well but opposite of your requirements.

seems like wind would destroy bUds and blooms

:-))

thanks for your reply on Buxom Beauty. Does she have a strong fragrance?

I only have strong wind a couple of times per month, but all my roses are holding onto their buds and leaves, I removed Golden Celebration after the wind shredded her to pieces.

Jess: Saw Buxom Beauty for $20 at HomeDepot in hot August above 90 F. I sniffed it, smelled fantastic, and HUGE BLOOM, plus 4 buds, plus clean & healthy foliage. Then I came back a few weeks later .. it rained lots, and Buxom Beauty broke out in blackspots ... it's grafted on Dr. Huey which doesn't like wet & acidic rain. The price was still $20 so I didn't buy it.

That rose shined when it's hot & dry .. but a mess when it's all-day-rain (grafted on Dr. Huey). I grew Nahema as own-root, really wimpy in alkaline clay .. best as grafted. The petals are thicker than Austin roses, but not as thick as hybrid tea like Firefighter. Nahema lasted 3 days if cut in bud, but Firefighter lasts twice longer.

Saw Marilyn Monroe at the rose park ... quite thorny, and blooms faded to ugly beige .. I'm not impressed. Elle is much nicer. Elle is listed as heat-tolerant in HMF. I was very impressed with Elle at the rose park . huge 5 inch. bloom, nicer color than Marilyn Monroe. Elle has a stronger scent, with large, glossy foliage.

Burgundy Panarosa (large, glossy foliage) is the same as Dark Desire, very vigorous as own-root .. Pat Henry at Roses Unlimited highly recommend that. Roses which are vigorous as own-root, like my Stephen Big Purple (large foliage), also can tolerate high heat. One Texan praised Stephen Big purple's performance at over 100 F.

Something about the Large, glossy foliage which is more disease resistant, esp. to mildew. I had Betty White (large, glossy foliage) next to Bronze Star (dull foliage). I water Betty White once a week, but it's like everyday with Bronze Star.

Betty White survived my extreme cold winter, Bronze Star died. Betty White has firm petals that last long the vase, and on the bush.

I planted Lady of Shallot where Bronze Star used to be. Lady of Shalott has tiny skinny leaves (looks like multiflora leaves to me) and it hates hot & dry, but thrive when it's tons of rain. Lady of Shalott with tiny leaves is a bigger water-hog than Bronze Star.

Conclusion: I would get roses which are vigorous as own-roots, they can handle both extreme cold & dry, and extreme heat & dry best. Burgundy Panarosa (Dark Desire) is very vigorous as own-root, same with Evelyn & Crown Princess Magareta (the most-heat tolerant Austin).

Nahema is wimpy as own-root, I don't think that can handle heat & drought ... it died through my winter.

This is a great thread, Jess. Thanks for starting.

Straw wrote: "Conclusion: I would get roses which are vigorous as own-roots, they can handle both extreme cold & dry, and extreme heat & dry best. Burgundy Panarosa (Dark Desire) is very vigorous as own-root, same with Evelyn & Crown Princess Magareta (the most-heat tolerant Austin)."

I absolutely agree with this.

I will also be sharing a few roses here that performed well in high heat.

best regards

Jess: Moonstone is NOT heat-tolerant, it's not even on the list of roses that last long in the vase. For roses that last long in the vase, thick-petals is a must .. and thick petals don't fry in the heat either.

Leslie Davis wrote this in HMF: "I think Moonstone is a beautiful rose and I just had to have it for my garden. I was disappointed to find out it doesn't do well in the hot summers of the valley. First the aphids and then the thrips ate it up and then the blistering heat took over for the next 4 months. Oct now and I'm just getting some decent blooms again after 5 months. I would caution anyone who lives where it gets above the 90's from obtaining this rose, unless you're willing to wait for those few months it isn't that hot and you don't mind thrips damage in the months they're present."

Val's recommendation from extremely hot Florida, with sandy soil: Buck rose Polonaise can take extreme cold zone 4, plus last 2 weeks in the vase .. That beat Firefighter, which lasts less than week in the vase.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.4903&tab=36

I got Louise Este from Roses Unlimited, since it has a nicer color than Moonstone .. plus Louise Este can take extreme cold temp, and lasts long in the vase. Will post pics. of that when it blooms.

http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.3905&tab=36

Gold Medal is so pretty, same with CPM ... Roses that smell good in high heat? Double Delight smelled great at 100 F. Evelyn smells good at high heat, Bolero, Betty White, and Firefighter (Hacienda). Betty White smells even nicer than Frederic Mistral. One sniff of Fred is enough per day, but I sniff Betty White over a dozen times per day. That's the best smelling rose at Chicago Botanical Garden.

The frankincense/myrrh scent of Mary Magdalene smells good at high heat .. but that one needs shade. We are at 90 F, or 32 C. now.

Jess: Could you give the temp ranges in your area in summers as well as winters? Here is another rose but I wonder how can I send it to you. I have found it to be one of the best performers in high heat.

In the past 5 days, temps have ranged between 103 to 108*F. Just see the performance of Hafiz Zaman. All five photos are of the same bunch.

In this temp, many blooms fry out in few hours and look at Hafiz Zaman, even on 4th day, blooms are a bit fried but generally ok.

best regards

thanks so much Straw and Khalid, I am sorry for only posting now...been so busy still rust... back broken...

