I guess no one is buying my dig up the soil idea, including my husband. :( I should be able to trust him with the stuff, but he's such a brute. He says he didn't over-apply the stuff, but he also said he didn't read the directions. Hmmm. Funny how would he know he didn't over apply if he didn't read the directions??!!??!! Grrrrr. I'd rather have no stinking weed & feed--I doubt I could apply it well--then not have my annuals!!!! Grrrr again. Thank you for listening. Still wondering about digging up soil. Planters wouldn't look great--I would have to literally plant the pots. What if they outgrow the pots? What if weed & feed seeps into the pots that are planted in the ground? Maybe that's the best idea. Sure sounds easier now that I'm thinking more about it. Digging up and replacing soil might be a bit on the OCD side of life. :)

I saw your pix on the lawn forum. I tried something this year that worked for some of my weeds. It is a three part process so it might not work for a large lawn, but here it is. I had oxalis in full shade. 1. Sprayed with soapy sugary water as a sticking agent. 1 tsp of dish soap and 2 ounces of molasses to a quart of water. 2. Dusted the wet leaves with baking soda and allowed it to dry. Load a sock with baking soda and tap the side to let the dust fall out onto the weed. It does no damage to the sock so you can use any sock. 3. Sprayed with strong vinegar. Even in full shade the oxalis melted away. Here are the pictures. My apologies for the picture quality. I set up the tripod and did not realize how bad they would look until it was done. The target weed is on the left side of the tree trunk. In the first one I had done steps 1 and 2 the previous day with no ill effect. Second one was taken immediately after spraying with vinegar. You can see the foaming on the leaves. Third was taken after 5 minutes. You can see the yellow flower petals wilting a little. The rest of the leaves were doing the same but you can't really tell. Fourth was taken at 30 minutes. Wilt is evident. This one was taken an hour later. The plant has wilted away just like I would expect on a hot, sunny day. Here's the first one again for direct before and after comparison. Again, this was in full shade (north side of tree) on a day in the high 60s.

Jandey, I agree with you on the results of using the egg methods. I've started cuttings with and without eggs and the results are inconclusive. I have cuttings that rooted with or without the eggs. I had one interesting experiment where I started 2 husky 18" cuttings of the same kind, about the same size, 1 with egg, and 1 without. The one with egg had light and egg. The one without egg had light, moisture and warmth (it was put in a moisture chamber with a heat mat under it). Both were placed near a sunny window so got the same amount of light. The one in the moisture chamber has now rooted and grown a few leaves. The one with the egg has not budged, no roots, no leaves. I'm thinking that the egg cant hurt, as it might act the same as fertilizer once the cutting has roots, but I'm not sure that it speeds up the rooting process more than other conditions such as humidity and warmth. My next experiment is to start 2 same kind cuttings with and without egg, BOTH in the moisture chamber.

when you hit the wall ... one option is to build a nursery bed... or use the veg patch late in the fall .. remove all your perennials.. bare rooting and removing the invaders... plant in the nursery ... and go at the evil weed patch in your preferred method.. personally.. i would round up it all ... then come spring.. move the plants back to the bed.. if you feel you have destroyed the bad stuff ... if you want to learn how to use RU ... start a post in the perennial forum.. appropriately titled ... do harvest seed from the reseeders this fall .. if you need to know how to do that.. new post in the annual forum ... i think you really need to mulch ... and you can do that.. and have the reseeders... if you limit the spaces for such .... in other words.. reduce you unmulched soil to a min.. so you can reduce the areas that will need weeding ... another alternative.. is to harvest seed.. and start them in flats ... and move them into the mulch as young plants in early spring ... check out the winter sowing forum ... ken