Never heard of that brand, but what your describing makes sense. Thanks.

It's actually not a really uncommon brand. I think the company may be Canadian (as am I) but I don't remember for sure. We are just doing a bathroom reno and have a new Mirabelle skirted toilet sitting in the box, awaiting install. After reading your comments I asked our builder about that. We opened up the box and checked it. The seat doesn't just remove like the Foremost but it actually does just lift off the bolts. So it too is removable. If you got a different seat, our builder said you would just need "butterfly bolts" to clip a new one down if it wasn't designed the same as the original. So I wonder if the employees at the big box stores just assume you would have to remove the entire toilet. Maybe most seats lift off the bolts.

How often do you replace your toilet seat?

I guess it depends if it gets damaged for some reason. Or is uncomfortable and you want a different one. But toilets aren't too much $$ these days so maybe you just toss the whole thing and get new. Not good for the landfill tho.

If you've ever suffered with a Toto toilet seat, you'd understand wanting to replace it. Their toilets are fine, but their seats are awful. I have two new ones circa 2015 and both wiggle on their plastic hinges like crazy, despite being firmly bolted to the toilet.

Jakob - glad it isn't just our Toto! I keep mentioning it needs to be replaced but DH said the "bolts" are stripped and he can't get them to tighten or come off.

Jakkom and maries,

Do you know if the bushings were installed in the hole first? I have had toto toilet seats for several years and they were always solid. I have Toto washlets now.

All skirted toilets have a way to reach the bolts from underneath very near the back. Also, the toilets usually sit a couple of inches off the wall.

Good luck!

Not sure. DH was here the day the plumber installed it. It's a 1 piece Toto. The wiggling started not too long after. At first he could tighten it a little. I need to look up the model and check out a replacement seat and how to get this one off.

Flip up the covers over the screw heads just behind the seat. The stainless steel screws should have a flat head slot. Turn counterclockwise to remove. You'll feel when they loosen. No need to remove them fully, just loose enough to lift the long rubber plug they are attached to. To tighten, just turn the screw heads clockwise. Then snap the covers back down.

cplover - did you look to see if you could find the manual that goes with these toilets? You might be able to tell from that. Otherwise, there should be a contact number or email to check with the companies on these products. I can't imagine a company making a toilet that you had to remove to change the seat. Not that you do it often but from a general design perspective that would not be a good design.

Thanks Maries1120, I will call. But even the Rep at Lowe's could not see a way to change it. So strange!

I have the AS Clean Cadet from Lowes. The seat is designed to clip on and off, but to change the seat style, yes, you would probably need to remove the toilet. We love it, and just installed 2 more in our rental unit.

Mabel- Have you any problems with seat itself? So what you are saying is you could replace the seat with a similar style seat? Thank you-- that is the toilet I am leaning towards

I have the Kohler one piece Tresham ; we changed the self-close seat to the lowest profile (cheapest) seat Kohler makes. We did not have to remove the toilet to change the seat. We also used that pluming white wrap tape on the bolts before we tightened...nice and snug with no loosening after a year.