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Will, I just hope to open a new window to a conifer world, which we went by till now. It's long ago known, that a lot of Abies species with their vertical root system are more tolerable for droughts, as any other conifers. If they tolerate hard frosts too, the success may come. Last years Abies selections (and some NOT forgotten old cultivars) Abies concolor Argentea Published Detrichée 1903 as Abies concolor var. candicans Breeder/Found Niemetz 1903, Temesvár HUN, now ROM Introduced Description Photo documentation Abies concolor Argentea Photo author Jiri Holata CZ Abies concolor Bella Published 1995 Mesterházy Zsolt in the Conifer Treasury Breeder/Found 1975 Barabits E. HUN Introduced 1991 Zwijnenburg Nurs., into HOL as Biella Description A nice conical dwarf blue selection. Some specimen exported to Holland. Photo documentation Abies concolor Bella Photo author me at Orlóci, László Abies concolor Bella Photo author me Abies concolor Globosa Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Tresury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 1905 Niemetz, Temesvár HUN, now ROM Introduced Description as to be seen Photo documentation Abies concolor Globosa Photo author me Abies concolor Globosa Photo author me Abies concolor Globosa Photo author me Abies concolor Hordó Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 2009 Mesterházy Zsolt in the cemetery of Pécs HUN Introduced 2010 Mesterházy Pinetum HUN Description A dense upright blue dick clon, grows as usual Photo documentation Abies concolor Hordó Photo author me Abies equi-trojani Akseki Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 2004 Hódi Tóth József HUN from sport of Irmasan Gecidi, 1600 m Toros Mts., TUR Introduced Arizonica Nursery, Csákvár, HUN Description A hardy, conical habited, well shaped, long needle clone. Photo documentation Abies equi-trojani Akseki Photo author me Abies equi-trojani Irmasan Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 2004 Hódi Tóth József HUN from sport of Irmasan Gecidi in Toros Mts., 1600 m, TUR Introduced Arizonica Nursery, Csákvár, HUN Description A hardy, conical habited, bright darkgreen, long needle clone. Photo documentation Abies equi-trojani Irmasan Photo author me in Arizonica Arboretum HUN Abies grandis Citromkoktél Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 1986 of seed by Mesterházy Zsolt HUN Introduced 2010 Mesterházy Pinetum, Erdõtarcsa HUN Description Light lemon-green leaved, slow growing seedling, 1,5 m in 23 years Selected for droughts, heat and hard frosts up to -30 Celsius Photo documentation Abies grandis Citromkoktél Photo author me in the Mesterházy Pinetum Abies grandis Citromkoktél Photo author author me in the Mesterházy Pinetum Abies grandis Citromkoktél Photo author author me in the Mesterházy Pinetum Abies lasiocarpa Florin Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 1998 Hódi Tóth József HUN of seed of Sheffields Seed, USA Introduced Arizonica Nursery, Csákvár, HUN Description Quite slow growing, blueish foliage, regular conical habit. White-gray bark, soft cork. Drought tolerant, needs place in a greater rock-garden. Photo documentation Abies lasiocarpa Florin Photo author me in the Arizonica Arboretum HUN Abies lasiocarpa Florin Photo author me in the Arizonica Arboretum HUN Abies nordica x - A. nordmanniana x A. pinsapo Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 2009 Hódi Tóth József HUN from sport of a garden in Budapest, HUN Introduced Arizonica Nursery, Csákvár, HUN Description A fast growing clone between two parents with gray shoots and very deep green needles, nearly around the axis, very little buds. A. nordmanniana x A. pinsapo Photo documentation Abies nordica x - A. nordmanniana x A. pinsapo Photo author me in the Arizonica Arboretum HUN Abies nordica x - A. nordmanniana x A. pinsapo Photo author me in the Arizonica Arboretum HUN Abies pinsapo Bell Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 2004 Hódi Tóth József from sport in Pesthidegkút, HUN Introduced Arizonica Nursery, Csákvár, HUN Description A regular habit with quite long, soft needles, deep green with a blueish touch", slow growing. Photo documentation Abies pinsapo Bell Photo author me in the Arizonica Arboretum HUN Abies pinsapo Névtelen Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 2004 Hódi Tóth József HUN from sport of a garden in Pesthidegkút, HUN Introduced Arizonica Nursery, Csákvár, HUN Description A regular habit with quite long needles, fast growing, insignis-like". Photo documentation Abies pinsapo Névtelen Photo author me in the Arizonica Arboretum HUN Abies pinsapo Zöldike Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 2004 Hódi Tóth József HUN from sport of a public park in Budakeszi, HUN Introduced Arizonica Nursery, Csákvár, HUN Description 1 cm long grassgreen needles, bright, green-yellow buds, growth as usual. Photo documentation Abies pinsapo Zöldike Photo author me in the Arizonica Arboretum HUN Abies pinsapo Vax Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 2004 Hódi Tóth József HUN from sport of a public park in Budakeszi, HUN Introduced Arizonica