No sir, no Hulthemias, but L56-1 contains Halo Today, a Moore "Halo" rose Mr. Moore created to resemble Hulthemias without containing any of its genes. It's also half Thrive!, meaning it contains Home Run, Baby Love and Knock Out. Hopefully, there is decent black spot resistance engineered in. Fortunately, that isn't something I can easily test for here. Rust and mildew are our bugaboos. The two buds of the Secret's Out hybrid are opening and they make me HUNGRY!

Oh, I know I said it before, but I really like that one! ♥️ ツ Thanks for sharing the additional photos.

Kim, I'm sure if you wish, you can get several volunteers to test your roses in their gardens for black spot.

Kim these are lovely! I agree that I would love to grow them just for the beautiful stems and foliage!!! Thank you for sharing.

Thank you! I will see about getting cuttings to Bluegirltx for her to work her magic on. We'll keep you posted!

Kim- I love those black stems! Bravo

Thank you, Matthew! They certainly were a surprise! With up to three inches of rain threatened in the next 72 hours, I hurriedly collected pollen from all of them this afternoon. They sure were pretty!

Kim, I like the single white five petaled one and of course the yellows. What is the single derived from if I may ask ?

Hi David, if you're talking about this one...

It's the same cross that made the large red with yellow center single and a couple more which have yet to flower. That's a Jim Sproul (the breeder of Eyeconic Lemonade, Honey Dijon, etc.) mini crossed with my hybrid between Ralph Moore's 1-72-1, the sister to his Rise'n Shine, with R. Hugonis.

That's the one Kim, it's amazing what can come from the same cross

Yes sir, that it is. Not just the blooms, but the entire plant. Believe it or not, this is the third sibling to begin flowering, so far. This one has very modern textures with species-like leaflets and is very lightly prickled. It's likely to be more the coloring of the seed parent. There are several more.

For some reason some of the flowers/stems/foliage remind me of spinosissimas.....

Hugonis, xanthinas, spinosissimas are all similar. Maybe related..

Which is likely why they interbreed as easily as they do. Fortunately, the Chinese yellow species don't develop the leaf and stem crud Spins. do in this climate. I love Golden Wings, but the blamed thing looks leprous by mid summer.

L5617Hug#3 began opening this morning, so I collected the opening flower and buds showing color to harvest the pollen. It has a light scent, reminiscent of Hugonis.

Thanks Nik & Kim for the explanation.

Kim L5617Hug#3 is gorgeous....

Now that makes me hungry ;-)

Thanks, Bob. It does me, too! All the pollens and drying petals are on the dining table in the living/dining room where they'll be out of the way and undisturbed to dry. It smells like a spice shop! There is a pile of Banksiae pollen with its heavy clove scent and a large sheet of86-3, the Banksiae X Laevigata hybrid that's just as heavy with a strong dose of cinnamon.

Lovely lovely roses, Kim, and I particularly agree that the Secret's Out Hybrid has luscious color. Do you find it keeps that yellow color in your hot sun? So many of the apricots and yellows fade with time, you'd have a real cutting edge rose if it stayed that deep golden color.

The black stems of your Hugonis crosses look so intriguing too, but being from a cold climate I have to pause and consider that I'd be so likely to prune those to the ground without thinking in the spring. To me, those black canes without leaves would indeed indicate "dead" from winterkill to the point where I might not notice I was pruning off live cane till too late. I've discovered the same applies for canes that sunburn badly to reddish brown in the winter, that I presume that they're cankered and prune them before I discover they're OK.

Still, I'd welcome the chance to try them some day (maybe I could tie a yellow ribbon round the not-so-old rose cane). However, Hugonis and Hulthemia type roses don't seem to have very good hardiness in my zone, so might be a moot point.

Thanks for sharing the photos.

Cynthia

I guess black wood could be rather disconcerting and confusing where hard freezes occur, Cynthia. Our few "frosts" here this "winter" didn't even slow down the Hibiscus sinensis' flowering. I'm glad you're enjoying the photos! Thank you!

Kim, the flower of 5617Hug#3 is a beauty. Does it have dark canes? Has the one with black canes flowered yet? Sorry, if I'm not following along correctly. I'm picturing the beautiful dark canes with gorgeous flowers.

