Young Jap Maples including 2 Seedlings Advice Sought please.6 Pictures
Good day to you Maple Lovers
Here for my Latest Post are a Small Selection of Maples 4 of which I required yet again from the Bargain Basement for 99p,probably around 75 Cents....The other 2 are seedlings.
Your professional advice would be appreciated as always about the best Course of action in helping maintain them.
Hopefully I will acquire enough Knowledge soon so I can start giving out some advice myself....Its coming but I have learnt and respect it takes time....
The first 4 pictures are 2 Butterfly Maples & 2 Little Princess Maples
The Last 2 Maples are 2 Seedlings
I always worry when I see more than 1 stem coming out of the soil on a Maple Example.Would I be right to ?..Any Pruning Advice on the 4 Little Fellas would be very helpful.
The 2 Seedlings have just been put into Pots 2 days ago.I'm a little worried with the Cold weather due.I was unsure what else to do with these Babies so considered and decided on this option.We do get some severe winter weather here in the UK.Temperatures dont get too low but Rainfall can occasionally be of Biblical Proportions.Do these Seedlings need to stay in the open air or would partial shelter be advisable or even a Cold Frame ?
Once again I would like to thank all the Gardenweb Community who have been Patient helped me with my Enquiries over my Japanese Maple Enquiries
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7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoRelated Discussions
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Comments (29)Thanks Spruce. I've been known to hold plants so as to try and match up with a rain. I've also taken the step of having the forester order up an inch of rain per week and moderate temperatures for next year! This whole thing represents a departure for me-from my first plantings there in which I would hand-dig holes, mulch with woodchips and yes, even do some initial watering as best I could. I also used to trim around my trees and spray glyphosate rings. The trend has been away from all of that finally arriving at this machine-plant operation I've got lined up. Forester is not the guy I originally worked with, that guy retired, and this one was much less willing to reimburse me for my cadillac methods. Initially, I was peeved. I'd expected, and documented work hours to the tune of something like $1500 that year of transition. His offering was something like $150! But once we met up there and got talking, I decided his ideas had merit. Among them, the machine, which he says will do a really good job and a tighter stocking rate than I'd been doing, to allow for losses. Obviously, mulching will too be out of the question. When I began, that planting area was alfalfa. He said that a corn crop in the prior year would in effect give one year of free weed control, so when my farmer guy wanted to do corn, I said sure. He's into Roundup Ready which I do realize there is considerable legitimate question about, but I do think in the case of this planting, it too should be helpful. And while that area is at the very north limit of meaningful agriculture in this state, it is interesting to note that the corn up there did great, my field included, unlike the major growing areas further south. He's also big on an over the top herbicide spraying in year two, which I will also look into. There's guys that contract work like that out. I don't recall the chemical off the top of my head but I've got it here somewhere. All in all, this is a much bigger scale planting method. But for what I'm trying to accomplish, it sounds good. +oM...See MoreJap Maple- Must I prune or can I leave it alone
Comments (24)I see that censorship is alive and well on the Gardenweb. I've seen a lot of Japanese maples in my life and I've seen many with multiple branches low on the trunk but never one that has several trunks coming out of the ground like in the photos that Dave posted. It truly does look like a shrub. That look is not my cup of tea for a Japanese maple. If I want something that looks like a lilic then I'll go buy the lilac. IMHO, the Burgandy Lace was not pruned properly when it was younger although that it strictly from a viewpoint of aesthetics and not structural abnormalities. Looking at it's branching structure, I don't see any branches that resemble the acute angle on the maple in this thread. I still maintain that the latter needs a pruning job to correct for a structural defect. A tree that gets this large is going to act like a sail. Consequently, the wind is going to get leverage on any tall trunks that branch low on the tree. I am not saying that a Japanese maple needs to be pruned to look like an oak tree or any other really large tree. What I am saying is that sound pruning practices are applicable for any plants above a certain size. It is irresponsible and amateurish to suggest otherwise. It is also hypocritical to suggest this for some trees but not others not to mention confusing for anyone new to the Gardenweb. I must respond to one of the deleted posts. Basically, it was stated that this tree will not recover and fill out from pruning off the second leader. K4 hit the nail on the head in his response which was that the tree will throw out a lot of new growth next year after this leader is pruned off. This new growth will provide plenty of opportunity to shape the tree into a far better look than it has now. Without question, the tree will quickly fill out and I question the practical experience of anyone who states otherwise....See MoreRe-potting Japanese Maple - Looking for Advice
Comments (20)First, I doubt you have a Bloodgood - the leaves are far too small/lobes too narrow, even on a young tree, for that cultivar. There are a lot JM's being sold as Bloodgood that are just seedling trees. That could account for the leaf aberration as well as the coloring. Bloogood is a very deep wine red color, although it can bronze up or lose some of its redness in full sun in hotter climates. But it should never have distinctly green leaves like what is showing in your photo. And no, it will not produce any more new leaves now. It is fall and the tree will be entering dormancy soon and dropping what remaining leaves it has. I hope you didn't pay much for it :-) It is in bad shape, suffered some serious drought stress and looks like it has some tip dieback as a result.....not to mention a good likelihood of labeling issues. Just get it planted and hope for the best in spring. btw, if you have more questions, it is advisable to start your own thread rather than tacking on to an old, stale one. And there is forum dedicated specifically to maples as well that will give you very precise JM advice....See Moreprivatejapanesemaplesanctuary
7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoHi Gardengal.