Nursery, Csákvár, HUN Description Glauca-like, however short and tight needles, slow growing. Photo documentation Abies pinsapo Vax Photo author me in the Arizonica Arboretum HUN Abies pinsapo Zrínyi Ilona Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 1983 received as a seedling by Mesterházy Zsolt HUN Introduced 2010 Mesterházy Pinetum, Erdõtarcsa HUN 2011 Tóth Gyula Nursery Gödöllõ, HUN Description A lemon shaded blue conical compact fir, 2,5 m in 23 years Photo documentation Abies pinsapo Zrínyi Ilona Photo author me Abies pinsapo Zrínyi Ilona Photo author me Abies savonlinnensis x Abies alba x Abies lasiocarpa Published 2005 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury 2.0 Breeder/Found 1991 Mesterházy wild found in Savonlinna, Finland Introduced 2010 Mesterházy Pinetum, Erdõtarcsa HUN Description A short leaved narrow, conical tree, 2 m in 18 years. Cones reminding more to Abies lasiocarpa. Photo documentation Abies savonlinnensis x Abies alba x Abies lasiocarpa Photo author me Abies savonlinnensis x Abies alba x Abies lasiocarpa Photo author me Abies savonlinnensis x Abies alba x Abies lasiocarpa Photo author me Zsolt

At last I can join this thread (gave my talk, took some vacation days!). The experience I have had in historic garden work, and most of the historic places I am familiar with, are public gardens not because of the gardens themselves so much but because of the person who originally owned the house or estate that has then been turned into a museum. Therefore, the focus is to attempt to portray a certain significant time period in that person's lifetime, and the garden therefore is supposed to reflect that. So ideally, the landscape should be brought back to look like it did during that period of time the museum is emphasizing, even if the design was relatively new and not "mature." That's the ideal. The point of restoring the garden along with everything else is to allow visitors to feel like they have stepped back in time and are seeing the grounds in much the same condition as the important historic figure would have seen it. Not the way it looked fifty years later. This is rarely done, however. Mount Vernon prides itself on having completely redone their restoration to reflect George Washington's design for the flower and vegetable gardens. However, the trees he planted around the big lawn in front are way overgrown and too big to look anything like what Washington saw there during his lifetime. Gives completely the wrong picture. But no one's going to suggest we cut down the trees George Washington planted (except me)! So there is a conflict between authenticity of material (original trees) and authenticity of look (replant to get the right size for the time period). In the case of Hillwood, Mrs. Post intended early on that the house be made into a museum to house her vast collection of Russian and French art, furniture, and porcelain. She had the gardens redesigned for the purpose of entertain groups of people, and often led tours of the gardens herself during her lifetime. When deciding to do a massive restoration of the grounds, they were faced with lots and lots of huge trees which would have made it impossible to restore the vast collections of azaleas, rhodos, camellias, and other flowering trees and shrubs that were part of the original design but were languishing under all the towering evergreens and shade trees. So. What to do? Archival photos tell the story of what the grounds looked like, and so lots of the trees have come down and been replaced by the same but smaller, to get the same look as during Mrs. Post's time. It gets controversial from time to time, of course, but there's no other course of action if you want the garden she had. As an example, there are five immense arborvitaes that dominate some shrub beds on either side of the formal lawn. They're about 30 feet tall. However, in the mid 1960s, they were about 6 feet tall and meant to be kept that size by shearing (as were most of the evergreens). The rhodos actually tower over the little sheared arborvitae in the photos. So, we're yanking out the old ones and putting in new, shorter ones that will be kept in proper scale. Drastic, but necessary. There will be fights over replacing the huge American elms, but that will eventually be done as well. As for whether the garden was at its "prime" during the mid 1960s, which is what we are trying to portray, (the design dates from about 1957) it all depends and what you like, mature shade trees or blooming borders! A logical question to ask is, what happens when the new trees outgrow their allowed size? Obviously, we'll replace them again. If this doesn't get done, then you are back to losing the totality of the design for the sake of a few trees. Saving the mature trees at an old site can then lead to a "restoration" that can never be authentic because the right plants can't survive in the altered conditions. That in turn leads to problems if a historic site has an educational mission, as most claim to do. Add the complication of donated funds with many strings attached, making interpretations say what the donors want instead, and you have a real mess. I've been there, fought that fight, and lost. That's why I'm at Hillwood instead of one of the historic sites that are practically a stone's throw from my house. Sorry this is so long. I'm having a day off to plant some new perennial beds. So out I go for more soil prep. The plants arrived yesterday from Bluestone. Fran