Exciting work, Kim.

Hi
Bonnie, they aren't as black as some other seedlings, but they are dark mahogany
and its foliage is dark bronze-green with reddish highlights. It's very
phototropic. This is, by far, the more intensely colored of that line of
breeding. Thank you!

nippstress, I can relate to your worry about pruning live canes... my R. roxburghii plants had canes that looked pretty dead, and I kept thinking I needed to get around to pruning them. Luckily, before I got a "round tuit", the canes were already leafing out beautifully.

Virginia

I hate that, "Oh, no!" feeling when I whack into something, sure it's gone, only to find out it isn't!

It's a good thing roses are usually pretty forgiving about being chopped.

Looking forward to more updates on your roses Kim. Dark mahogany on L5617Hug#3 sounds wonderful. I can't find it on Help Me Find Roses. Is it there yet? Not to rush. You must be busy!

Thank you, Bonnie. It's here. The database is a bit touchy sometimes. If find it easier to search for "L56" and it brings them all up.

Thanks, Kim!

You're welcome!

Kim, I looked at them all on HMF. L5617Hug#3 is the only one where you didn't describe the petal color. It says "medium". Did you mean to say medium pink? I got a look at the mahogany cane. Very nice.

I wasn't sure what the opened color would be when I entered that information. I need to take the color chart out in the sun to see the colors properly and attempt to match it. The bloom fully expanded today and reminds me very much of an Iceland Poppy. It's about two inches in diameter with a medium honey-rose scent. I'm impressed!

Beautiful. Sorry, Kim. I didn't know if the description was a work in progress. Next time, I'll give it more time. Roses need to teach me patience :-)

Thank you, but no need to be sorry. How many other descriptions on HMF have you encountered that weren't "complete", or as complete as they were going to be?

Such gorgeous crosses!!! Your last one is incredible!! So you've used Rosa Hugonis as a seed and pollen parent. I assume they don't rebloom?? Gorgeous!!

Carol

Thank you, Carol. I don't know yet if there will be any repeat on the latest seedlings. This was their first flowering, then the garden got hit with a bad case of downy mildew, which I am dealing with now. We'll see. I'm glad you enjoyed them!

Some absolutely gorgeous colors here. I have a weakness for the warm yellows. Not so much the lemon yellows with green undertones. Funny, because I do like most greens.

Also I have always liked Rosa hugonis. My Dad grew it, and it makes me think of him. Lots of plants make me think of him, actually, because he loved plants so much, especially trees. He was my inspiration to take up gardening years ago.

My best friend had to move suddenly and left behind most of her roses including Rosa Hugonis which is her favorite rose. So I snuck back to her old house and took cuttings. I've got about 10 cuttings, and they're all viable after 2 months. Nice growth is coming.

She says R. Hugonis is hardy here in zone 3. I'm surprised cause everywhere I read, the zone is 5. I've never seen hers bloom, does anyone have a full bush shot of it? I'm thinking of putting it in my yard too since I have so many cuttings. No one here is anywhere close to my zone 3, so I know the size will be vastly different.

Carol

In zone 4, Rosa Hugonis is about 6'-8' according to this link.

However, according to their book the size is 5'x6'. It could have from moderate to no die back depending the winters.

I hope this helps...

Kim, sorry to hear about the DM. Good luck with that.....

Kim, you've done it again...got me wanting roses I can't have! lol. Bad, bad, boy! Hopefully your new babies will pass the test (they sure LOOK good!) and you can get them into commerce. I'll start saving up now, lol. I've already got so many of your roses, and more coming (ahem!). Your roses just have such a completely different character than most of my others; I love 'em.

And I shudder in sympathy about the downy mildew. Wishing you and the roses all the best.

(lustful) John

Thanks, True_Blue - My friend confirmed that R. Hugonis survives zone 3 uncovered. Yeah, 6-8 feet is probably more like it. I might cover mine a bit. That was very helpful.

Carol

Thank you! I've contacted others in my basic area asking what they've found to be
"dog and people safe". The best advice I've received has been to do nothing and let Nature take her course. That IS the safest for us "animals", and it WILL show what "deserves" to live. Am I ready for that...

