Soggy backyard with grade/drainage issues
Eric
8 years ago
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Comments (3)First off you need to figure out where the water is supposed to go. The first thing we did was re do the gutters on the back part of our house so the down spouts did not empty into the yard but off to the sides where the water was supposed to flow towards the front. We went with much bigger gutters and double down spouts to carry the larger volume of water vs multiple smaller down spouts emptying into the back yard. That one thing made a huge improvement, but in our case did not solve the problem. So, from looking at the subdivision plans and consulting the City, the water was supposed to flow from the back towards the front. No water is allowed to flow towards any adjoining property. HOA required detailed plans be submitted and no dirt brought in. To create better drainage, we had to remove dirt. It looked like the builder never did the final grade work, only the initial building grade work. Our house is 11 years old and we are the second owners. Our research indicated most of the lots in our subdivision have similar issues. It took a while but we eventually got it figured out and fixed. We hired an engineer firm to survey and plat the lot. From that we determined the high point in center of the backyard and went from there. We met with the city people again, and lots of various kinds of dirt movers, drainage experts, anyone we thought could help solve the problem of our swamp. We ended up re grading the grass areas of the back yard, both in the center and along the sides. Which got me new sod, more and bigger flower beds too! (a good thing) Nearly everyone we talked with about the project wanted to install drains from the back out towards the front with pop ups at the end, which is pretty standard in our area. Only 2 knew how to do it with out drains. Most of them had no idea how to create natural drainage! Our city has a code that water that enters a drainpipe and travels underground must exit at the street, cored through the curb. (another not so cheap expense) We absolutely did not want drains installed, french or other wise. We spend a lot of time outdoors and mosquitoes are a big issue. No matter how well the drains are installed there is always some water left standing and the pop ups always have water standing in them. Drains also get clogged and crate a mess someone has to go and clean up. (that someone would be me) We finally found someone who understood our concerns and knew how to create natural drainage! But it took a while. It was not cheap, but in our case the best solution. Now we have good natural drainage, & no drainpipes. There is one area out front on one side that could use some tweaking (due to neighbors drain off carried there as well) to work better and quicker, but other than that it is swampy only for a short while after heavy, sustained rains during the cool season. Before you do anything, research your situation, and find out any code restrictions you may have. It will save you money and time down the road. While you are working on that, I think the first thing which isn't all that expensive would be addressing the gutter down spouts. See if you can re direct the water that flows from your roof away from the back yard and foundation and towards the direction the water is supposed to be flowing out. Good Luck with your project! Here's photos of just the center portion of the yard which was always swampy before the grade work. before: summer 2009 when we moved in during grade work: summer 2010 after: winter 2012...See MoreFirst Post! Re-Grading backyard and would appreciate some commen
Comments (45)For reference my directions are as viewed from the street looking at your house. The first pic, that's neighbor on L? The scar on R of fence is where your shed used to be? R half of 2nd pic is neighbor straight back...L half pic your yard (aiming toward neighbor with shed)? The third pic I know what is but I cannot differentiate levels. Sorry. Looks like that lot high, too? The neighbor directly straight back (w/2 large trees) looks like he's been high forever as if subd. created that way. The neighbor on you L side looks like his fill might be much newer. His grass has a new-ish look. (would have liked to seen a pic aiming further left...I'm trying to see where the drain path goes.) Aside from the water, he's dumping on you, where's the rest of his water draining? To his front? And the guy next to him (past power pole) where's his water going (other than what he's putting on you)? If the bulk of their water is going to the front...which you might be able to tell from standing in front of their houses, I'd guess one or both of them has blocked your natural flow. Which says that going to a lawyer for a consultation to discover your rights and make a plan is the place to start. Someone pointed out, what will you do with major rain like hurricane Irene type rain...or the hundred year flood? Your original plan will put you in jeopardy if such were to happen. Actually, with your drainage blocked, you're probably already in jeopardy. just won't be able to see it until that monster rain happens. I'm not trying to be an alarmist, but I think it's important to know where you stand legally...especially, if you can get the cause of your problems to pay for the solution. I would try to find out every last fact about where that water is draining...how it's draining for these neighbors...get out their during the next heavy rain. Take pictures. Make yourself knowledgeable about exactly how all these pieces of the the puzzle fit together...before going to lawyer. You don't want to go with just a few words and a complaint...to which he says, "we'll need to study your issues. That'll be $500 for our next hours worth of work." Go as prepared as you can be....See MoreGrading my backyard
Comments (8)If you have water in the house, then you have a very serious drainage issue. Water should flow away from all buildings, but yours flows toward the house. I don't know squat about far north soils and freezing and upheaval, but I've heard the words. If you were down here I would tell you that the reason for having a bumpy soil now is that someone rototilled it 3 years ago. Rototilling normally results in bumpy soil 2-3 years later, so that option is out. Bringing in sand or soil might work but your very first priority must be to stop the water from entering the house. You'll need to figure out why that's happening and take care of it. It could be you need to remove a lot more soil to get your drainage right. I also don't know anything about Michigan law but your neighbors should not be allowed to drain water onto your property. If they won't fix that on their side of the fence, you might need to fix it on your side. The fix is to build a hill inside your fence to stop the water coming over. Could it be the source of water in your house is the water coming from the neighbors??? Maybe that is the simple answer. Rather than rototilling, you might rent a dethatcher or power rake. Those tools have blades which rotate vertically on a spool. You can adjust the depth of the cut from above the ground to below the soil level. Start at the high spots to loosen the soil. Sweep that into the low spots with a push broom. The idea is to loosen the very top of the soil. Then you could regrade it with a screed or by pulling a drag around. Ideally the soil height ten feet away from your house should be 6 inches lower than the bottom sill of your house. You can make a drag out of chain link fence with rope and a bag of sand to weigh it down. Look for videos on YouTube. Most are pretty poor, but you'll get the idea by watching. In fact, turn the sound off, because most of the people don't know what they're talking about in their editorializing. Also look on this forum for "leveling bermuda". Those are the search terms. As it turns out most people with bumpy lawn issues have bermuda. Bermuda, along with centipede and creeping bentgrass, is a grass which should be mowed low, so uneven soil shows up as scalped areas. All the rest of the turf grasses should be mowed high. You might also want to look into why that utility box is off kilter. Straightening that would help the appearance....See MoreHelp evaluate my backyard drainage problem. (diagram attached)
Comments (3)Thanks, lehua. Here are my responses: I'll try to have photos posted tonight. I am not the original owner. I don't know of any regrading of the lot. I think I am at a downslope from A, B, C houses, but my neighbor to the right (D) is about the same. A, B, C are older homes. Myself and D are a newer row of homes (more homes to the right; about 6) that were built in 2000 or so. I would estimate that the ABC homes were built in the 50s. Parking lot is about the same level as my yard. The parking lot is for a fire station next to us. It may be a while to dig that 18" hole! I am in the DC suburbs. Right now, all the moist soil/water has frozen so it may not be a good time of the year to do a percolation test. Before this current period of sustained freeze, we had a lot of rain for December (about 7 inches and we average around 3 for Dec.). I did core aerate/reseed the yard this past spring, which I thought could breakdown the clay soil & absorb more rainwater. However, this won't work in December where we have short days and no warming/evaporation of the water. the lawn is probably less thirsty in December. This may or not matter, but one of the original owners of one of the our generation homes next to us told me that the land where they built our homes used to be a city park. The park was next to the firestation. Also, when I dug out the long french drain, I kept getting my shovel jammed with many rocks. Some as big as fists....See MoreEric
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