Here are the additional photographs you require so you can ascertain the Young Treelets easier.Removed from Pots and washed off Root Systems.With regards to you mentioning about the Garage or Shed Storage will they be alright constantly in those locations during the Winter months without exposure to the outside elements.(Say 1st Oct through to the end of February).Both the Garage and the Shed have adequate Light Shining in.Will the seedlings that were mentioned on the original Comment need any slight watering or support whilst under cover during the Winter months.Also will the Seedlings need to covered at all in the Shed/Garage or will they be ok left exposed as in the earlier photographs of this post
Thank you
Stephen,Cheshire.UK
privatejapanesemaplesanctuary
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houzi
7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoHi Garden gal,I know what you mean,apart from generic green&red seedlings,I have no luck striking cuttings,though I've not really tried too hard ha.
Interestingly,I've seldom seen the maples considered to be easy(eg Bloodgood)coming in from Holland,many of them are more delicate...infact AP 'Taylor' and 'Marlo' I used to only see in clonal form.
What's their secret?....well the only way most amateur gardeners can obtain the humidity required for success is by putting them in an enclosed space,probably with added heat.Trouble is this tends to encourage fungis.The Holland grow houses are vast and they usually don't just grow maples.They have overhead misting systems a bit like fire sprinklers only finer.This enables them to just apply a little moisture whenever required,probably on a timer for a very short duration.Some of these buildings are several football pitches in size so there is plenty of fresh air in there,not stagnant and hence no fungi....I think that's the secret but could be more?
I do know some people who have kept these going and are very pleased with them.I've only got one left now,a rarely seen 'Seiryu' but they can be difficult when young.Interestingly just this year I've seen larger 6ft clonal maples arriving here,must have a few years under their belt.Hopefully there's a photo of some Orange Dreams and Katsuras below,on their own roots.They weren't cheap but the fresh green stems down to the soil did look nice and they were very full and healthy looking.
Some people who've been into maples since way back before they became popular,say that in Japan they consider them to be much tougher on their own roots and far outlive their grafted counterparts.Also some cultivars are a lot more stable,less likely to revert.
I think we could be missing out on a lot regarding these plants,but it can take a lot of patience and time to achieve success.
privatejapanesemaplesanctuary
7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoHouzi
Thx yet again for the message
I'm still struggling a little with the timing to Launch the Seed Planting
I do want to Maximise the Chances of some success in the Seeds taking.Hopefully I will have a 1000 Acres worth of "BLOODGOOD" Maple Trees....Only Kidding,aiming for 999.
Well i'm armed with "BLOODGOOD" seeds purchased off the Bay,(see below) a Bag of potting compost and the Perlite...
Been told to let them soak for 24 hours prior to planting into the cells which i'm ready to do.
Will this be the ideal time to do them or do I need to wait longer.(5th September)
You mentioned about waiting longer for the Churchyard Maple Seeds.Do the best and Freshest seeds coincide with the shedding of the trees Leaves.The Green Leafed Maple in the Churchyard looks around 60 years old
houzi
7 years agoWell there's no urgency to put them out right this minute,you can if you like,as long as they're out there come autumn.
Yes,the best&freshest seeds will drop off the tree with the leaves in autumn.Some people choose to pluck them off the tree a bit prior to this for convenience.When the wings start turning brown,they know they are ready.It'll be a few more weeks here before they are ripe.Here's a few of this year's Bloodgood seedlings.As you can see,none of them really resemble the parent at this stage....and perhaps they never will :)
privatejapanesemaplesanctuary
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7 years agogardenprincethenetherlandsZ7/8
7 years agoI'm from The Netherlands and live about 20 miles from van Son & Koot. They are one of the leading Japanese maple propagators over here. An innovative company with a good reputation. It propagates many of its Japanese maples through cuttings as this is much cheaper than grafting (labour is expensive over here). How they exactly propagate JM from cuttings I do not know but my guess is that a misting system, additional bottom heat and a rooting hormone are required.
I've seen Acer palmatum Atropurpureum, Katsura and Wilson's Pink Dwarf from cuttings and they do very well. In one season they grew from 1 foot to 3 to 4 feet with very good branching.
Propagation of Japanese Maples Through Seed-- collect fresh seed in the fall as samara's go from green to brown
-- I prefer sowing JM outside for natural stratification and not via the artificial method (putting seeds with slightly moist sowing compost in a zip lock bag in the fridge) as I experienced seeds germinating in January/February in the zip lock bag in the fridge and having trouble growing them on.
-- cover the sowing with grit to prevent weeds and mosses like liverwort. Cover the pot with chicken wire or something like it to prevent animals or birds from having a go at your seeds (mice like JM seeds).
-- Put outside in a somewhat protected spot but where the weather elements can reach it (probably incorrect English but I hope you understand what I mean!)
-- Just wait.
-- More waiting ...
-- In (early) spring with rising temperatures a big amounts of the seeds will germinate. Don't expect that all the seeds will germinate because this does not happen in nature either. Some seeds will germinate in the second year after sowing. If you got 'old' seeds (i.e. not from the current season) more seeds will germinate in their second year than in the first year (but you can be lucky of course)
This is one I did earlier:
Japanese maple seeds that started to germinate in the zip lock bag in the fridge:
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gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)