The Ortho Weed B Gon Max is widely available and always be mentioned first. However, it is because the Ortho Weed B Gon Max is not very effective that when many people are fighting weeds problems. People wonder why the lawn care company can maintain the lawn well but I canâÂÂt. Do they use the same weeds killer product as we use? The answer is the Ortho Weed B Gon Max is just not the same as the lawn care company use. The lawn care company uses more effective weeds killer products.

That is correct Tiemco. When I did my lawn redo Tenacity was not yet on the market (or at least for sale to DIY'ers). Siduron still did work great in my hands but would definitely change my opinion from my original post and say go the Tenacity way (sorry that's the only product containing Mesotrione I'm familiar with). You can buy an 8oz concentrate for a bit more than the Scott's (while you're at it pick up a sticking agent such as Bonide 097) and apply separately with a hose-end sprayer or backpack sprayer and get more uniform coverage and better pre/post-M properties. And it will take care of any established crabgrass which the Siduron won't.

Hi reptile girl: Let me say that I understand your feelings of being critizied and your question ignored. I read your original post then everyone thereafter, then back to yours. I'm hoping I can help you feel less attacked and perhaps give you a better understanding of how this site works. I also had an experience of feeling attacked and I barked back, then several people jumped on me etc. This is what I hear in your original posting: you are very proud of the hard work you have put into your garden of choice, SYG. You continue to give info about your efforts to provide the best growing mixture and fertilizers that have worked for you. You were not looking for any additional information about soil structure, how you should change the way you garden, etc. you are a happy camper with what you have accomplished and should be. The one question that you asked was what organic fertilizer could you add to your garden to insure the best possible crops. Instead you got bombarded with advice, corrections, suggestions, critisims etc. These are my thoughts that I hope help you; first it is helpful to understand that the people who hang out on the Garden Web are extremely knowledgable gardening people either through university or years of experience or both. These people can help you with virtually any question or problem that you may have. Also just by reading in several different areas you will learn so much more than you can imagine. Now all these experts are great resources but just like a professor, they are quite willing to share their ideas, thoughts, tried experiments and so on. And just as professors in the same subject area, they do not all agree with each others view point or practices. Often many of the postings are the experts discussing between themselves the positive & negatives of what has been written. One thing can be said about this site, there are many generous people who are willing to share their views and that's great. What you probably should do in the future is ask your question, that's it. By putting down so much info, everyone got on board with their ideas, stuff went back and forth and you ultimately felt attacked. They really are not attacking, they are very eager to share their knowledge to be a benefit to you. If you visit again and have a concern or question, I'd suggest giving only pertainent info that would help the other readers to give you exactly what your looking for, no more, no less. Those of us who reply to a post should probably take an extra minute to understand exactly what info is needed and offer only that unless the poster comes back to ask for more info. Efforts to help all who post are truly generous with their time and talent but I can see the flip side, so much response with so much advice and/or critiques can be overwhelming to the newbies. I hate to see & read the sniping back and forth that escalates to a point where some really nasty things are said. I think that before we offer so much advice, we may need to realize that not everyone wants or needs all of the knowledge that we are so eager to share and are then offended "after all we've done" when the writer says "enough." I hope reptile girl that you can see this site in a new positive way. My one big piece of advice comes from a Russian grandma that lived next door years ago. She had several potted rose bushes that produced gorgeous roses and all she did was throw left over vegetables, fruit skins, virtually anything into a pot, covered it with water and left it heat for many hours. What was left she poured on the roses. It sure worked. Last year I had quite a science experiment in my frig. plus stuff to go out to the compost pile. I gathered it all together and decided to put some of the scraps into my blender w/some water and spin for awhile. When I was done I had two big bowls of gunk that I poured on my two Deodor cedars. Within days those trees were sprouting all kinds of new growth on all the branches and both trees became substantially fuller and taller. I thought it was hilarious. Maybe I should repeat that routine and try it diluted much more in several other areas of the garden. I may be on to something. Good luck with your crops, it is fun and rewarding when you can actually feed yourself from your own garden, plus I'm sure the nutrition levels are so much greater than the average found in stores.

I think sod might be the best way to go. Growing cool season grass from seed in Spring is problematic because it is very hard to get the grass established before the summer heat sets in. It is a delicate dance between the soil being warm enough to germinate the seed and then the seedlings growing strong enough to take the heat. If conditions are right you can pull it off, but more often you don't. The biggest key is to prevent the winter annuals like chickweed from setting seed. They do this in earnest beginning in late winter when temps begin to edge back up. Roundup will take care of them but you can also keep them at bay with a regular beatdown at the hands of a string trimmer. I wouldn't do any fertilizing during the winter as the grass is dormant and won't uptake the nutrients; you will just be feeding the winter annual weeds. You have to pick between a pre-emergent and seeding; you can't do both because the pre-emergent works at precisely the time you have to be seeding the grass. With sod, you can put it down in Spring and it will be able to take the heat much sooner and better than seedlings, provided you irrigate it properly. Otherwise, I would reseed in late summer/early fall when the seedlings have the best chance to make it.