Of all these you mentioned, only Firefighter, Evelyn, Glamis Castle and Double Delight is available here...

that rose is spectacular, such a rich pink, I wish you could smuggle me a cutting Khalid. I wrote our rose breeder and asked him about this rose, among others growing in your garden.

I made a list of the roses that handle heat very well in my hot zone.

Winter here started on 20th June. It'll be spring beginning-mid-September, with temps reaching above 30C shortly afterwards, building up to the 40-46 C temps after January until end of June (as happened this year). Added bonus - mainly drought in the past year.

these never scorch. They might stop blooming as much, but the blooms stay unscorched:

Rosemary Ladlau, Andrea Stelzer, Just Joey, Rosa Monchata Nana, Easy Does It, Clocolan, Claire Austin, Tawny Profusion, Julia's Rose, Wedding Garland, Icebergs, New Dawn, Addictive Lure.

These handle heat but the blooms scorch after 35 C - 40 C:

Frohsinn'82, Belle Epoque, Evelyn, Graham Thomas, Vanilla, Fairest Cape Panarosa, Sally Holmes, Sharifa Asma, Purple Glow, Boscobel, Princess Alexandra of Kent.

Jess: I checked up with the breeder and he informed me that Hafiz Zaman has not even been supplied in Pakistani market. I, being an old privileged customer, was sent a bush as a special case from amongst the mother plants. He says that he has so far been producing mother plants and this July he will graft enough buds on centifolia root stock to supply in bulk. It will be commercially available in Dec this year.

Thanks Jess, for a fantastic list of what can endure heat. Nate (raingreen) is right about Double Delight scorch. Here's how it looks at 90 F, or 32 C, pic. taken today June 27:

I love Betty White, a Meilland rose, zero scorching, and it gets more sun than double-delight, at least 8 hours of hot sun .. Betty White looks really good in hot & dry weather today June 27 at 90 F, or 32 C:

Comte de Chambord blooms are OK in heat, own-root is very healthy after blooming .. but the Comte grafted on multiflora is a BS-fest, I dug that up, and the root is tiny like a mini-rose !! Below is Comte as healthy own-root:

Straw: Betty White looks stunning. What a nice shade. How is the fragrance?

BTW, I see a layer of grass on top of soil? what is it, alfalfa?

Betty White's scent is way-better than Frederic Mistral: more refined in quality. The mulch is grass-clippings which I got for free from the neighbors. Folks pay $3 and 75 cents yard-waste-sticker to dispose that grass clippings (per bag) while they could use it as mulch !!

That is a beautiful rose thanks Straw for sharing that with us...I see in HMF one other name for this rose is Miriam Makeba, one of our best musicians ever...and it is not available...how odd...

here is a fabulous song by this lady, I hope you enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mwh9z58iAU

and Khalid, thank you for the most excellent news about Hafiz Zaman, I won't stop pestering our rose breeder here..maybe independant nurseries would be prepared to get hold of her...

Jess, I am way more humid than you, but we do have the long hot season. We do not cool off at night; it's like a warm moist blanket at midnight. Don't know if Cynthia is available in SA, but she is practically bulletproof in heat, drought and excessive rain. Blooms about the size of my cat's head, deep pink, very fragrant with a strong pure rose scent. At 3 years old, she is about 6' x4'. Very floriferous. We do get freezing temps here @ year, ice storms and some snow & she handles our winters fine. Mine is own root.

I'm sure you know this, but Firefighter is also known as Hacienda. It's a tough rose, too. Mine is only starting its 2nd year, but survived our very hot & dry summer of 2015, when planted as an own-root band.

I so loved my time in SA in 2006. Am hoping to be able to go back again, to serve in an orphanage in SA or Botswana. Such beautiful land, such beautiful people, so much love in the face of so many problems.

Holly: I admire your being handicapped, but serve the poor orphans in other countries. My husband gave me the "go" this morning to send a check to orphans in Vietnam. I started a "toothbrush & toothpaste" project to send money for orphans to save their teeth from cavities.

I was foolish to get a flu-shot in Dec. 19, got really sick (could not drive for 2 months with vertigo) .. medical expense was $700 from my pocket for that blasted $14 flu-shot from Sam's club. There are a dozen types of flu-shot made by different companies, some are derived from a bug-extract, so my case was an allergic reaction. What's nice about donating to charities: no one get sick from that like flu-shot, but plenty of rewards in heaven.

Straw, I am not handicapped; I am recovering from surgery & have post Lyme. That's the main reason I am not in Africa now. I have experience in Africa, knowledge of sub-Saharan African cultures and work here as much as I can with refugees from Congo. The orphanages in Botswana & SA house children not only from their own countries, but children who have fled from Congo & other countries where war, strife, food insecurity, political corruption and many other dangers are an everyday occurances. Africa is where my heart and my call are. I am a trained psychotherapist and have experience in medical social work. By the time I am medically able to return to Africa, I will have completed my MDiv and will be ordained by PCUSA. This combination enables me to serve in both secular and faith-based institutions.

Every day, children suffer in many countries, including our own. Your heart has called you to help children in Vietnam. My roommate will be going back to Congo. My home church just returned from building an orphanage in Haiti. There is room for all to serve, many many many areas of need.

Holly Webster: Glad to know about your experience in Africa and your devotion to the cause.

best regards

Holly: Very much admire your faith in God and service to the poor. Thank you for clearing that up, my mistake, I used the wrong term "handicapped", rather than "disabled". They are not the same.

Yes, I was also disabled with that blasted flu-shot, couldn't drive for 2 months with vertigo.