I don't know that I could just do nothing...I'm the problem solver/nurturing type, lol. I have to DO something. Best of luck, Kim. Keep us posted. I'll be pulling for all the above posted babies to make it!

Thanks, Bob. The main issues are where all the roses are is the domain of four small dogs, two of whom are elderly. They LOVE eating the grass, rose hips, succulent "leaves", anything that looks chewable. The most effective remedies for downy are highly toxic and systemic. I can't keep them from going in and through the plants. Even if it were easily possible, one of the great attractions of this particular house is the private, secure, large, safe area available to them so they can run, chase birds, chase each other, explore and just be "dogs". The old house didn't afford that. They need and deserve the exercise and they seem to enjoy that freedom to wander in and out through the dog friendly screen door at will. If something effective and not harmful to them, and to me when spraying it, works, great. If not, there really isn't a choice.

Or you can see it, this way: The dogs save you from being in a poisonous environment. Man's best friend, indeed ;-)

The pups completely change the equation ;) The four-legged babies would take precedence for me, as well.

John

And for us, as well. We love our roses, but they will ALWAYS be secondary to our dogs.

Kim, I'm curious about which roses seem to be more resistant to the plague than the others? Too soon to tell, or are you seeing patterns of disease resistance that may provide some guidance for future breeding strategies?

So sorry about those that won't make it, but dogs and people are more important, I agree.

Virginia

Thank you. Fedtschenkoana is spotless. None of its hybrids are. Hugonis hybrids vary from moderate to severely susceptible. Lynnie, Indian Love Call, Porcelain Rose, L56-1, Blue for You, First Impression seedlings (I lost FI in the move), Eyes for You, Art Nouveau, Gina's Rose, Anne Belovich, the four 0-47-19 X Tom Thumb ramblers, a number of seedlings between the above listed are completely without any spots on any leaves. Banksiae and Fortuniana are heavily spotted. 1-72-1Hugonis and 1-72-1Hugonis flore plena are lightly spotted as is ALmD, though the latter appears to be more locatoin dependent. The three are budded on VI Fortuniana and the one closeset to the hottest fence appears to be suffering the worst. The other two are spotless. All four Minutifolia variations are spot free. Xanthina, Primula, Arkansana Peppermint, Basye's Amphidiploid 86-1 and even Basye's Legacy are spotted. Secret Garden is nearly leafless from the spotting. Dr. E.M. Mills is spotless. Very few cases appear location dependent and some of the spotless plants have been badly crowded by plants which are completely leafless from the infection. All of the small, immature, newer Teas are defoliated with much die-back. Rosy Purple is totally clean, while many other hybrid multifloras are heavily spotted. Culling the worst offenders would definitely positively impact water useage!

Wow. It must be hard to let go of some of these plants, but the water and dirt saved is a persuasive argument to cull the worst offenders... Also the promise of starting fresh with those plants that have proved themselves to be disease resistant...

And perhaps it's easier to see plants go that are defoliated and/or spotty.

'Rosy Purple' is a pretty thing; I don't recall hearing of it before. I wonder why it is more resistant that those other Multiflora types?

Virginia

Those are gorgeous long-haired dalmations!! So beautiful!!

Carol

Kim have you done any crosses between Fedtsch X Hugonis?

Not directly, Bob. I've crossed Fed. with my1-72-1Hugonis but I haven't been impressed with any of the seedlings resulting from that. IF things take, there will be Ark. Peppermint, Fed., Xanthina, Primula, Californica, Stellata mirifica, Minutifolia and the 1-72-1Hugonis crosses made all which directions to play with in spring.

Thanks Kim. Those our quite intriguing crosses. Looking forward to your future updates :-)

Jeri's cure of horse manure worked to keep new canes from showing Downy Mildew on my roses and I wonder if a horse manure tea would work as well on potted roses. That's exciting to see roses no one has ever seen before and I'm glad you get the cool wet weather in your new home. Even LA had a cool spring this year and I was thinking yesterday that with the exception of one episode of hot and windy weather, the roses have gotten a break this year. Thanks for sharing these new roses with everyone.