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Agree with rococogurl. Where is your landing area for the ovens? You have a potential bottleneck if you're off loading from the range top and the ovens at the same time. Remember the length of the oven door you'll have to reach over to extract things from the ovens. Which way does your refrigerator open? Will it be blocked when the ovens are in use? There are some really neat "food files" and "lazy susan" type cabinets that can be used in tight corners for pantry storage.

It sounds like you simply have too many constraints to use this style of oven. From this thread and your other thread on Kitchens, the various workarounds are harder than if you simply buy a more standard-door oven. I don't understand your reasoning about being petite and having to "reach over oven doors". Install the (standard-door) wall oven at a comfortable height for you. When lifting out the turkey, stand to the side of the oven door, pull out the rack, and lift the roasting pan. It should not matter that you are petite in a wall oven set-up if you install the wall oven at a good height.

My oven was next to the fridge in my previous home through two remodels and 26 years. It was never a problem. My landing space was above the oven and right behind me on the island. The insulation in modern appliances make putting an oven next to a refrigerator a non-issue if heat transfer is the concern.

Thanks for your comments all! Your responses and the ones from the kitchen forum are definitely giving me pause about the side-swing. Might have to give that one up. Problem is, I can't find a good pull-down oven that I like that isn't a zillion bucks. Trying to avoid blue porcelain of any kind.

Rococogurl -- the problem with switching the locations of the pantry and ovens is that I oven cook something on the stovetop and put in oven to finish off...don't want to be walking around to whole kitchen to get to the ovens. Also, would rather not place ovens directly behind where people are sitting at the island.

Poppy214 -- yup landing space is not ideal for sure...but hoping it won't be too much of a stretch to make it to the island or the counter behind. Getting a Subzero side-by-side so we will have to be careful about denting with door handles.

Friedajune -- the side swing is just a luxury, but I would be totally fine with a pull down door too!

SJhockeyfan -- good to know your oven/fridge combo wasn't a problem : ).

Here is another view of the kitchen....posted in the Kitchen forum, but also wanted to update here...How about if I moved the double pantry to the current oven location, then moved the oven down to the current fridge location, and moved the fridge to the current double pantry location? The only downside is that the fridge will be far from my prep area. Also it would be located right behind the island seats which could cause potential traffic jams? Island is going to be just a bit longer than what's shown in the pic below. The angle is bad so it's hard to tell, but the island would extend to half the length of the fridge if the fridge moved to the double pantry location.

The kitchen looks spacious. But everything is jammed into one end as if it's tiny. Half the kitchen is underutilized. The prep sink is blocking the most important work space in the kitchen. The island blocks the path to the fridge from the main sink. That's what I see in the layout.

People do a lot of things. I see kitchens with fridges next to ovens. I would try to avoid it.

Usually people who start something on the range and finish in the oven have a traditional range so the oven is just below -- the most convenient placement.

For me, this layout needs a rethink. You put it out there with a question and I'm commentlng critically, which is easy to reject. It's an outsider's view.

But it's your kitchen and you should have what you want. So if you think you have that then you're good to go.

Thanks rococogurl. There are many reasons I want the prep sink where it is and though it may not work for many, it works for me :). I've gone into depth about it elsewhere so I won't go into it again. I really appreciate your thoughts though as it does help me rethink the oven placement. I hear what you're saying about the making it into a tiny kitchen...but that is kind of my goal since we host and entertain a ton and I imagine people to be hanging out at the end of the island...would prefer them to be out of my way as I am pulling things in and out of the ovens. I know it must be frustrating for someone to post a question and ask for comments but not actually seem to take the commenter's advice seriously! But I do feel it's helpful for me to hear these comments bc it helps me think through different scenarios. So thank you!

I think no matter where you think or plan for people to go when you cook, they seem to want to be right with you.

We built on a whole sitting area and still I find myself surrounded when we have a big crowd. My sister has a huge kitchen but the business end is tiny and not easy to access but still people get in there with her when she is cooking. :-))

@wekick - funny you say that. I hear what the OP said and have made my point. But after her response I thought to myself that they will stand right in the choke point of that layout -- in front of the refrigerator. I would bet on it.

I actually brought a small sofa into my kitchen and mostly people just go sit right down. That keeps them out of the way. But the other spot -- it never fails -- is the choke point in the kitchen.

I have followed your thread over in KF. My personal preference in a kitchen design is a separate range top and double oven stack. In your case, maybe you should consider a full range. Selecting a range would solve the finish off in the oven real estate question. If you did that, I would push the island back a few inches along that run for extra door opening room. It always seems that one question will lead to another.