A. Exposed Ceilings. a. 10.5" Icynene LD-C-50 Open Cell Spray Foam(R-39) $9,200.00 OR b. 10.5" Icynene MD-C-200 Closed Spray Foam(R-60) $20,625.00 A..if equipment & ductwork are in attic. meet code requirements with foam. here in La. our code is R-30. if attic is encapsulated with foam 7" open cell meets requirements. but 7" everywhere..not up to 7" 'average' fill. this is a big thing. where insulation is less in your climate ice dams could form. B. Slope Ceiling. a. 9.25"Icynene LD-C-50 Open Cell Spray Foam(R-34) $1,850.00 OR b. 9.25"Icynene MD-C 200 Closed Spray Foam (R-53) $4400.00 A..again total fill..but how are you getting 9.25"? rafters are 2x10?? C. Overhang a. 7.25" Icynene LD-C-50 Spray Foam (R-26). $195.00 OR b. 7.25" Icynene MD-C 200 Closed Spray Foam(R-53)$660.00 why foam overhang? this would be where foam makes the roof to attic floor seal. no need to insulate overhang, unless it is a climate specific thing. D. Exterior Walls a. Certain Teed R-21 Kraft Fiberglass Insulation. $720.00 OR b. 5.5" Icynene LD-C-50 Open Spray Foam (R-20). $5,500.00 well installed conventional insulation. no gaps no voids batts split around wires, plumbing. followed up with air tight drywall approach to interior. E. Garage Walls Dividing Living. (basement level) a. Certain Teed R-21 Kraft Fiberglass Insulation. $80.00 OR b. 5.5" Icynene LD-C-50 Open Spray Foam (R-20). $600.00 don't know that I'd opt for foam here. again air tight drywall on both sides of the walls. F. Garage Ceiling. (there is a bedroom above so this makes sense) $1,550.00 a. 7.25" Icynene LD-C-50 Spray Foam. not a bad price. but if you don't foam the roofline at this area, this room will be difficult to heat & cool. one option would be the same extruded polystyrene sheathing on attic side of insulated walls. keep temps in attic from transfering into living space. tape seams, caulk to seal. G. Band Joist (In Between Joists @ Exterior Wall Pockets) a. Certain Teed R-21 Unfaced Fiberglass Insulation. $55.00 OR b. 5.5" Icynene LD-C-50 Open Cell Spray Foam(R-20). $495.00 B. band joists being well sealed even will help to keep house tight enough to cost effectively heat & cool. I'm not an advocate of foam in walls. studies show that the foam sheathing to exterior is a better savings. breaks thermal conductivity of studs, creates an air tight barrier to outside. but if you put ductwork in the attic..then having it inside a semi conditioned foam sealed attic takes care of a lot of other issues. things like oversized plumbing pentrations in the attic, oversized cuts for bath fans, supply boxes for hvac, recessed cans (just to list a few) pull attic air into the house. while trades people make lots of holes in the ceilings..they seldom seal them once they are done. other areas are thermal bypasses, fireplaces open to the attic, dropped ceilings over shower units.. moving the air & thermal barrier to the roofline instead of the attic floor makes these areas less of an issue unless you have the thermal bypass & unsealed hole police (lol)on the job, these areas are often missed. simple things like an IC recessed light instead of ICAT recessed light make a big difference. builders who have built to this higher standard of better building practices have trained crews to ensure that these areas are being addresed. without that or without someone to actually oversee the sealing of these different areas, your living space to attic have lots of areas of air communication. in a perfect world tradespeople would seal each opening. then the higher cost of foam insulation to make these building mistakes wouldn't be necessary. of course then..ducts and equipment would be inside of the space we live in..instead of stuck in attics where they work to perform in extreme temps. its too bad that the front of the house doesn't have foam sheathing & hardi on strips..but it is what it is. the goal is to build a tight house. tight enough to be affordable to live in as utility costs rise. testing the house for air leakage & ducts for ductleakage is always a good idea. if you can manage to do this during construction..when blacked in & insulated..then you can find leakage sites while trades are still there to address these areas. know that foam insulating the attic is a long payback compared to conventional insulation. in my hot humid area a 2500 sq ft house generally has a 15-18 year payback. but utility costs..when hvac is correctly sized..and not oversized, offset this long roi. if you want an unbiased agent to help with efficiency then an energy rater is a good idea. Resnet & BPI have professionals to help you decide what is affordable to you, and they work for you. not the hvac or insulator. here we only use closed cell in floors of houses with crawlspaces. I'd make sure that the open vs closed cell is correct for your climate and not just sales speak. best of luck.